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  • Originally posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Not sure if we get that chance, Elway seems to love aging quarterbacks. In fact he loves them so much that he locks them up for life and they don’t even have to honor or out live their contracts.

    Case Keenum was paid a crap ton of money but then he was traded however he’s still on Denver’s payroll.

    Joe Flacco was paid a crap ton of money on a team friendly deal and John said you know what “we’re going to extend you and count more time against our cap, then we’re going to place you on IR”.

    Perhaps next season we’ll over pay the Panthers for Cam who can no longer run but hey as long as John says he’s in his prime, “in John” the loyalist will Trust!

    Drew Lock playing a down for the broncos this season? need I say more.
    This is a false narrative. The Broncos gave him exactly $0 more in the extension than they already had to pay him (as a vested veteran his entire yearly salary becomes guaranteed by being on the roster in week 1) but because the Broncos had no cap space in 2019 they "extended" him (not really because the new years are completely voidable and have $0 in yearly salary) to spread the cap hit over 2 years.

    and because you can roll cap space over, and they saved a bunch of cap space in 2019 by trading Sanders (which they can roll over) it's likely that the new cap space created by the Flacco "extension" will completely carry over and just cancel itself out when the Broncos remove him from the roster in 2020.

    Elway has done a lot of things wrong, a lot of things. And he deserves a lot of blame, and questions on whether he deserves to have his job going forward? But the Flacco "extension" is nothing but an accounting move, it changed nothing in actual guaranteed money, and was actually a pretty smart thing to do.

    https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...-no-dead-money

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    • Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
      This is a false narrative. The Broncos gave him exactly $0 more in the extension than they already had to pay him (as a vested veteran his entire yearly salary becomes guaranteed by being on the roster in week 1) but because the Broncos had no cap space in 2019 they "extended" him (not really because the new years are completely voidable and have $0 in yearly salary) to spread the cap hit over 2 years.

      and because you can roll cap space over, and they saved a bunch of cap space in 2019 by trading Sanders (which they can roll over) it's likely that the new cap space created by the Flacco "extension" will completely carry over and just cancel itself out when the Broncos remove him from the roster in 2020.

      Elway has done a lot of things wrong, a lot of things. And he deserves a lot of blame, and questions on whether he deserves to have his job going forward? But the Flacco "extension" is nothing but an accounting move, it changed nothing in actual guaranteed money, and was actually a pretty smart thing to do.

      https://www.milehighreport.com/2019/...-no-dead-money
      It would have been a smart thing to ink a deal with Simmons as soon as the cap space was created. He waited to get anything done with Simmons while the price has gone up. What was the point of restructuring the contract?

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      • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
        It would have been a smart thing to ink a deal with Simmons as soon as the cap space was created. He waited to get anything done with Simmons while the price has gone up. What was the point of restructuring the contract?
        That's typical Elway and it's why we lose talent.

        He waits until it's too late to start negotiations and they often go sour.
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        • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
          It would have been a smart thing to ink a deal with Simmons as soon as the cap space was created. He waited to get anything done with Simmons while the price has gone up. What was the point of restructuring the contract?
          What incentive does Simmons have to sign before testing the market? Take less now for a guaranteed deal or take the chance and cash in in the offseason? Simmons has been inconsistent his entire career and it’s looking like he’s finally turning that corner and becoming the flashes that we would see in previous seasons. Simmons was likely the most aware of his inconsistencies and knew if he could fix it he’d get paid a lot more. Any deal offered to him prior to his recent play and up until free agency will likely be rejected unless it pays him as a top S in the NFL

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          • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
            What incentive does Simmons have to sign before testing the market? Take less now for a guaranteed deal or take the chance and cash in in the offseason? Simmons has been inconsistent his entire career and it’s looking like he’s finally turning that corner and becoming the flashes that we would see in previous seasons. Simmons was likely the most aware of his inconsistencies and knew if he could fix it he’d get paid a lot more. Any deal offered to him prior to his recent play and up until free agency will likely be rejected unless it pays him as a top S in the NFL
            I agree Simmons doesn’t have an incentive now, other than risk of injury. I’m talking about early September before he had a breakout season. Elway could have negotiated a new contract before the start of season. Simmons didn’t know how things would go with Fangio’s defense. No guarantee Simmons would have agreed to a deal but did Elway even try? Elway could have called him in and said, “Justin the Broncos believed in you by drafting you. With this offer you won’t need to worry about injury or how this season goes. You’ll be set for the rest of your life”.

            Instead Elway restructured Flacco’s contract, created cap space and did nothing. Elway rewarded Ja’Wuan James, an average tackle who had trouble staying on the field. But Elway wouldn’t do the work to sign Simmons.

            Simmons should wait for free agency and let the bidding begin. Simmons is in the driver’s seat.
            Last edited by Fantaztic7; 11-10-2019, 12:53 PM.

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            • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
              That's typical Elway and it's why we lose talent.

              He waits until it's too late to start negotiations and they often go sour.
              Exactly, while rewarding guys like Ja’Wuan James with huge contracts. James was an average to slightly above average tackle who couldn’t stay on the field. Elway gave him a massive pay day, yet he wouldn’t extend Simmons.

              Par for the course with the way they’ve managed Lock this far.

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              • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                I agree Simmons doesn’t have an incentive now, other than risk of injury. I’m talking about early September before he had a breakout season. Elway could have negotiated a new contract before the start of season. Simmons didn’t know how things would go with Fangio’s defense. No guarantee Simmons would have agreed to a deal but did Elway even try? Elway could have called him in and said, “Justin the Broncos believed in you by drafting you. With this offer you won’t need to worry about injury or how this season goes. You’ll be set for the rest of your life”.

                Instead Elway restructured Flacco’s contract, created cap space and did nothing. Elway rewarded Ja’Wuan James, an average tackle who had trouble staying on the field. But Elway wouldn’t do the work to sign Simmons.

                Simmons should wait for free agency and let the bidding begin. Simmons is in the driver’s seat.
                I don’t think Simmons would have signed at the beginning of the season either. He may not have known how he’d fit in with Fangio’s defense but Fangio has turned guys like Amos, Jackson, Whitner, Goldson, etc into big money guys. I think Simmons would’ve wanted to bet on himself and his agent definitely would’ve wanted for him to bet on himself

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                • Creating cap space and doing nothing is not a bad decision. Before restructuring Flacco the cap had hardly any room. I thought they made space to sign somebody, instead it was relief if something happened (you could argue part was used tore-signed Janovich).
                  All the unused cap money rolls over to next year. That wasn't a bad move.

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                  • Originally posted by Rastic View Post
                    Creating cap space and doing nothing is not a bad decision. Before restructuring Flacco the cap had hardly any room. I thought they made space to sign somebody, instead it was relief if something happened (you could argue part was used tore-signed Janovich).
                    All the unused cap money rolls over to next year. That wasn't a bad move.
                    People forget...it basically borrowed the 13 mil for this year from next....if not used..it rolls forward and evens out....

                    The only drawback is if it’s squandered... but it doesn’t look that way....

                    Non story..
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                    • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                      I don’t think Simmons would have signed at the beginning of the season either. He may not have known how he’d fit in with Fangio’s defense but Fangio has turned guys like Amos, Jackson, Whitner, Goldson, etc into big money guys. I think Simmons would’ve wanted to bet on himself and his agent definitely would’ve wanted for him to bet on himself
                      We don’t know either way but why not try to ink a new deal? You don’t know without making an offer. Maybe his agent told Elway early on Simmons would wait until free agency.

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                      • Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                        We don’t know either way but why not try to ink a new deal? You don’t know without making an offer. Maybe his agent told Elway early on Simmons would wait until free agency.
                        How do we know he didn’t try? Were there any reports about trying to resign Janovich before he did?

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                        • We have to spend money on all 3 levels of the defense next year.

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                          • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
                            How do we know he didn’t try? Were there any reports about trying to resign Janovich before he did?
                            I’ll reply in the Simmons thread.....
                            Last edited by Fantaztic7; 11-10-2019, 03:16 PM.

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