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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    My knowledge is minuscule compared to some users here. Yes, beastlyskronk posts great insights. There is a great tweet with video highlights of Gordon...will try to find and post.
    Humbleness...a quality attribute in a quality fan! :clap:

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  • welderhead
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    I would have preferred a rookie from the late rounds. I think some quality backs will slide in this draft because the FA market is loaded. As stated before, until the OL is bolstered, we are SOL.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    i bet that Gordon will have his best year as a Pro this year. he is gonna run angry and run well. he is gonna put his best season and i am willing to bet cp on that one.

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
    Your Bronco team / player homework is impressive. It's forum members like you that keep me educated and informed. Thank you!

    I'm sure you've read post #78 by Beastlyskronk in this thread which is also a quality analysis of the Gordon acquisition.

    If the 2020 NFL season happens it will be very interesting to see how it plays out!

    My knowledge is minuscule compared to some users here. Yes, beastlyskronk posts great insights. There is a great tweet with video highlights of Gordon...will try to find and post.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Gordon offers the offense a lot of versatility that can really shorten the learning curve of a young QB. In my head there’s a package of Fant, Vannett, Sutton, Gordon, and Lindsay where the offense comes out in a 5 wide look, if Lindsay, Gordon, or Fant draw a LB you have a huge mismatch. If they come out in a nickel or dime defense you audible to a more typical run formation and let the TEs clear lanes for Gordon or Lindsay or you can get Fant/Vannett on the same side of the field and run a screen. It’s the old Gronkowski/Hernandez package in New England that gave the NFL nightmares except with 2 great receiving TEs it’s with 2 RBs. Lindsay may not be a great receiver yet but he can outrun LBs.

    The Gordon signing creates a lot of ways for our offense to dictate what the defense does. Teams can’t play man coverage against the package I described unless they want to go cover 0 and let the blitz “cover” the mismatches but that creates scramble opportunities for Lock. They have to play zone and they have to pick their poison of doing it with LBs or DBs. And whatever WR we add in the draft will just create more mismatches whether it’s Lamb, Ruggs, Pittman, Mims, or even Higgins, all those guys can be physical punishing blockers on the edge. Hell we might even get a package where we see Driskel out wide.
    Wow! Many impressive Bronco fans here like you and Fantaztic7 and many others that do impressive Bronco team / player homework.

    As I stated previously, it's forum members like you that keep me educated and informed. Thank you!

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    The concern with Gordon is the cost relative to other needs on the roster. His rushing production, especially removing 2018, is average (Freeman matched yards/rush in 2019). His receiving production is very good and should bolster the offense.

    The Broncos signed Bouye and lost Harris Jr, with Callahan and Bausby as the remaining CB talent. Callahan has yet to show he can play and Bausby is recovering from a serious neck injury. Casey was a nice signing but Wolfe and Harris are gone (unless they find their way back). James is questionable given his injury history. Even if Bolles miraculously improves with consistency it would help to have a veteran LT.

    Gordon isn’t a bad signing by any stretch, just the fact the roster still has multiple needs. The draft should help however it’s challenging for rookies, even talented ones, to play well at positions like CB and Tackle.

    Hopefully Elway will find some good value with remaining free agents.
    Your Bronco team / player homework is impressive. It's forum members like you that keep me educated and informed. Thank you!

    I'm sure you've read post #78 by Beastlyskronk in this thread which is also a quality analysis of the Gordon acquisition.

    If the 2020 NFL season happens it will be very interesting to see how it plays out!

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Attitude problem?
    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Who?
    Maybe an “altitude” problem.

    Cue the laughter! Bahahaha 😂

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    Attitude problem?
    Who?

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  • Al Wilson 4 Mayor
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    Originally posted by HUMCALC View Post
    A big roster waste, and a HUGE waste of $! He has an attitude problem, and he never plays a full season. This money should have gone to the OL or Secondary
    Attitude problem?

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Gordon offers the offense a lot of versatility that can really shorten the learning curve of a young QB. In my head there’s a package of Fant, Vannett, Sutton, Gordon, and Lindsay where the offense comes out in a 5 wide look, if Lindsay, Gordon, or Fant draw a LB you have a huge mismatch. If they come out in a nickel or dime defense you audible to a more typical run formation and let the TEs clear lanes for Gordon or Lindsay or you can get Fant/Vannett on the same side of the field and run a screen. It’s the old Gronkowski/Hernandez package in New England that gave the NFL nightmares except with 2 great receiving TEs it’s with 2 RBs. Lindsay may not be a great receiver yet but he can outrun LBs.

    The Gordon signing creates a lot of ways for our offense to dictate what the defense does. Teams can’t play man coverage against the package I described unless they want to go cover 0 and let the blitz “cover” the mismatches but that creates scramble opportunities for Lock. They have to play zone and they have to pick their poison of doing it with LBs or DBs. And whatever WR we add in the draft will just create more mismatches whether it’s Lamb, Ruggs, Pittman, Mims, or even Higgins, all those guys can be physical punishing blockers on the edge. Hell we might even get a package where we see Driskel out wide.

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  • HUMCALC
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    A big roster waste, and a HUGE waste of $! He has an attitude problem, and he never plays a full season. This money should have gone to the OL or Secondary

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  • Letswinplz77
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    You were just thinking Melvin and winning at the same time.

    :thumb:
    Yeah, let's go with that!

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  • Fantaztic7
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
    All casinos closed? Not all of them just yet but most likely 100% very soon.

    I get what your saying. Obviously there are "situations" (real estate) / "people" (athletes) that you invest / bet little or a lot but IMO (I don't have any across the spectrum data) the odds for high end success are against you and there certainly are exceptions like all things in life. That's why Vegas gives odds and the odds are USUALLY against you, IMO.

    Ja’Wuan James...OK... good point. What about positive drafting and/or signing of Terrell Davis, Lindsay Phillips and others that the Broncos didn't invest tons of $$$ initially but reaped high value success with. It's gambling to a point...nothing guaranteed. How about Joe Flacco, big $$$, how did that work out last season? Big gamble...zero success. Other NFL teams...how about QB Ryan Leaf (2nd pick 1st round 1998 draft) NFL Top 10 ranked him as the No. 1 "draft bust" in NFL history. How about LB Brian Bosworth (1st round, 1st overall) of the 1987 NFL Supplemental Draft? Big time flop.

    So far it appears that some of Mr. Elway's gambles might...should....will pay off. :thumb:
    The concern with Gordon is the cost relative to other needs on the roster. His rushing production, especially removing 2018, is average (Freeman matched yards/rush in 2019). His receiving production is very good and should bolster the offense.

    The Broncos signed Bouye and lost Harris Jr, with Callahan and Bausby as the remaining CB talent. Callahan has yet to show he can play and Bausby is recovering from a serious neck injury. Casey was a nice signing but Wolfe and Harris are gone (unless they find their way back). James is questionable given his injury history. Even if Bolles miraculously improves with consistency it would help to have a veteran LT.

    Gordon isn’t a bad signing by any stretch, just the fact the roster still has multiple needs. The draft should help however it’s challenging for rookies, even talented ones, to play well at positions like CB and Tackle.

    Hopefully Elway will find some good value with remaining free agents.
    Last edited by Fantaztic7; 03-24-2020, 07:42 PM.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
    As a former semi-pro gambler...I never read that rule and you say it's #1? I'm not sure how I missed that.

    I always thought a pro gambler bets when the advantage is in their favor, like the casinos do. Losers do big big to lose big, I'll give you that.

    PS. I know what you're saying, I'm just being a jerk and picking nits.
    It's an unwritten rule....like white wine with fish and red wine with beef...or....don't get romantically involved with you first cousin.

    My wife and I gamble in Nevada several times a year, have for 30+ years. We've learned that USUALLY with exceptions that our winnings are USUALLY much larger when we bet big verses betting small.

    You say you were a former semi-pro gambler. You were paid to gamble...really? I have to ask... where did you find someone that would pay you to gamble their money (based on the definition of Pro / Professional being paid to do something) and why aren't you a semi-pro gambler anymore?

    So, you reside in Las Vegas...cool. Are you excited or angry about the Raiders coming to town?
    Last edited by jazzbodog; 03-24-2020, 10:37 AM.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    Casinos are closed.

    Teams don’t necessarily need to spend big money on productive running backs. Elway spent big money on Ja’Wuan James - how did that work out last season?
    All casinos closed? Not all of them just yet but most likely 100% very soon.

    I get what your saying. Obviously there are "situations" (real estate) / "people" (athletes) that you invest / bet little or a lot but IMO (I don't have any across the spectrum data) the odds for high end success are against you and there certainly are exceptions like all things in life. That's why Vegas gives odds and the odds are USUALLY against you, IMO.

    Ja’Wuan James...OK... good point. What about positive drafting and/or signing of Terrell Davis, Lindsay Phillips and others that the Broncos didn't invest tons of $$$ initially but reaped high value success with. It's gambling to a point...nothing guaranteed. How about Joe Flacco, big $$$, how did that work out last season? Big gamble...zero success. Other NFL teams...how about QB Ryan Leaf (2nd pick 1st round 1998 draft) NFL Top 10 ranked him as the No. 1 "draft bust" in NFL history. How about LB Brian Bosworth (1st round, 1st overall) of the 1987 NFL Supplemental Draft? Big time flop.

    So far it appears that some of Mr. Elway's gambles might...should....will pay off. :thumb:

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