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  • #61
    There has been some concern about Gordon's pay being high for RBs.

    Keep in mind that RBs are underpaid. To put it in perspective both Elliot and Barkley's rookie contracts had/have cap hits higher than Gordon's.

    When looking down our cap hit list in 2020 Gordon's cap hit put him on the same level as Bryce Callahan 7.8 mil, Chubb 7.5 mil , (Gordon goes here 7mil) Todd Davis 6 mil, Jeff Heuerman 4.3 mil, McManus 4.2 mil and Bolles 3,5 mil. Three of these people are playing on their rookie contract.

    Yea his cap hit goes up 2 mil in 2021 but that is hard to accurately evaluate until after a week of free agency in 2021. At 9 mil right now Gordon has the 5th highest cap hit for RBs in 2021. No one else has over 6.3 mil. Henry will probably exceed that assuming he gets a long term deal.
    Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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    • #62
      I'm excited to see Gordon in Shurmur's offense.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Hadez View Post
        There has been some concern about Gordon's pay being high for RBs.

        Keep in mind that RBs are underpaid. To put it in perspective both Elliot and Barkley's rookie contracts had/have cap hits higher than Gordon's.

        When looking down our cap hit list in 2020 Gordon's cap hit put him on the same level as Bryce Callahan 7.8 mil, Chubb 7.5 mil , (Gordon goes here 7mil) Todd Davis 6 mil, Jeff Heuerman 4.3 mil, McManus 4.2 mil and Bolles 3,5 mil. Three of these people are playing on their rookie contract.

        Yea his cap hit goes up 2 mil in 2021 but that is hard to accurately evaluate until after a week of free agency in 2021. At 9 mil right now Gordon has the 5th highest cap hit for RBs in 2021. No one else has over 6.3 mil. Henry will probably exceed that assuming he gets a long term deal.
        And none of the 4 highest paid RBs made the playoffs last year.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Hadez View Post
          There has been some concern about Gordon's pay being high for RBs.

          Keep in mind that RBs are underpaid. To put it in perspective both Elliot and Barkley's rookie contracts had/have cap hits higher than Gordon's.

          When looking down our cap hit list in 2020 Gordon's cap hit put him on the same level as Bryce Callahan 7.8 mil, Chubb 7.5 mil , (Gordon goes here 7mil) Todd Davis 6 mil, Jeff Heuerman 4.3 mil, McManus 4.2 mil and Bolles 3,5 mil. Three of these people are playing on their rookie contract.

          Yea his cap hit goes up 2 mil in 2021 but that is hard to accurately evaluate until after a week of free agency in 2021. At 9 mil right now Gordon has the 5th highest cap hit for RBs in 2021. No one else has over 6.3 mil. Henry will probably exceed that assuming he gets a long term deal.
          Barkley and Elliott were drafted higher at #2 and #4, respectively vs Gordon at #15. The salaries are much higher in the top five vs mid to late round picks. Using the 2019 draft the #2 pick contract was $33.5 million vs #15, $14.4 million. Elliott and Barkley have significantly higher rush production.

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          • #65
            Can the thread name be edited with the correct spelling, Melvin Gordon?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
              Can the thread name be edited with the correct spelling, Melvin Gordon?
              Why? I kind of like having our first gerund phrase as a Bronco. He'll be totally melvining the AFC West next season!

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              • #67
                Thread title updated.

                Funny it took so long to notice.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Rastic View Post
                  Thread title updated.

                  Funny it took so long to notice.
                  How did I have it spelled? :doh:
                  All it takes to win is doing whatever it takes to win: COMMITMENT

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
                    How did I have it spelled? :doh:
                    Melving ...
                    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by Letswinplz77 View Post
                      How did I have it spelled? :doh:
                      Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                      Melving ...
                      You were just thinking Melvin and winning at the same time.

                      :thumb:

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                      • #71
                        Hoping this brings some more dynamic to the offense. I'm all for improving the offense.
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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                          Barkley and Elliott were drafted higher at #2 and #4, respectively vs Gordon at #15. The salaries are much higher in the top five vs mid to late round picks. Using the 2019 draft the #2 pick contract was $33.5 million vs #15, $14.4 million. Elliott and Barkley have significantly higher rush production.
                          The point is we are comparing a "highly paid" RB free agent contract to rookie RB contracts. Both Elliot and Barkley rookie deals will have cap hits higher than Gordon's free agent deal that people do not like because it is one of the top RB contracts.

                          RBs are paid less than other positions.

                          If one does not want to take the time to look through all the contracts and different positions and compare than just look at the franchise tag list. The only spot valued lower than RB is ST. I was surprised to see TE was close to RB...but QB is more than double. WR, DE, CB, DT and LB are 50% above the RB value.

                          2020 Franchise and
                          Position Franchise Tag
                          QB $26,824,000
                          WR $17,865,000
                          DE $17,788,000
                          CB $16,338,000
                          DT $16,126,000
                          LB $15,828,000
                          OL $14,781,000
                          S $11,441,000
                          TE $10,607,000
                          RB $10,278,000
                          ST $5,019,000


                          https://overthecap.com/franchise-tra...d-rfa-tenders/
                          Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
                            Casinos are closed.

                            Teams don’t necessarily need to spend big money on productive running backs. Elway spent big money on Ja’Wuan James - how did that work out last season?
                            All casinos closed? Not all of them just yet but most likely 100% very soon.

                            I get what your saying. Obviously there are "situations" (real estate) / "people" (athletes) that you invest / bet little or a lot but IMO (I don't have any across the spectrum data) the odds for high end success are against you and there certainly are exceptions like all things in life. That's why Vegas gives odds and the odds are USUALLY against you, IMO.

                            Ja’Wuan James...OK... good point. What about positive drafting and/or signing of Terrell Davis, Lindsay Phillips and others that the Broncos didn't invest tons of $$$ initially but reaped high value success with. It's gambling to a point...nothing guaranteed. How about Joe Flacco, big $$$, how did that work out last season? Big gamble...zero success. Other NFL teams...how about QB Ryan Leaf (2nd pick 1st round 1998 draft) NFL Top 10 ranked him as the No. 1 "draft bust" in NFL history. How about LB Brian Bosworth (1st round, 1st overall) of the 1987 NFL Supplemental Draft? Big time flop.

                            So far it appears that some of Mr. Elway's gambles might...should....will pay off. :thumb:
                            Utah Bronco Freak

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
                              As a former semi-pro gambler...I never read that rule and you say it's #1? I'm not sure how I missed that.

                              I always thought a pro gambler bets when the advantage is in their favor, like the casinos do. Losers do big big to lose big, I'll give you that.

                              PS. I know what you're saying, I'm just being a jerk and picking nits.
                              It's an unwritten rule....like white wine with fish and red wine with beef...or....don't get romantically involved with you first cousin.

                              My wife and I gamble in Nevada several times a year, have for 30+ years. We've learned that USUALLY with exceptions that our winnings are USUALLY much larger when we bet big verses betting small.

                              You say you were a former semi-pro gambler. You were paid to gamble...really? I have to ask... where did you find someone that would pay you to gamble their money (based on the definition of Pro / Professional being paid to do something) and why aren't you a semi-pro gambler anymore?

                              So, you reside in Las Vegas...cool. Are you excited or angry about the Raiders coming to town?
                              Last edited by jazzbodog; 03-24-2020, 10:37 AM.
                              Utah Bronco Freak

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
                                All casinos closed? Not all of them just yet but most likely 100% very soon.

                                I get what your saying. Obviously there are "situations" (real estate) / "people" (athletes) that you invest / bet little or a lot but IMO (I don't have any across the spectrum data) the odds for high end success are against you and there certainly are exceptions like all things in life. That's why Vegas gives odds and the odds are USUALLY against you, IMO.

                                Ja’Wuan James...OK... good point. What about positive drafting and/or signing of Terrell Davis, Lindsay Phillips and others that the Broncos didn't invest tons of $$$ initially but reaped high value success with. It's gambling to a point...nothing guaranteed. How about Joe Flacco, big $$$, how did that work out last season? Big gamble...zero success. Other NFL teams...how about QB Ryan Leaf (2nd pick 1st round 1998 draft) NFL Top 10 ranked him as the No. 1 "draft bust" in NFL history. How about LB Brian Bosworth (1st round, 1st overall) of the 1987 NFL Supplemental Draft? Big time flop.

                                So far it appears that some of Mr. Elway's gambles might...should....will pay off. :thumb:
                                The concern with Gordon is the cost relative to other needs on the roster. His rushing production, especially removing 2018, is average (Freeman matched yards/rush in 2019). His receiving production is very good and should bolster the offense.

                                The Broncos signed Bouye and lost Harris Jr, with Callahan and Bausby as the remaining CB talent. Callahan has yet to show he can play and Bausby is recovering from a serious neck injury. Casey was a nice signing but Wolfe and Harris are gone (unless they find their way back). James is questionable given his injury history. Even if Bolles miraculously improves with consistency it would help to have a veteran LT.

                                Gordon isn’t a bad signing by any stretch, just the fact the roster still has multiple needs. The draft should help however it’s challenging for rookies, even talented ones, to play well at positions like CB and Tackle.

                                Hopefully Elway will find some good value with remaining free agents.
                                Last edited by Fantaztic7; 03-24-2020, 07:42 PM.

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