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  • #46
    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    our players wouldn't have 9 sacks on theirs........
    come on man...Chubb or von are heads and tails better than shaq,

    shaq is in a system that he is excelling in ...von and chubb isnt
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    • #47
      Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
      I have to wonder if the amount of cut blocks he’s been taking had anything to do with this. Chubb and Miller have had linemen coming at their knees an egregious amount so far this season
      see him getting cut every game
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      • #48
        Originally posted by arapaho View Post
        come on man...Chubb or von are heads and tails better than shaq,

        shaq is in a system that he is excelling in ...von and chubb isnt
        if Shaq was on our team and he had 9 sacks everyone would be saying DPOY!!! Give credit where it is due. Has Von ever had a streak of 9 sacks over 4 games? For that matter who many guys have you ever heard of with 9 sacks over 4 games?

        I'm not saying one is better than another but according to this production wouldn't it have been better to have kept Barrett and drafted someone else instead of Chubb? We could have had Nelson AND Barrett or Bush/Barrett.....instead we just have Chubb.
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        • #49
          Imagine if we had re-signed Barrett.
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          • #50
            Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
            if Shaq was on our team and he had 9 sacks everyone would be saying DPOY!!! Give credit where it is due. Has Von ever had a streak of 9 sacks over 4 games? For that matter who many guys have you ever heard of with 9 sacks over 4 games?
            Von had 8 over the course of 4 games in 2012. I think what was more impressive were his 6 sacks over the course 4 games in 2015, with 5 of those 6 occurring in playoff games.

            Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
            For that matter who many guys have you ever heard of with 9 sacks over 4 games?
            There's probably a few. In recent years, Aaron Donald had 8.5 over 4 games last season, Khalil Mack had 10 over 4 games in 2015, and Aldon Smith had 11 over 4 games in 2012.

            History aside, Shaq Barrett looks to be an early frontrunner for DPOY if he can keep it up.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Bootleg View Post
              Von had 8 over the course of 4 games in 2012. I think what was more impressive were his 6 sacks over the course 4 games in 2015, with 5 of those 6 occurring in playoff games.



              There's probably a few. In recent years, Aaron Donald had 8.5 over 4 games last season, Khalil Mack had 10 over 4 games in 2015, and Aldon Smith had 11 over 4 games in 2012.

              History aside, Shaq Barrett looks to be an early frontrunner for DPOY if he can keep it up.
              that's a pretty good list
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              • #52
                Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                if Shaq was on our team and he had 9 sacks everyone would be saying DPOY!!! Give credit where it is due. Has Von ever had a streak of 9 sacks over 4 games? For that matter who many guys have you ever heard of with 9 sacks over 4 games?

                I'm not saying one is better than another but according to this production wouldn't it have been better to have kept Barrett and drafted someone else instead of Chubb? We could have had Nelson AND Barrett or Bush/Barrett.....instead we just have Chubb.
                Good on Shaq for getting 9 sacks in 4 games, but with 14 sacks in the 4 seasons prior who would’ve thought he’d put these numbers up? Even the Bucs only gave him a 1 year deal for 4 mil which is backup level money for a pass rusher. The real difference is in how teams play us vs how they play the Bucs. Barrett couldn’t replicate those numbers here because teams make a concerted effort to slow down our pass rush. We’ll see if Barrett keeps this up now that he’s established himself as a legitimate pass rushing threat.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                  Good on Shaq for getting 9 sacks in 4 games, but with 14 sacks in the 4 seasons prior who would’ve thought he’d put these numbers up? Even the Bucs only gave him a 1 year deal for 4 mil which is backup level money for a pass rusher. The real difference is in how teams play us vs how they play the Bucs. Barrett couldn’t replicate those numbers here because teams make a concerted effort to slow down our pass rush. We’ll see if Barrett keeps this up now that he’s established himself as a legitimate pass rushing threat.
                  I never would have guessed he would put up those numbers and he won't keep it up but I always thought he was a solid, all around player. He was well worth keeping at a cheap rate and I thought he would have been a solid starter for us.

                  It isn't just his sack numbers this year either. He has 2 passes defensed, 1 INT, and 3 forced fumbles.

                  That's part of the reason I question the team building philosophy of the FO. They develop these guys for 4 or 5 years and then let them walk where they excel for other teams and we never get the continuity at positions like OLB and let other positions stagnate such as NT and OG.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                    Good on Shaq for getting 9 sacks in 4 games, but with 14 sacks in the 4 seasons prior who would’ve thought he’d put these numbers up? Even the Bucs only gave him a 1 year deal for 4 mil which is backup level money for a pass rusher. The real difference is in how teams play us vs how they play the Bucs. Barrett couldn’t replicate those numbers here because teams make a concerted effort to slow down our pass rush. We’ll see if Barrett keeps this up now that he’s established himself as a legitimate pass rushing threat.
                    I agree and i would add outside of Denver fans, who actually heard of Barrett? he is the beneficiary of being an unknown talent. No one was game planning for him. now that he has shown his talent on the east coast where he is more visible and not in the shadow of miller, he will start getting more attention. Then we will see how good he can be when he is the focus of a game plan.
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by dipablo View Post
                      I agree and i would add outside of Denver fans, who actually heard of Barrett? he is the beneficiary of being an unknown talent. No one was game planning for him. now that he has shown his talent on the east coast where he is more visible and not in the shadow of miller, he will start getting more attention. Then we will see how good he can be when he is the focus of a game plan.
                      That's pretty weak. Barrett is lighting it up this season and so many are making excuses and trying to explain extenuating circumstances for his success. Maybe he won't keep it up but he is having a fantastic season so far.

                      Last season Miller had 14.5 sacks, 4 passes defended, no INTs and 4 forced fumbles. Chubb had 12.5 sacks, no passes defensed, no INT and 2 FF yet everyone was raving about him. In 4 games Barrett is only 5 sacks, 2 passes defensed, and 1 forced fumble behind Millers entire season and only 3 sacks away from blowing Chubb's season out of the water and you are saying it's all due to not being game planned against??? No one is even close to him in production this season at a similar position and every team in the league is saying they blew it and should have signed him when he was cheap.
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                      • #56
                        I am happy for Shaq however if he was still here there is no way that he would be producing like that. What helps Shaq in Tampa Bay is they have a True DL named Suh who crashes the Middle every time leaving it open for Shaq if Denver had a guy like Malik Jackson or Suh Von Miller will be feasting. That is the Truth !

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by dipablo View Post
                          I agree and i would add outside of Denver fans, who actually heard of Barrett? he is the beneficiary of being an unknown talent. No one was game planning for him. now that he has shown his talent on the east coast where he is more visible and not in the shadow of miller, he will start getting more attention. Then we will see how good he can be when he is the focus of a game plan.


                          well....Shaq is up to 15 sacks, still leading the league, and also is now up to 3 PD and 6 FF (also #1 in the league.
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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
                            well....Shaq is up to 15 sacks, still leading the league, and also is now up to 3 PD and 6 FF (also #1 in the league.
                            Which is fine and it sucks we lost him but it has nothing to do with Chubb. You have no clue where Chubb would be at this point in the season if healthy.

                            I think the defense has gotten progressively better learning Fangios scheme which could have helped Chubb. I think it’s more fair to say we should’ve kept Barrett over Von. Von hasnt done squat this year. Less sacks than Wolfe has.
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                            • #59
                              Whatever Barrett is doing for the Bucs is irrelevant to his time with the Broncos. He never produced at this pace in Denver when he had his opportunities. Started 9 games in 2017, played in all 16, only 4.0 sacks. That's why the Broncos drafted Chubb. Von Miller was a one-man army when Barrett had his chance in Denver. It's not Elway's fault that Barrett only had a breakout season after he signed with another team.
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by -Rod- View Post
                                Whatever Barrett is doing for the Bucs is irrelevant to his time with the Broncos. He never produced at this pace in Denver when he had his opportunities. Started 9 games in 2017, played in all 16, only 4.0 sacks. That's why the Broncos drafted Chubb. Von Miller was a one-man army when Barrett had his chance in Denver. It's not Elway's fault that Barrett only had a breakout season after he signed with another team.
                                Whose fault is it that they didn't see his potential then? I saw it. Many others here did too. Maybe not to this extent but we saw that he had the potential to be a very solid player. I said at the end of last season that I didn't think Chubb was much better than Barrett, if any better.
                                Last edited by broncos SB2010; 12-10-2019, 08:29 PM.
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