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  • #46
    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    I think some people are mixing up lack of production early in his career (largely due to a bad line) with health.

    This is a very solid talented pick up. We just have to beef up that line to give him a chance.
    At $16 mil over 2 years and $13.5 guaranteed, the expectation should not be a perfect line to make plays. His contract is what, the 4th highest pay at the position? He better deliver production.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by taz1458 View Post
      I am pretty happy with what they've done so far. Damn I cant wait til the 2020 season!!!
      Absolutely!

      It appears abundant goodness gets better and better each day for the Broncos.

      But....I'm starting to wonder if the 2020 NFL season will even happen. Totally a wait and see situation.
      Utah Bronco Freak

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      • #48
        Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
        I'm probably less exited with this move than the others. I don't really dislike it either, just would rather have spent the resources in other ways and there will likely be a pretty good back when we draft in the second/third.

        I think this move removes any doubt (if there was any) that Elway is in full win-now mode. I think he knows it's urgent that we don't have a fourth losing season in a row.
        I like this move. It can POSSIBLY mean we now have a strong 1-2 offensive punch. Remember the Elway- Davis 1-2 punch that got us back to back Super Bowls wins?
        Utah Bronco Freak

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
          For the price I’m not a fan of this move. Gordon needs to get a lot of carries and be featured often in the pass game to justify the cost. If Gordon has strong production then the price will have been worth it.
          Nothing ventured....nothing gained. You have to bet big to win big. First rule of gambling.
          Utah Bronco Freak

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
            Outside of the first round, any tackles you think we could target round 2 or 3?
            As many as six or seven Tackles might be chosen in the first round. That would include the top four (i.e., Becton, Thomas, Wiils and Wirfs) and probably Jackson, Jones and Cleveland who might be available in the second round, too, depending on how the selections go by position in the first.

            If Denver doesn't pick a Tackle in the first round and either Jackson, Jones or Cleveland are there in the second, I would hope they would get one of them. A Tackle who should still be around in the second or third round who has caught my attention is Matt Peart from UConn.

            Prince Tega Wanogho and Lucas Niang are interesting prospects who may slip past the third round because of coming off injuries in 2019. Getting reliable medical reports on them is the key. Isaiah Wilson from Georgia is a possibility in the second/third round, but IDK how well he projects as being able to play either side as a prospective Swing Tackle. Some scouts may see him more as a G.
            Last edited by samparnell; 03-21-2020, 10:10 AM. Reason: format
            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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            • #51
              Originally posted by samparnell View Post
              As many as six or seven Tackles might be chosen in the first round. That would include the top four (i.e., Becton, Thomas, Wiils and Wirfs) and probably Jackson, Jones and Cleveland who might be available in the second round, too, depending on how the selections go by position in the first. If Denver doesn't pick a Tackle in the first round and either Jackson, Jones or Cleveland are there in the second, I would hope they would get one of them. A Tackle who should still be around in the second or third round who has caught my attention is Matt Peart from UConn. Prince Tega Wanogho and Lucas Niang are interesting prospects who may slip past the third round because of coming off injuries in 2019. Getting reliable medical reports on them is the key. Isaiah Wilson from Georgia is a possibility in the second/third round, but IDK how well he projects as being able to play either side as a prospective Swing Tackle. Some scouts may see him more as a G.
              Yeah, Peart and Niang are my typical backup plan when I do mocks. I have no idea where they're going to wind up though. I want to believe that one of the two or Wilson will fall into the late 3rd round, but there's a lot of risk involved there. Could be a trade back up type of situation if we don't take one early.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                At $16 mil over 2 years and $13.5 guaranteed, the expectation should not be a perfect line to make plays. His contract is what, the 4th highest pay at the position? He better deliver production.
                I get that, but for context though, his contact is in a different tier from the first 3. Drake and Henry are getting more on the tag, and he's gunna get bumped down the list by 3-5 backs next offseason. There's a chance that Godon's agent was fibbing about the level of interest, but even if that were the case, he's still worth it if he returns to form.

                I would've drafted a guy, but I get what JE is doing. That's another mid round pick we can trade to move up too.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Papa-pwn View Post
                  I think the team considers Wilkinson that swing tackle. Then we have 4 other offensive tackles behind the top three Bolles, James, and Wilkinson. I can see a mid-late rounder being put towards tackle depth, but that is a position likely saved for next offseason, I think the team wants to give Bolles and James more time.
                  Eli Wilkinson had seven starts at RG in 2018 and twelve at RT in 2019. It looked to me like he showed some upside as a RG, but none as a RT. It would be great to hear Mike Munchak's evaluation. I don't see Wilkinson as a Tackle and if, as you say, he is considered the Swing Tackle in 2020, that makes me very nervous. He seems like a RG in an angle blocked rushing attack.

                  The four other Tackles to whom you refer are Jake Rodgers, Quinn Bailey, Calvin Anderson and Ka'John Armstrong. Jake came off the bench at RT when Wilkinson got hurt against the Lions, and got his first start in the season finale against the Raiders. He looked better to me coming off the bench than he did starting. I'll give him a lot of credit for loving the game of football and being very persistent in trying to be an NFL player. During the past five seasons he has been on the practice squads of eight different teams including three times with the Steelers, so Munchak knows him well. It is possible he could be the Swing Tackle, but that would make me nervous, too.

                  Bailey, Anderson and Armstrong are rookie UDFAs entering their second season with Denver, so they are unknown to us. Munchak knows the most about them. It would be unrealistic to expect them to make the roster. It could happen, but it would be a pleasant surprise.

                  Bolles is durable and always available, but he has other issues that make him wanting. For all practical purposes James didn't play in 2019 due to injury that wasn't addressed by any surgical procedure of which I am aware. His health, durability and heart are in question. Counting on him at RT in 2020 is a risky proposition from my viewpoint, but Munchak and the trainers know the most. What Denver decides to do about the T position will be indicative of their opinion about Ja'Wuan James.

                  So, there is no quality depth at the Tackle position on Denver's O-Line. They could sign a free agent Tackle, but I'm inclined to doubt that will happen at this point. In order to address this issue, it is my opinion that the Broncos should draft an offensive tackle no later than the third round this year. I have previously stated what some possibilities are. Unless they are very lucky, getting an appropriate prospect to be the 2020 Swing Tackle after the third round this year seems very unlikely.
                  "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
                    Nothing ventured....nothing gained. You have to bet big to win big. First rule of gambling.
                    Casinos are closed.

                    Teams don’t necessarily need to spend big money on productive running backs. Elway spent big money on Ja’Wuan James - how did that work out last season?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Spice 1 View Post
                      I get that, but for context though, his contact is in a different tier from the first 3. Drake and Henry are getting more on the tag, and he's gunna get bumped down the list by 3-5 backs next offseason. There's a chance that Godon's agent was fibbing about the level of interest, but even if that were the case, he's still worth it if he returns to form.

                      I would've drafted a guy, but I get what JE is doing. That's another mid round pick we can trade to move up too.
                      Point taken. Whether or not the pay falls down the list it’s still a lot of money for an average to slightly above average player. I do like the fact that the contract is only two years. Gordon is with the Broncos so let’s hope his best production is coming.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
                        Nothing ventured....nothing gained. You have to bet big to win big. First rule of gambling.
                        As a former semi-pro gambler...I never read that rule and you say it's #1? I'm not sure how I missed that.

                        I always thought a pro gambler bets when the advantage is in their favor, like the casinos do. Losers do big big to lose big, I'll give you that.

                        PS. I know what you're saying, I'm just being a jerk and picking nits.
                        Last edited by lvbronx; 03-21-2020, 12:08 PM.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                          At $16 mil over 2 years and $13.5 guaranteed, the expectation should not be a perfect line to make plays. His contract is what, the 4th highest pay at the position? He better deliver production.
                          IMO when he is playing Gordon is a guy who makes yards on his own.

                          That is not an issue here.

                          IMO his desire is an issue as he has missed games in effort to get paid...maybe that is not applicable to his time in Denver...we will see.

                          I would also say his injuries cause concern. He has missed 10 games due to injury and injuries have prevented him from finishing the season 3 times. I can spin this up or down I suppose but regardless it is a concern.

                          This site says has a 55.4% to get injured in 2020 and will miss 1.3 games. I did zero research on that sites methodology really I was only interested in his injury history. Even the best researchers have error because...all humans make errors.
                          Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                          • #58
                            Just noticed the thread title says Melving. I don't know why, but that tickles me.
                            Eternal Broncos Optimist

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Megalodon30 View Post
                              Just noticed the thread title says Melving. I don't know why, but that tickles me.
                              This one says Melving Gordon, and another thread says Melvin Gordan. Maybe it's Melving Gordan?
                              "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                                This one says Melving Gordon, and another thread says Melvin Gordan. Maybe it's Melving Gordan?
                                Makes me want to go out and buy a Melving Gordan jersey. Haha!
                                Eternal Broncos Optimist

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