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  • OrangeCrush_304
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    Wish they would have got Calais Campbell and just paid him matching Jags offer. That interior pressure with Von on the edge would have been a huge duo. Instead now we’re stuck with no interior pressure and 0 sacks for Von and Chubb.

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  • arapaho
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    we get our best run stuffer back and start stopping those little 3-5 yard chunk runs up the gut then we put the defense in better 3rd down positions

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Once the season is over I think everything should be on the table. Does not mean any particular trigger is pulled but everything should be on the table.

    This thread makes it obvious some have been waiting since 2018 season to jump all over Von Miller but the fact that no one on the defense is making big plays should also say something.
    I would disagree no one on the defense has made a big play. Saying no one else has made big plays isn’t a good defense of Von. Shouldn’t the player some fans believe is still elite make big plays? Maybe one big play in two games?

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  • jazzy22jeff
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Once the season is over I think everything should be on the table. Does not mean any particular trigger is pulled but everything should be on the table.

    This thread makes it obvious some have been waiting since 2018 season to jump all over Von Miller but the fact that no one on the defense is making big plays should also say something.
    That is my point, but I think I stated it poorly. I think it's the coaching staff and new scheme, not Von. Von has been a stud, and has always been a stud, even without any help in some years. When you are as good as he is, you just don't all of a sudden fade away. Like other posts have stated, they need to move him around to keep the opponents off guard. Whatever the solution, I think this new coaching staff, especially Fangio, is killing Von and others, not Von's skills depleting. If it came down to Fangio going, or Von going, I hope they are smart and part ways with the person who has yet to prove his worth.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Once the season is over I think everything should be on the table. Does not mean any particular trigger is pulled but everything should be on the table.

    This thread makes it obvious some have been waiting since 2018 season to jump all over Von Miller but the fact that no one on the defense is making big plays should also say something.
    As much as it pains me to say it, but I’m not entirely sure he’ll be on the roster next season.

    If they’re going to do something with Von, I guess I’d rather they do it before the season ends so he’d at least have the opportunity to land with a winning franchise and possibly make another super bowl appearance.

    However it’d have to be with a coach that is going to utilize his talents and not have him dropping into coverage.

    That’s if the Broncos season continues to go down hill and only if!

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by jazzy22jeff View Post
    Zero sacks and Zero interceptions after two weeks. Miller and Chubb have 16 tackles and ZERO sacks combined. So what has changed? Pretty much the same D as last year. New coaching staff and new head coach. And that's where I place the blame. Fangio is suppose to be this "Defensive guru" and I think he and his staff have made it worse. They don't use Von effectively and they make no adjustments. They have left Yaidom in despite him being burnt more than toast. They cant seem to find a way to get any pressure on the QB. Trubisky would have folded (like he did in week 1) with any type of pressure. Fangio is in over his head and is showing he might not be a qualified HC. The coming weeks will be a good test (GB, SD, and KC coming up). If I see no improvement, I would not wait to clean house.
    Once the season is over I think everything should be on the table. Does not mean any particular trigger is pulled but everything should be on the table.

    This thread makes it obvious some have been waiting since 2018 season to jump all over Von Miller but the fact that no one on the defense is making big plays should also say something.

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  • jazzy22jeff
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    Zero sacks and Zero interceptions after two weeks. Miller and Chubb have 16 tackles and ZERO sacks combined. So what has changed? Pretty much the same D as last year. New coaching staff and new head coach. And that's where I place the blame. Fangio is suppose to be this "Defensive guru" and I think he and his staff have made it worse. They don't use Von effectively and they make no adjustments. They have left Yaidom in despite him being burnt more than toast. They cant seem to find a way to get any pressure on the QB. Trubisky would have folded (like he did in week 1) with any type of pressure. Fangio is in over his head and is showing he might not be a qualified HC. The coming weeks will be a good test (GB, SD, and KC coming up). If I see no improvement, I would not wait to clean house.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by FlaccoTruther View Post
    I don't know if it's the CB's or the coaching staff but to me it looks like the CS is coaching scared. They aren't giving up a ton of points but they also aren't creating the kind of gamechanging plays by not pressuring
    We are missing the big plays (no sacks and no Ints) but we are currently in the league leaders in passing yards per game (4th) and passing TDs allowed (2 teams allowed less)

    Considering we have a new coaching staff and injured defensive backfield I may wait before going off the deep end about this. In fact I personally would give the coaching staff a full season before going too crazy about anything.

    I know we 0-2 but we just spent the last two years drafting top 10 and top 5. It was not going to be a quick turn around if we have our heads in reality.
    Last edited by Hadez; 09-20-2019, 06:09 AM.

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  • listopencil
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Because we have one good corner on the field. Our players can’t get to the quarterback if someone is always open 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. It should chance when Callahan gets on the field, but until then it’s gonna be tough to stop anyone
    I wasn't able to watch either of the first two games live. After the results of each, I haven't gone back to watch the replays either. So take this with a grain of salt but so far it seems to me that we are playing both Chubb and Miller as DE's in a four man front a lot. It keeps catching my eye on play after play. Is this accurate or have I just not seen enough plays to get a balanced viewpoint?

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  • FlaccoTruther
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Because we have one good corner on the field. Our players can’t get to the quarterback if someone is always open 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. It should chance when Callahan gets on the field, but until then it’s gonna be tough to stop anyone
    Well it seems strange to me because the strength of defense is the pass rush. In many cases they aren't even being given the opportunity to rush the QB.

    I don't think I've ever seen Von drop into coverage so much

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Because we have one good corner on the field. Our players can’t get to the quarterback if someone is always open 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. It should chance when Callahan gets on the field, but until then it’s gonna be tough to stop anyone
    While Callahan is out and Yiadom is struggling I think the obvious would be to just slide Jackson to CB opposite Harris and let Will Parks play S. Jackson has played CB for years and is a physical press corner that can disrupt the quick passing game which has been killing us. Even Yiadom is more of a press coverage CB, I just don’t understand why he’s being asked to play so far off the WR, if you’re that worried about him getting beat deep go with a 2 high safety look it isn’t like we’re blitzing a lot anyway. It’s like we’re just playing Cover 6 every play and hoping for the best.

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by FlaccoTruther View Post
    I don't know if it's the CB's or the coaching staff but to me it looks like the CS is coaching scared. They aren't giving up a ton of points but they also aren't creating the kind of gamechanging plays by not pressuring
    Because we have one good corner on the field. Our players can’t get to the quarterback if someone is always open 2 seconds after the ball is snapped. It should chance when Callahan gets on the field, but until then it’s gonna be tough to stop anyone

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  • FlaccoTruther
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    I don't know if it's the CB's or the coaching staff but to me it looks like the CS is coaching scared. They aren't giving up a ton of points but they also aren't creating the kind of gamechanging plays by not pressuring

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post
    You need talent to run a good scheme, period. When you have the likes of Josey Jewell, Corey Nelson, Justin Simmons, Isaac Yiadom, and Derek Wolfe as feature players on you defense, you are not going to be able to be too dynamic in what you do. At some point these players need to make some plays. Von Miller, Bradley Chubb, Chris Harris, these highly paid highly touted defenders need to just make something happen. Last year everyone was angry that our coaches were running stunts constantly along the defensive line and trying to scheme their way to sacks, but maybe that was because our guys just weren't making the plays themselves. Our pass rush from the inside to the outside has been poor, and we don't have the elite back end players to account for that.
    i have still been wanting to see more walker and Jones, but Jones has been a game day inactive. we defintelly don't have any one that can play the akeem hicks role from his bears defense.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by ArchAngel View Post
    Apparantly, Vic Fangio is highly over rated as a defensive "guru". So far, all I've seen is vanilla defense, not the "disruptive" type that we had all expected. Or, maybe the Broncos talent level just doesnt fit his scheme.
    You need talent to run a good scheme, period. When you have the likes of Josey Jewell, Corey Nelson, Justin Simmons, Isaac Yiadom, and Derek Wolfe as feature players on you defense, you are not going to be able to be too dynamic in what you do. At some point these players need to make some plays. Von Miller, Bradley Chubb, Chris Harris, these highly paid highly touted defenders need to just make something happen. Last year everyone was angry that our coaches were running stunts constantly along the defensive line and trying to scheme their way to sacks, but maybe that was because our guys just weren't making the plays themselves. Our pass rush from the inside to the outside has been poor, and we don't have the elite back end players to account for that.

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