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  • Broncoyearound
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    Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
    Russell Wilson is soooo amazing. I was thinking the same thing. Furthermore, I kept thinking why oh why didn’t we hire Kyle Shanahan instead of Fangio. Don’t get it.

    It’s definitely time for Elway to go. So many head scratching moves resulting in a 3 win losing season.
    Well at least Elway isn't completely clueless however that only stirs a pot that whoever's blocked it and if it was Ellis that dud it maybe a whole house cleaning is in order.

    Successful franchises have great FO exec's that's on the same accord and work in tandem with each other. If we are having differences in opinions and confusion itll only trinkle down. I don't want to sound like I'm complaining but...man it's tough seeing the sharp decline.

    We didn't just slowly collapse a bit at a time we fell off a cliff very quickly. Whether it was the miss on the Qb or my personal reason...the draft picks we had missing on 1st round picks. Ray, Bolles, Lynch and some second round picks. All that comes back on ya at some point.

    Sad because we were in a perfect scenario to transition from Manning to the new successor which we are still looking for him. I'm not sold on Lock but he deserves the right to have his fair shot. I will say if it's bad... I don't see how even the loyalists to Elway can defend him.

    Unfortunate on the coaching hire though whoever made that decision and blocked Elway needs to go when he does. Kyle and Wilson could have been so dangerous for us man haha. The what ifs of the world.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Well at the time it would make sense to get a QB with a similar skill set to Manning so you don’t get stuck installing a completely different offense mid season if Manning hadn’t worked out.

    And we probably would have rectified that mistake with Prescott had he not missed his flight for his interview with us or got the DUI right before the draft. Which also probably means we would’ve drafted a different player in the first over Lynch as Dak was being talked about as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So I don’t see how someone could look at Wilson and say he doesn’t fit the mold of a NFL QB but at the same time thinks that Dak does despite Wilson having much better tape coming out. Unless of course height is that big of an assessment
    It was all height, they (31 other NFL teams) thought he was too short. However when a QB is that short, it may be a good idea to look at his hand size, Wilson has some very broad hands. Lock actually has smaller hands for his size!

    I heard Kubiak was enarmored with Prescott and I don’t believe that a missed flight would have made so much of a difference because all we has to do is fly to him or reschedule his flight. Anyway Kubiak was out voted and well we all know what happened after that.

    I know a lot of folks like to say that Gary Kubiak drafted Paxton lynch however if Paxton Lynch was originally Gary Kubiak’s guy, then why did Lynch not play in the final 2016 game against the Oakland Raiders? I mean if he was Kubiak guy, the head coach would’ve been anxious to get him on the field wouldn’t he?

    The same thing could be said for Drew lock and Vic Fangio. If Drew lock was Vic Fangios guy, why then is he still on IR and why hasn’t Fangios rushed him back to practice to develope him?
    Last edited by Sam_Z; 11-12-2019, 09:24 PM.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I heard a segment about two weeks ago were Sandy Clough had interviewed Jack Del Rio.

    Even though Del Rio was on defense, he stated that the Broncos scouting department ran by Brian Xander’s at the time thoroughly went through Russell Wilson’s collegiate performance and that they really like him.

    However they were shot down because they already had “an unknown Peyton Manning after multiple neck surgeries” but more than that, he stated that someone in the Broncos front office didn’t like Russell because he just didn’t the mold of an NFL QB.

    Yes that a front office person didn’t feel that Wilson was tall enough. Hmmm I’m wondering who the heck he could’ve been talking about.

    Also at that time and nobody knew how Peyton Manning was going to perform after the neck surgeries and they went and drafted an heir anyway so I don’t buy this bologna about having PFM and that is why they didn’t draft Wilson.
    I think that was pretty much how everyone felt about Wilson hence 5 Qbs being drafted before him.

    If the NFL had the ability to measure heart and coolness under pressure Qbs like Wilson would never get out of the 1st round.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I heard a segment about two weeks ago were Sandy Clough had interviewed Jack Del Rio.

    Even though Del Rio was on defense, he stated that the Broncos scouting department ran by Brian Xander’s at the time thoroughly went through Russell Wilson’s collegiate performance and that they really like him.

    However they were shot down because they already had an unknown Peyton Manning after multiple neck surgeries but more than that, he stated that someone in the Broncos front office didn’t like Russell because he just didn’t for the mold of an NFL QB.

    Yes that a full person didn’t feel that Wilson yes that a full person didn’t feel that Wilson. Anna was tall enough but I’m wondering who the heck he could’ve been talking about.

    Also at that time and nobody knew how Peyton Manning was going to perform after the neck surgeries and they went and drafted an heir anyway so I don’t buy this bologna about having PFM and that is why they didn’t draft Wilson.
    Well at the time it would make sense to get a QB with a similar skill set to Manning so you don’t get stuck installing a completely different offense mid season if Manning hadn’t worked out.

    And we probably would have rectified that mistake with Prescott had he not missed his flight for his interview with us or got the DUI right before the draft. Which also probably means we would’ve drafted a different player in the first over Lynch as Dak was being talked about as a 2nd or 3rd round pick. So I don’t see how someone could look at Wilson and say he doesn’t fit the mold of a NFL QB but at the same time thinks that Dak does despite Wilson having much better tape coming out. Unless of course height is that big of an assessment

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post
    This is a total 20/20 hindsight judgement. Russell was a 3rd round pick, a diamond in the rough, much like Tom Brady in the 6th. Every team in the league passed on these guys multiple times.
    I heard a segment about two weeks ago were Sandy Clough had interviewed Jack Del Rio.

    Even though Del Rio was on defense, he stated that the Broncos scouting department ran by Brian Xander’s at the time thoroughly went through Russell Wilson’s collegiate performance and that they really like him.

    However they were shot down because they already had “an unknown Peyton Manning after multiple neck surgeries” but more than that, he stated that someone in the Broncos front office didn’t like Russell because he just didn’t the mold of an NFL QB.

    Yes that a front office person didn’t feel that Wilson was tall enough. Hmmm I’m wondering who the heck he could’ve been talking about.

    Also at that time and nobody knew how Peyton Manning was going to perform after the neck surgeries and they went and drafted an heir anyway so I don’t buy this bologna about having PFM and that is why they didn’t draft Wilson.
    Last edited by Sam_Z; 11-12-2019, 11:50 AM.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    Who the hell is Adam Gase to be laughing?

    Kubiak originally wanted Joseph to be the DC. They went with Wade Phillips because Cincinnati wouldn’t let Joseph go.
    I can’t answer that question all I can tell you is that it happened.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    Who the hell is Adam Gase to be laughing?

    Kubiak originally wanted Joseph to be the DC. They went with Wade Phillips because Cincinnati wouldn’t let Joseph go.
    Right. Vance Joseph had coached under Kubiak in Houston, and Gary wanted him as DC in 2015, but Cincy wouldn't allow it. I think Wade Phillips had been out of football for a year and had been Gary Kubiak's DC before, so he was available.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by Broncoyearound View Post
    Every time I watch Wilson play it brings a tear to my eye. This is one of another reason of the long list of reasons why Elway should be resigned. Wilson should have been our Qb but who did we choose while Wilson was on the clock?

    Hm Osweiler I think....heck he was even dismissed by the browns he was so awful...oh wah wah I'm Living in the past. Yup I still think of the Lynch Prescott...Elway needs to go I loved him as a qb but as a gm he is mediocre. He had a good run early on but by all means the Qb he misses on is just mindblowing.

    Back to my Wilson argument he had all the tools to run what we did successfully but Elway passed on him...for Os...I forget who the poster was back then that knew before Wilson was drafted that said he'd be special and hey that poster was right.

    Russ is clutch and he's a multi threat can beat you with his legs or arm. He has a lot of game winning drives one of which was against us when we had Manning. Guys a baller I just don't see how Elway passed on this guy knowing he needed a Qb he had to have looked at the tape between the two...oh well Russ would have been great for us.


    That was some game tonight...once Lock stinks up the field because I don't have faith in Elway drafted QBs and Lock is yet another project I don't want Elway around for the next eventual Qb successor. I say Lock will last until next season due to the limited sample size he may get this year but once the writing is on the wall and if Elway is still the gm I fully expect the pitch forks to be out. They should be out right now but that would cement that scenario in my opinion.
    This is a total 20/20 hindsight judgement. Russell was a 3rd round pick, a diamond in the rough, much like Tom Brady in the 6th. Every team in the league passed on these guys multiple times.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    Who the hell is Adam Gase to be laughing?

    Kubiak originally wanted Joseph to be the DC. They went with Wade Phillips because Cincinnati wouldn’t let Joseph go.
    They went with Wade Phillips because that's who Kubiak wanted and that was his DC in Houston. The prime mover behind the VJ deal was Matt Russell.

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  • Mel B.
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I heard the fact that Matt Russell was a college buddy of Vance Joseph was the true reason he was hired.
    In fact Elway wanted to hire him back in 2015 when Cincinnati refused the interview.

    Also heard that Adam Gase and the dolphins laughed their butts off when VJ was hired in 2017.

    Yeah I remember when Elway wanted his man-crush to be our DC. Cincy saved us temporarily but they both eventually found their way back to each other.

    Gase was gleefully thanking Elway for taking his (Gase) bad decision of hiring VJ as his DC and making an even bad-er decision of hiring VJ as his (Elway) HC.

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  • Mel B.
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    Originally posted by broncoslover115 View Post
    Oh that's right, it was Vance Joseph and not Fangio. That makes it even worse. lol
    LOL!!!

    I don't blame you for forgetting about that person at all.

    But it is depressing seeing the 9ers play knowing that we should be in year 3 of the Baby Shanny era rather than digging out from 2 years of the VJ 'error'.
    Last edited by Mel B.; 11-12-2019, 08:45 AM.

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  • broncolee
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    Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I heard the fact that Matt Russell was a college buddy of Vance Joseph was the true reason he was hired.
    In fact Elway wanted to hire him back in 2015 when Cincinnati refused the interview.

    Also heard that Adam Gase and the dolphins laughed their butts off when VJ was hired in 2017.
    Who the hell is Adam Gase to be laughing?

    Kubiak originally wanted Joseph to be the DC. They went with Wade Phillips because Cincinnati wouldn’t let Joseph go.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Mel B. View Post
    You mean instead of Vance Joseph.

    But yeah...every time I watch the 49ers offense I just shake my head with a slight tear in my eye knowing that should've been our HC and our offense had Elway hired Baby Shanny instead of his man-crush.

    It's been talked about on here (see page 50) that Elway actually wanted to hire Baby Shanny but "The Board" (people above Elway) blocked it.
    I heard the fact that Matt Russell was a college buddy of Vance Joseph was the true reason he was hired.
    In fact Elway wanted to hire him back in 2015 when Cincinnati refused the interview.

    Also heard that Adam Gase and the dolphins laughed their butts off when VJ was hired in 2017.

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  • broncoslover115
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    At the end of last season, Kyle Shanahan was HC of the Niners. Was he interviewing for other HC jobs at that time? The finalists for Denver's HC after Vance Joseph was fired were Vic Fangio and Mike Munchak IIRC. Was Kyle even available then?
    Yup, made a mistake that we hired VJ and not Kyle, not during the Fangio hire.

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  • broncoslover115
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    Originally posted by Mel B. View Post
    You mean instead of Vance Joseph.

    But yeah...every time I watch the 49ers offense I just shake my head with a slight tear in my eye knowing that should've been our HC and our offense had Elway hired Baby Shanny instead of his man-crush.

    It's been talked about on here (see page 50) that Elway actually wanted to hire Baby Shanny but "The Board" (people above Elway) blocked it.
    Oh that's right, it was Vance Joseph and not Fangio. That makes it even worse. lol

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