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  • Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Do you fly to another city for a couple of days about twice a month and return to family, friends and co-workers after having been in direct, repeated physical contact with residents of that city?

    Do you host a group from another city about a couple of times a month and engage in close physical contact with them before they return to their families, friends and co-workers?

    How does that not contribute to the spread? NFL personnel are not hermetically sealed from other citizens in the communities where they live.
    I don’t fly.
    I do drive and stay for 3 to 4 days in different cities every week, and I stay in hotels and pick up food at different restaurants.

    Sounds like the NFL should be canceled according to your logic. I think it should be up to the players and coaches because they are the ones taking the risk. We can agree to disagree, saying that anyone who wants the NFL to happen this season doesn’t care about the players lives is a cheap shot and virtue signaling. Millions of people across this country are choosing to work everyday and despite the cases going up ( testing is also gone way up) the death toll and hospitalizations are going down.
    The people who have been hardest hit by Covid have been the elderly, especially those in nursing homes and people with underlying conditions. We need to seal those groups from the virus. Everyone else should be able to choose how they want to love with the virus.

    My kids school district has given three choices for parents.
    1. Full time back at school
    2. 3 days a week at school
    3. Home schooling

    These kind of options should be given to people at work as well. Everyone’s situations are different.

    The people taking the risk need to make the decision on what they do period! If you don’t feel safe Sicily distance until you do.
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    • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
      No deaths yet, but plenty of players have contracted the disease.

      One preventable death is too many, they are working for entertainment, not stocking shelves, not doing something that is actually important to anyone other than fans who think they are entitled to have something to watch on tv.
      The players and coaches should get to make the decision on what they do, not fans who want to virtue signal and tell players what’s best for them.

      If players don’t feel safe then they can do something they feel safe doing, parents have stopped allowing kids to play football due to concussion concerns nothing wrong with that. I would love to see the players that still want to play to get to play a sport they love instead of being told it’s unsafe by those who it doesn’t affect.
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      • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
        The players and coaches should get to make the decision on what they do, not fans who want to virtue signal and tell players what’s best for them.

        If players don’t feel safe then they can do something they feel safe doing, parents have stopped allowing kids to play football due to concussion concerns nothing wrong with that. I would love to see the players that still want to play to get to play a sport they love instead of being told it’s unsafe by those who it doesn’t affect.
        Where did I say we should make the decision.

        I said if the NFL made the decision I'd support it, you above said it would be the death of the NFL and insinuated you wouldn't support it.

        I'm simply saying IF they decide they cannot make the season work, they have my wholehearted support because if they don't feel safe doing it, there's no reason they should just because fans think they deserve it.
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        • Originally posted by samparnell View Post
          Do you fly to another city for a couple of days about twice a month and return to family, friends and co-workers after having been in direct, repeated physical contact with residents of that city?

          Do you host a group from another city about a couple of times a month and engage in close physical contact with them before they return to their families, friends and co-workers?

          How does that not contribute to the spread? NFL personnel are not hermetically sealed from other citizens in the communities where they live.
          But they could be. I’m kind of surprised the NFL hasn’t spent much time looking into a bubble league like the NBA.

          Choose one or two sites and have them stay there. The players would probably not be happy about not seeing family for a few months and some nba players are opting out of the restart for those reasons. But it would be a paycheck earned.
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          • Risks in everything we do in life. If we knew how many have had it Covid recovery rate would be even better. 97 to 99.75% recovery rate isn’t bad when you look at other areas of life.

            Cause of Death Odds of Dying
            Heart disease 1 in 6
            Cancer 1 in 7
            All preventable causes of death 1 in 25
            Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
            Suicide 1 in 86
            Opioid overdose 1 in 98
            Motor-vehicle crash 1 in 106
            Fall 1 in 111
            Gun assault 1 in 298
            Pedestrian incident 1 in 541
            Motorcyclist 1 in 890
            Drowning 1 in 1,121
            Fire or smoke 1 in 1,399
            Choking on food 1 in 2,618
            Bicyclist 1 in 4,060
            Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
            Accidental gun discharge 1 in 9,077
            Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 12,484
            Sharp objects 1 in 29,483
            Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 45,186
            Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 53,989
            Cataclysmic storm 1 in 54,699
            Dog attack 1 in 118,776
            Lightning 1 in 180,746
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            • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
              But they could be. I’m kind of surprised the NFL hasn’t spent much time looking into a bubble league like the NBA.

              Choose one or two sites and have them stay there. The players would probably not be happy about not seeing family for a few months and some nba players are opting out of the restart for those reasons. But it would be a paycheck earned.
              It's for sure an option, but I just don't see it happening.
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              • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                Where did I say we should make the decision.

                I said if the NFL made the decision I'd support it, you above said it would be the death of the NFL and insinuated you wouldn't support it.

                I'm simply saying IF they decide they cannot make the season work, they have my wholehearted support because if they don't feel safe doing it, there's no reason they should just because fans think they deserve it.
                I agree with this. I’m hoping they do play but have been expecting this whole time that they won’t. And still think by late August they’ll end up canceling. But they’ll still have my respect and fandom if they do. It’ll suck but I completely get it if they do.

                There’s also not a chance my fandom for the Broncos is so weak that I would ever remotely consider bailing on them because 2020 was canceled over safety precautions. That just doesn’t make much sense.

                I hope I’m wrong and we get a season even without fans but I just don’t see it happening.
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                • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                  Risks in everything we do in life. If we knew how many have had it Covid recovery rate would be even better. 97 to 99.75% recovery rate isn’t bad when you look at other areas of life.

                  Cause of Death Odds of Dying
                  Heart disease 1 in 6
                  Cancer 1 in 7
                  All preventable causes of death 1 in 25
                  Chronic lower respiratory disease 1 in 26
                  Suicide 1 in 86
                  Opioid overdose 1 in 98
                  Motor-vehicle crash 1 in 106
                  Fall 1 in 111
                  Gun assault 1 in 298
                  Pedestrian incident 1 in 541
                  Motorcyclist 1 in 890
                  Drowning 1 in 1,121
                  Fire or smoke 1 in 1,399
                  Choking on food 1 in 2,618
                  Bicyclist 1 in 4,060
                  Sunstroke 1 in 7,770
                  Accidental gun discharge 1 in 9,077
                  Electrocution, radiation, extreme temperatures, and pressure 1 in 12,484
                  Sharp objects 1 in 29,483
                  Hot surfaces and substances 1 in 45,186
                  Hornet, wasp, and bee stings 1 in 53,989
                  Cataclysmic storm 1 in 54,699
                  Dog attack 1 in 118,776
                  Lightning 1 in 180,746
                  none of those things are contagious.
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                  • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                    Where did I say we should make the decision.

                    I said if the NFL made the decision I'd support it, you above said it would be the death of the NFL and insinuated you wouldn't support it.

                    I'm simply saying IF they decide they cannot make the season work, they have my wholehearted support because if they don't feel safe doing it, there's no reason they should just because fans think they deserve it.
                    It will be the death of the NFL if they cancel the season because of a virus that 99% of people recover from. A large portion of NFL fans are from the working class like me, pretty hard to root for players who aren’t willing to take the same chances the fans take everyday.

                    If players don’t feel safe they should retire and find something more safe to do.

                    I’m sure you support the grocery store workers, police and fire department. Seems like essential workers are learning to live with the virus, the NFL can do the same.
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                    • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                      none of those things are contagious.
                      They all involve risks.
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                      • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                        It will be the death of the NFL if they cancel the season because of a virus that 99% of people recover from. A large portion of NFL fans are from the working class like me, pretty hard to root for players who aren’t willing to take the same chances the fans take everyday.

                        If players don’t feel safe they should retire and find something more safe to do.

                        I’m sure you support the grocery store workers, police and fire department. Seems like essential workers are learning to live with the virus, the NFL can do the same.
                        Hyperbole at its finest.
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                        • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                          It will be the death of the NFL if they cancel the season because of a virus that 99% of people recover from. A large portion of NFL fans are from the working class like me, pretty hard to root for players who aren’t willing to take the same chances the fans take everyday.

                          If players don’t feel safe they should retire and find something more safe to do.

                          I’m sure you support the grocery store workers, police and fire department. Seems like essential workers are learning to live with the virus, the NFL can do the same.
                          That's a very entitled and selfish take. Again, it's their lives not yours and If they don't feel safe, that's their choice. A lot of people will support them.

                          Grocery store workers are needed, our country can't function without them. Fire fighters and police? They are needed too to keep order and safety.

                          Why is NFL needed, for your own personal gratification? That's so stupid to think you are so entitled to them playing. They don't owe you ANYTHING.

                          There's a reason people like me are working from home. I'm not important enough that I'm needed on site, I don't have to risk myself. There are people who cannot provide their services from home and are more essential cogs of the machine known as society, the NFL isn't part of that. Just because you have to go to work, doesn't mean those who aren't necessary have to.

                          You want to work, go work, go put yourself at risk, that's your choice and I support it, but I support their choices too.
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                          • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                            That's a very entitled and selfish take. Again, it's their lives not yours and If they don't feel safe, that's their choice. A lot of people will support them.

                            Grocery store workers are needed, our country can't function without them. Fire fighters and police? They are needed too to keep order and safety.

                            Why is NFL needed, for your own personal gratification? That's so stupid to think you are so entitled to them playing. They don't owe you ANYTHING.

                            There's a reason people like me are working from home. I'm not important enough that I'm needed on site, I don't have to risk myself. There are people who cannot provide their services from home and are more essential cogs of the machine known as society, the NFL isn't part of that. Just because you have to go to work, doesn't mean those who aren't necessary have to.

                            You want to work, go work, go put yourself at risk, that's your choice and I support it, but I support their choices too.
                            I’m glad your able to work from home so you feel safe.

                            I have worked during the pandemic and I fear driving more than getting a virus I have a 99.75 % chance of recovering from.

                            First of all NFL players, and team employees need jobs. You may not think football or entertainment is essential but I believe it would give our country a huge lift. Millions of people have been affected by the Pandemic. Suicide rates and depression have sky rocketed. People need hope and an escape from the stresses many are going through losing jobs, loved ones, etc.
                            You may not see Football as something that can help bring people joy, bring people together, and give people a sense of normalcy in a word that has change so much in the last 4 months but I do.
                            Last edited by 58Miller; 07-05-2020, 11:23 AM.
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                            • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
                              They all involve risks.
                              That's deflection, it's not the point. The reason those aren't the same is risks or no risks, you cann't spread getting struck by lightning to someone by being around then. Additionally, you can't spread getting struck to lightning to someone before you show symptoms of getting struck by lightning.

                              Bringing up these as if they relate to a highly contagious virus that 531,659 have died from so far is an ignorant argument. (note, not calling you ignorant, just your silly argument)
                              Last edited by Freyaka; 07-05-2020, 11:24 AM.
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                              • Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
                                That's deflection, it's not the point. The reason those aren't the same is risks or no risks, you cann't spread getting struck by lightning to someone by being around then. Additionally, you can't spread getting struck to lightning to someone before you show symptoms of getting struck by lightning.

                                Bringing up these as if they relate to a highly contagious virus that 531,659 have died from so far is an ignorant argument. (note, not calling you ignorant, just your silly argument)
                                Your logic is if you stay home and don’t go outside you won’t get the virus.
                                If you don’t get in a car you can’t get in a car accident.

                                It’s all about risk.
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