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    CanDB
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    And if there's never a vaccine or treatment? There are lots of things we've never found vaccines or treatments for, including the other Corona Viruses, right now the thought of either is just blind faith. At some point governments and people will need to start planning what life looks like in 1 or 2 years with no vaccine or treatment, because fear and blind faith can't last forever.
    My main point is as follows....we must respect what we are up against, make no assumptions that we have it all figured out, and try to live as close to normal as possible without taking too many risks for ourselves, our elderlies, our children, those we believe to be "vulnerable", and even beyond those groups. The road ahead is seemingly without too many sharp turns and bumps and bad conditions, but we need to keep a focus on what we know for sure, and what we are not sure about. The vaccines and treatments are part of the path, but we have to hope for the best in terms of timeliness....and even if they will be available to us.

    The good news for me.....I have faith in medical research and know how, and humans are adaptable, and will make the most of this, as long as we work together.
    CanDB
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    Last edited by CanDB; 08-04-2020, 07:55 AM.

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    They went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.
    Could you provide a link to confirm this? I’m not seeing anything online!

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
    And if there's never a vaccine or treatment? There are lots of things we've never found vaccines or treatments for, including the other Corona Viruses, right now the thought of either is just blind faith. At some point governments and people will need to start planning what life looks like in 1 or 2 years with no vaccine or treatment, because fear and blind faith can't last forever.

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  • Butler By'Note
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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    They went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.
    It's part of the amended CBA. It lays out exactly which risks the players are not to take, and the penalties for doing so. Loss of game checks for every game missed, and void of all future guarantees in their contracts if they test positive after breaking the amended CBA.

    Not to mention the vast difference between the two travel leagues: Baseball teams fly to up to 3 cities every week, and have a lot of down time after each game to get themselves in trouble. Meanwhile the NFL teams will fly into the opposition city the day before the game, will go straight to the hotel and stay there until the next day when they will go to the stadium, play the game and then on a bus straight to the airport in order to fly home.
    Butler By'Note
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    Last edited by Butler By'Note; 08-03-2020, 10:21 PM.

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  • Dennis.1960
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  • Dennis.1960
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks.
    This is what has concerned me the most for quite awhile...it's not the body count, it's the risk of permanent damage.

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  • orange crush75
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  • orange crush75
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
    They've already said you can get it more then once. The antibodies only stay on your system for 3 months . This is why if you test positive you aren't supposed to test for 12 weeks . So the chances of a vaccine isnt great. then again people get the flu shot every year but still get the flu so theres that

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  • Sam_Z
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
    I have an aunt with a phd in medical science/infectious disease. She says it’s going to be at least two years before an effective vaccine will be here.

    Everyone is afraid of Gates and Fauci but even that is a long ways off, (Vaccine wise). We may just have to learn to live under quarantine for the next 2-5 years which really stinks but gradually we should be able to accept and do it!
    Sam_Z
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    Last edited by Sam_Z; 08-03-2020, 08:49 PM.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
    We gamble every day . The regular flu is more dangerous to kids then covid . Looking at stats if your under 65 your chances of surviving are good . The avg death age of covid is older then avg death age from what I understand. Yes this is killing people but look how many have become infected and survived.
    I will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.

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  • orange crush75
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  • orange crush75
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post
    When are people going to realize / understand that this nasty virus CAN / WILL / DOES effect people in unpredictable and different ways?

    A 102 year old woman gets the virus and survives no problem. A 40 year old person with mild or no pre-existing issues gets it but recovers at home or in a hospital. A healthy 19 year old gets it and dies 5 days later. NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT WILL EFFECT ANY GIVEN PERSON!!!!

    Young, old, sick, whatever. It's a total gamble to put yourself in harms way and believe it will pan out in a positive way because you believe you're 10 feet tall and bullet proof. Unbelievably naive and ignorant, IMO.
    We gamble every day . The regular flu is more dangerous to kids then covid . Looking at stats if your under 65 your chances of surviving are good . The avg death age of covid is older then avg death age from what I understand. Yes this is killing people but look how many have become infected and survived.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    They went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.
    When are people going to realize / understand that this nasty virus CAN / WILL / DOES effect people in unpredictable and different ways?

    A 102 year old woman gets the virus and survives no problem. A 40 year old person with mild or no pre-existing issues gets it but recovers at home or in a hospital. A healthy 19 year old gets it and dies 5 days later. NOBODY KNOWS HOW IT WILL EFFECT ANY GIVEN PERSON!!!!

    Young, old, sick, whatever. It's a total gamble to put yourself in harms way and believe it will pan out in a positive way because you believe you're 10 feet tall and bullet proof. Unbelievably naive and ignorant, IMO.

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  • Bronco51
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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    And more Cardinals players tested positive today. So, their season is on hold for longer.
    They went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.

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  • Peanut
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    Getting a little personal.

    This is not the first warning.

    Let's see if we can get the other thread closed, too.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Dreamer and very naive. Thanks Bronx. By describing me this way, does that make you feel more correct?
    I'm just saying that some people, and you have done it in this thread, throw out the idea that taking a baby step approach going forward and halting life for any minor spike has no consequences. Its almost like some people are saying 'well we might as well take an extremely slow approach for the rest of the year just in case, and if we need to cancel anything at any time then why not' without realising that it comes with major repercussions and devastating impacts for millions of people.

    If you believe that taking a baby step approach for as long as you think s neccessary is the right way forward then thats your opinion and your entitled to it, but doing it this way comes with consequences. Governing bodies can only halt life for an incredibly good reason and not just on a whim because of a tiny spike in a couple of places.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    You are a good person with good intentions but I often think you are a dreamer who is very naive to the impact such reluctance to move forward with life has on so many millions of people with jobs, businesses, and a need to interact and have a life for their mental state. The virus has an extremely low positive test to hospital ratio and the approach of 'baby steps' is seen as an over-reaction and needlessly destroying so many lives by many people.
    Dreamer and very naive. Thanks Bronx. By describing me this way, does that make you feel more correct?

    FTR....I see what is working and where, and I see what does not appear to be working and where. That may not be perfect, but it is based on as much fact as I can garner. And though some may challenge my province for being low density and not really international, I really like how we are handling this situation....and I see us recovering very nicely.
    CanDB
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    Last edited by CanDB; 08-01-2020, 02:12 PM.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    There has been nothing quick about this in the USA. This shutdown / partial shutdown is nearing 5 months and the ONLY thing our leaders have given us is weak a mask and social distance while we shut down the economy.

    As people who have lost their business the last 5 months about "move ahead as quickly as they think we can"

    If someone wants to stay home fine...if someone wants to move forward they should be allowed to . There are a lot of people who have spent tens of thousands of dollars in their business to make it safe with various forms of shields and social distancing who are not being allowed to.

    What is this plan you talk about? It is tangible or some fairy tale?
    I think you can do better than this.

    It's a plan that is being endorsed by some countries, and a number of subsets of those countries, though I can not get credit for their leadership, commitment to a well thought out plan, consistency of message, financial and medical support, monitoring and management of their findings, initiative, health awareness, and appreciation for blending safety and economy as best they could.

    Fairy tale?? Thought we were above that.
    CanDB
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    Last edited by CanDB; 08-01-2020, 02:05 PM.

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