Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Season in jeopardy?

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • bronx_2003
    replied
    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Just to rehash....you said we do not give enough credit to those who want to keep life moving ahead, and then you say people were told to get back to work. That seems like opposing ends of a scale. Yes I think it good that we try to move forward, but no, I do not think people should push ahead too fast, or in the case you mention, are pushed back to work in situations that are not as safe as they should be. That's what I read from your comments. Lets push ahead, but some of us have been pushed ahead....and in less than safe environments.

    I have 2 kids. One was lucky to work from home from the onset of the pandemic. Still does. The other is a medical professional, and did what was possible to be safe, though having to ride the subways, and be in a less safe environment - the hospital. Had to work. BUT, both of them are practicing sound judgement and wise behaviour in their every day lives. One had more risks to contend with, but did everything that was prescribed. The other was safer at home, but is very, very cautious in their normal way of life, and avoids unnecessary risk. So in their own way, they have done the right things to keep themselves healthy. One had no choice, but wears masks regularly, and does all the social distancing, hand cleansing, etc. And I trust her workplace is doing its best to lessen the odds of being infected.

    So we, and our workplaces, have to use good judgement, and behave accordingly. What I got from you is that moving ahead should be given kudos, but moving ahead in workplaces that are not safe is not wise at all. That many are forced to work, even in less than ideal conditions. Somewhere in all of that I read that someone/some business, is not doing the right thing. And I do not give credit to either.

    Again, moving forward for the sake of it, is not the best way to go...unless it is supported by a good, safe plan,


    Now, if you are saying we should give credit to those who had no choice but to return to work, to pay their bills, and to do what they can to be safe....I agree. I just don't support those who say we have to move ahead, when we are clearly not ready to move ahead as quickly as they think we can. The ones that think the economy is much more important than the health and well being of people.
    You are a good person with good intentions but I often think you are a dreamer who is very naive to the impact such reluctance to move forward with life has on so many millions of people with jobs, businesses, and a need to interact and have a life for their mental state. The virus has an extremely low positive test to hospital ratio and the approach of 'baby steps' is seen as an over-reaction and needlessly destroying so many lives by many people.

    Leave a comment:


  • bronx_2003
    replied
    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    There has been nothing quick about this in the USA. This shutdown / partial shutdown is nearing 5 months and the ONLY thing our leaders have given us is weak a mask and social distance while we shut down the economy.

    As people who have lost their business the last 5 months about "move ahead as quickly as they think we can"

    If someone wants to stay home fine...if someone wants to move forward they should be allowed to . There are a lot of people who have spent tens of thousands of dollars in their business to make it safe with various forms of shields and social distancing who are not being allowed to.

    What is this plan you talk about? It is tangible or some fairy tale?
    The big problem you will get is there will be 2 groups of people that make up a minority but will scream their heads off.

    1 - The group who will not leave their house until life holds zero risk, they have already written off doing anything in 2020 and are too scared to move their life forward. These are the fragile types who generally need their hand held through life.

    2 - A small group of people who live for drama and enjoy the big news and drama of Covid, they will be glued to the TV every day and shouting at every little development, happily swallowing every little detail and regurgitating it as gospel.

    People like this will always frustrate people like us who just want to get on with life, need to work to pay the bills, and have some common sense of taking sensible measures without taking it to a stupid level of not wanting any part of life to move forward.

    Leave a comment:


  • Hadez
    replied
    Originally posted by CanDB View Post


    Now, if you are saying we should give credit to those who had no choice but to return to work, to pay their bills, and to do what they can to be safe....I agree. I just don't support those who say we have to move ahead, when we are clearly not ready to move ahead as quickly as they think we can. The ones that think the economy is much more important than the health and well being of people.
    There has been nothing quick about this in the USA. This shutdown / partial shutdown is nearing 5 months and the ONLY thing our leaders have given us is weak a mask and social distance while we shut down the economy.

    As people who have lost their business the last 5 months about "move ahead as quickly as they think we can"

    If someone wants to stay home fine...if someone wants to move forward they should be allowed to . There are a lot of people who have spent tens of thousands of dollars in their business to make it safe with various forms of shields and social distancing who are not being allowed to.

    What is this plan you talk about? It is tangible or some fairy tale?
    Last edited by Hadez; 08-01-2020, 11:42 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • Hadez
    replied
    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Just to rehash....you said we do not give enough credit to those who want to keep life moving ahead, and then you say people were told to get back to work. That seems like opposing ends of a scale.
    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    My take is we have learned something through all this. Some people did not have a choice. They either went to work or their family struggled to eat. Some people had a choice and went to work.
    I know a posted a lot and it was easy to see only some things so I made it easy for you. When I make an effort to paint a picture that includes both sides of the coin please represent that correct and do not just pick the side that fits your opinion.

    Leave a comment:


  • CanDB
    replied
    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    MLB played 9 of 10 games yesterday. One was postponed.

    There are learning curves but essentially the pro sports are starting to give us a window into what moving forward looks like. Soccer got to the knock out round. NBA played 2 games yesterday and 6 are scheduled today. NHL has 5 games tomorrow.

    Considering what we see on the news every day I get all the people wondering how will it happen....I do not think people are giving enough credit to those who want to keep life moving forward though. Some people do not want to wait at home until some "heroic action" saves the day that may never come or may not work if one is delivered.
    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    Well some people have been going to work. They do not have to wait for the "sound judgment and wise behavior" because they were told in March if they want to be able to pay bills they need to show up to work.

    Some people are lucky enough to be able to choose to stay at home and wait for "sound judgment and wise behavior". Managing risks is not something new to the world in 2020...we been doing it since the dawn on man.

    If people want to stay home and wait for "sound judgment and wise behavior" they should be allowed to.

    If people want to push on and manage risks while life is lived...allow them to do so.

    It has been almost 5 months at a certain point people should be able to make the choice.
    Just to rehash....you said we do not give enough credit to those who want to keep life moving ahead, and then you say people were told to get back to work. That seems like opposing ends of a scale. Yes I think it good that we try to move forward, but no, I do not think people should push ahead too fast, or in the case you mention, are pushed back to work in situations that are not as safe as they should be. That's what I read from your comments. Lets push ahead, but some of us have been pushed ahead....and in less than safe environments.

    I have 2 kids. One was lucky to work from home from the onset of the pandemic. Still does. The other is a medical professional, and did what was possible to be safe, though having to ride the subways, and be in a less safe environment - the hospital. Had to work. BUT, both of them are practicing sound judgement and wise behaviour in their every day lives. One had more risks to contend with, but did everything that was prescribed. The other was safer at home, but is very, very cautious in their normal way of life, and avoids unnecessary risk. So in their own way, they have done the right things to keep themselves healthy. One had no choice, but wears masks regularly, and does all the social distancing, hand cleansing, etc. And I trust her workplace is doing its best to lessen the odds of being infected.

    So we, and our workplaces, have to use good judgement, and behave accordingly. What I got from you is that moving ahead should be given kudos, but moving ahead in workplaces that are not safe is not wise at all. That many are forced to work, even in less than ideal conditions. Somewhere in all of that I read that someone/some business, is not doing the right thing. And I do not give credit to either.

    Again, moving forward for the sake of it, is not the best way to go...unless it is supported by a good, safe plan,


    Now, if you are saying we should give credit to those who had no choice but to return to work, to pay their bills, and to do what they can to be safe....I agree. I just don't support those who say we have to move ahead, when we are clearly not ready to move ahead as quickly as they think we can. The ones that think the economy is much more important than the health and well being of people.
    Last edited by CanDB; 08-01-2020, 10:54 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • JvDub95
    replied
    I found a little info on player obesity.....

    "players' union. About two-thirds of those players — not just linemen — had a body mass index above 30, which is considered moderately obese. ... Another study showed that the average weight of offensive linemen ballooned 27 percent, from 249 pounds in the 1970s to 315 pounds in the 2000s, as the passing game evolved."

    Moderately obese?? How many of Americans in general can fall into that category?? Imo, you can hold onto 20-30% body fat and still be able to go out and jog or handle some cardiovascular activity. As long as you can exercise your lungs being overweight a little isn't that big of a deal

    Leave a comment:


  • JvDub95
    replied
    Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
    What percentage of OL and DL do you think are considered medically obese?
    Very small imo, their muscle mass is what makes them as large as they are not their body fat %. I remember reading once that you need to have 30 or 35% percent body fat to be considered obese. Are lineman in that range? I honestly don't know the answer to that

    Leave a comment:


  • lvbronx
    replied
    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    Number one, ...players have an opt out option. If they feel playing is a "risk" to their lives they don't have to play.

    And two,... I am so sick and tired of the asymptomatic argument. I keep getting told "I could be spreading it without knowing it"...yeah? Then how come NOBODY around me is getting sick?? Maybe everyone around me are asymptomatic too?? Maybe everyone around them are asymptomatic??

    Look, I know there is a virus attacking us but it is NOT a death sentence!! If you are obese, a smoker, born without immunities.. whatever it may be, there are dangers around every corner for you. Over 90% of hospitalized covid patients are people who had/have pre existing conditions.https://people-com.cdn.ampproject.or...-conditions%2F ...

    Life can go on with this fight (with or without a vaccine) and MOST people will be just fine. There are unknowns as far as long term affects but the fact is this isn't going away. It is widely speculated this is going to be an annual event like the flu so just move along and deal with it. Quit acting like it's the plague because it's not
    What percentage of OL and DL do you think are considered medically obese?

    Leave a comment:


  • Hadez
    replied
    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    You posted that we are not giving enough credit to those who want to move forward, and I am not sure if that means they are doing it wisely, or they just never bought in to the pandemic. I don't blame anyone for wanting to move forward.

    But yeah, sound judgement and wise behaviour resonate with me. I said it again.

    Unlike what apparently happened with The Marlins (per a good source) in which it appears that one or more of them went out for some fun instead of staying in their hotel, which has led to significant concerns within MLB. That may be an extreme example for some, but it's still the same thing....taking unnnecessary risks.
    how does sound judgement and wise behavior in your opinion factor in to all the people who have been working through all this. These workers range from getting exposed to less than 10 people every work shift to getting exposed to 2,000 people on an average 8 hour shift...sometimes less and sometimes more. I personally get exposed to hundreds of people each shift (fortunately the same people every shift) to provide entertainment solutions to an industry that is almost dead at this point in the pandemic. Not just me I have a lot of close friends in construction, nursing, retail, grocery, engineering, automotive and warehousing.

    My take is we have learned something through all this. Some people did not have a choice. They either went to work or their family struggled to eat. Some people had a choice and went to work. Either way we grew and evolved from the knowledge we gained of the people who lived and found out how to not get infected. We also learn from the people who do get infected. Everything is a learning opportunity. For the people who get exposed to other people at work and than go home to their wife and kids they are very motivated in learning how to do this as safe as possible. While everyone I know wears a mask no one I know is willing to think that is the only thing they can do to protect their family while they put food on the table.

    Those of us going to work looked into things we did not have much knowledge on like established science on the immune system. Established science on how nutrition boosts the immune system and how bad nutrition can negatively effect the immune system. This is knowledge a lot of people do not follow in my opinion. In my opinion this lack of knowledge is a MAJOR flaw in the culture in the USA and why we are struggling as a country right now in this pandemic. We grew and now our bodies are better prepared to fight off not just covid19 but other infections....in large part because we kept living life and going to work.

    They say Covid-19 is a test of health and pre-existing conditions but it has grown more than that. It has exposed businesses that had pre-existing economic conditions. It is also going to expose the people who refuse to evolve and learn from all this.
    Last edited by Hadez; 08-01-2020, 08:40 AM.

    Leave a comment:


  • Spice 1
    replied
    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    I agree I have to remind myself of where I am compared to metropolitan area but these athletes are not obese. They may get it if played but they are not going to die from it. Like I said, it's not going away. At some point we are going to have to come out of our turtle shell and move along with life. Is that going to be after the vaccine? 30-40% of Americans aren't even going to take it so the threat will always be there
    I think this very well may be the biggest obstacle. People who are afraid to take a vaccine. I read an interview with the head virologist, or whatever, of one of the most promising vaccines entering 3rd phase trials. He said that the way the vaccine works, is they are not actually giving you the virus. There's no way you can contract the virus from the vaccine, because, and somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this, but it's basically using the protein that the virus uses to change shape when it attaches to healthy cells. Your body reacts to that protein. The side effects have so far been mostly mild to moderate: fever, muscle aches, etc. What he's worried about most, is that if only 1 in 3 people refuse to take the vaccine, it will make herd immunity problematic. Anyways, I can't find the article, so if there's any misinformation in there, set me straight on that.

    About NFL players, I agree that they're not necessarily "obese" per se, but they do have a higher body mass index. The other thing is that there's a study that shows NFL Players on average are more likely to have hypertension, which is an underlying condition where Covid 19 is concerned. I'm not saying anything one way or the other where safety is concerned. Just throwing it out there. I'm sure the NFLPA has discussed this with the players and the league. For example, if I was a big lineman, who already had apnea, and I had high blood pressure, I would at least consider the possibility of opting out. Doesn't make me a punk, it's just an evaluation of risk vs reward on my part. Financially, if I've been responsible, I should be fine.

    Leave a comment:


  • Bronco51
    replied
    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    And now the MLB commish, the other league not doing a bubble, has warned the players union that they could be shutting it down again very soon.
    And more Cardinals players tested positive today. So, their season is on hold for longer.

    Leave a comment:


  • orange crush75
    replied
    The amount of people I'm around that have had it and do have it will boggle your mind guys. I get tested every 2 weeks where I work . I've seen multiple officers , nurses , staff members get it as well as inmates . None of them has been serious.

    I've had 2 partners come down with it and been up close and personal with others I listed . I'm not saying that this is a hoax and a lie but I will say I wonder how much truth we do get told. Every single co worker that's had it has came back to work . People have lost their lives to this but I'm not sure if the total numbers are correct . This is just my opinion , I'm not saying this is gospel so dont ask me for a link to back it up. I'm just going off my personal dealings with this .

    Leave a comment:


  • Freyaka
    replied
    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    I agree I have to remind myself of where I am compared to metropolitan area but these athletes are not obese. They may get it if played but they are not going to die from it. Like I said, it's not going away. At some point we are going to have to come out of our turtle shell and move along with life. Is that going to be after the vaccine? 30-40% of Americans aren't even going to take it so the threat will always be there
    No but their family and friends might be...

    Leave a comment:


  • JvDub95
    replied
    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    I mean, 1/3rd of america is obese...We are not a healthy nation. You may not see a lot of people around you sick, but you aren't in a densely populated area there in iowa... Most football cities ARE densely populated and as such are going to have a much higher spread due to proximity. I've got several friends here who are dealing with it. Most are healthy and say it is nothing to mess around with even if they are going to make it out alive...
    I agree I have to remind myself of where I am compared to metropolitan area but these athletes are not obese. They may get it if played but they are not going to die from it. Like I said, it's not going away. At some point we are going to have to come out of our turtle shell and move along with life. Is that going to be after the vaccine? 30-40% of Americans aren't even going to take it so the threat will always be there

    Leave a comment:


  • Capt. Jack
    replied
    It's all well and good, but if you do get it, you can be dead in a week or so!
    Some people die so quick they don't have time to plan, no time to take care of anything.
    ( here today gone tomorrow)
    And then a lot of people get it and they're fine?They don't know anything about it that's why it's so dangerous. There may be 250,000 dead Americans by November.
    (That's kinda messed up)
    That's not business as usual in America.

    Leave a comment:

Working...
X