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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Freyaka View Post
    I doubt the season happens...
    Because it’s too dangerous?

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  • Freyaka
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Who believes it’s too dangerous to have the season?
    I doubt the season happens...

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Good question. I would think it would help limit positive tests, but not eliminate them.
    How can we eliminate cases anywhere? Players right now are practicing together.

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    If they have the season with the testing. Contact tracing etc. what will be the outcome in your opinion?
    Good question. I would think it would help limit positive tests, but not eliminate them.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Me. I’m listening to Mark Davis (Raiders owner) saying he envisions no fans and wonders if it’s even safe to have a season. That is an owner saying that. I know it’s all about money so there will be an attempt to play. But it won’t look like what we are used to. Some people don’t care and will take any kind of football. I am not that interested in watching a shortened season or some type of watered down product. I just don’t see a scenario where no team has to deal with positive tests all season.
    If they have the season with the testing. Contact tracing etc. what will be the outcome in your opinion?

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    Who believes it’s too dangerous to have the season?
    Me. I’m listening to Mark Davis (Raiders owner) saying he envisions no fans and wonders if it’s even safe to have a season. That is an owner saying that. I know it’s all about money so there will be an attempt to play. But it won’t look like what we are used to. Some people don’t care and will take any kind of football. I am not that interested in watching a shortened season or some type of watered down product. I just don’t see a scenario where no team has to deal with positive tests all season.

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  • 58Miller
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    Who believes it’s too dangerous to have the season?

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Right now there are almost three thousand players on NFL teams. They aren't all practicing the same measures concerning COVID-19. Even when they report, they won't be practicing the same measures off-site.

    Everyone in this country is doing what they think they need to do in order to deal with the situation. There is a war going on for control of information. It is polarized. Each side accuses the other of spin. If it turns out that one or the other was guilty of it, it will be unforgivable. Leaders at the city, county, state and national levels are responsible for doing the best job they can based on the most reliable information they can acquire. Anything less is unacceptable.

    I'm sorry you are so stirred up by this issue. Are there other factors besides your impatience with pro football players? I'm sure there are because this situation is affecting everyone to a greater or lesser degree.

    It would be nice to watch some real time football. The players make it happen and they have a union with a CBA. It is an issue between the owners and the players. The players are dealing with an almost infinitely greater health risk than the owners. If there is football, fine. If it is delayed, fine. If it gets cut short, it will have been predictable. High School football in NM has been delayed until February. We'll see if that happens.

    There are many ways this could play out. I think it would be a good idea for everyone to calm down as much as possible and just observe that over which we have no control.
    Calm breeds calm!

    I’m not stirred up at all Sam, I only expect the players to do what i have done every day since this pandemic has happens and weigh the risk knowing they are safe. Its a very simple issue with her you can afford not to work or you can’t. If players don’t play football because it’s not safe how will the ones who need a check pay their bills, they will have to do something less safe.
    The NFL should try and make it work.
    I believe if you really looks at the numbers the NFL will be fine if they play. Golf, nascar, ufc, German and English soccer, have all showed it can be done safely. If you believe the Covid isnt dangerous and deadly to mainly people of advance age and underlying conditions then I could understand an argument to not play season. Even older coaches can be kept in the booth and coach remotely. Anything worth doing is worth doing right. Only thing the NFL will Lowe is money and popularity.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
    The question is are the players safer at work than on their own?
    Whether football is essential or not isn’t the issue. Russell Wilson for example has enough money he probably doesn’t need to play. But that’s not he issue the players are questioning their health.
    Same players who are working out with other players right now.
    Same players who were peacefully protesting.
    Same players are questioning the nfl’s protocols which include: masks, contact tracing, and regular testing. How is that less safe than what any players day to day is now? If it is than they should definitely not play but if it’s fine for grocery store workers who don’t have the same protocols. It’s easy you think football isn’t safe find a new job that is.
    Right now there are almost three thousand players on NFL teams. They aren't all practicing the same measures concerning COVID-19. Even when they report, they won't be practicing the same measures off-site.

    Everyone in this country is doing what they think they need to do in order to deal with the situation. There is a war going on for control of information. It is polarized. Each side accuses the other of spin. If it turns out that one or the other was guilty of it, it will be unforgivable. Leaders at the city, county, state and national levels are responsible for doing the best job they can based on the most reliable information they can acquire. Anything less is unacceptable.

    I'm sorry you are so stirred up by this issue. Are there other factors besides your impatience with pro football players? I'm sure there are because this situation is affecting everyone to a greater or lesser degree.

    It would be nice to watch some real time football. The players make it happen and they have a union with a CBA. It is an issue between the owners and the players. The players are dealing with an almost infinitely greater health risk than the owners. If there is football, fine. If it is delayed, fine. If it gets cut short, it will have been predictable. High School football in NM has been delayed until February. We'll see if that happens.

    There are many ways this could play out. I think it would be a good idea for everyone to calm down as much as possible and just observe that over which we have no control.

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  • 58Miller
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Due to the polarity of viewpoints on the issue, I hesitate to mention metrics and mitigating factors for COVID-19. Data from recent experience in my state shows that relaxing restrictions led to a big jump in infections for the 20-40 age group. In house dining at restaurants. large gatherings inside and outside, lack of distancing and non-mask wearing are what contributed to the surge.

    An NFL site like Dove Valley could be safe as long as everyone who sets foot there is negative and follows correct procedures when off-site. My daughter who is a nurse at UNMH gets test results in 24-48 hours. Something like that could be available for NFL.

    The problem comes when flying to another city or hosting a team. NFL states of Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, California, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and Washington are currently experiencing upsurges in infections. Arizona, Florida and Texas have increasing numbers of deaths.

    One infected individual on a flight can compromise the aircrew and passengers. Transmitting the virus from city to city is a problem for measures designed to contain it. IDK how realistic it is to expect no transmission from player to player during a game in the event that one is positive. Players who test positive can be quarantined on IR with expanded rosters as a contingency. Players may or may not be able to return after testing negative. The Broncos have five coaches in their sixties and about as many in their fifties. That warrants consideration along with other staff.

    Whether or not the NFL plays games for however long and under what circumstances is not nearly as big an issue as unemployment and health of the whole population of the US. What to do about schools is also a problem far greater than the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL. The loss of sports is an irritant for many and was recognized long ago. The Romans used to say that food and sports entertainment (i.e., "panem et circenses") was needed to keep the masses occupied.
    The question is are the players safer at work than on their own?
    Whether football is essential or not isn’t the issue. Russell Wilson for example has enough money he probably doesn’t need to play. But that’s not he issue the players are questioning their health.
    Same players who are working out with other players right now.
    Same players who were peacefully protesting.
    Same players are questioning the nfl’s protocols which include: masks, contact tracing, and regular testing. How is that less safe than what any players day to day is now? If it is than they should definitely not play but if it’s fine for grocery store workers who don’t have the same protocols. It’s easy you think football isn’t safe find a new job that is.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by broncolee View Post
    It’s ridiculous to claim the league doesn’t have a contingency plan.

    It’s already been reported that they know how late they can start the season and still play 16 games. Presumably they have an idea about a reduced slate of games as well.

    The star veteran players are basically screwing over the other players in order to get what they want without regard to what other players need.
    The contingency plan involves playing games in some fashion whether a full season starting later than normal or a reduced slate of games. I don’t think they have anything set up if they can’t play games. I don’t think they could’ve came up with anything to offset the loss of revenue either. I do think it’s interesting that they don’t seem to have anything set in the CBA for this. I know it’s a rare occurrence but most things have clauses for unforeseen circumstances.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Another thing to look at that I haven’t seen mentioned is if there is a season how will the NFL try to offset the loss of ticket sales? Do they raise the prices of merchandise? Do certain marquee matchups become PPV, highly unlikely but a possibility. Do packages like Sunday ticket see an increase in price? Will the prices for the tickets they can sell be inflated? A potential drive in option?

    The NFL doesn’t want to cancel the season due to the salary cap ramifications. They likely won’t let teams cut star players as evidenced with this strange IR rule that should’ve forced to the Packers to release Aaron Rodgers a few seasons back. Would they force players to take deferred payments? Or might they institute a one off year with a soft cap/luxury tax like system that the NBA employs? Either way I bet the NFL will look at getting set amounts set for contracts to prevent this from happening. Instead of negotiating over numbers they’ll likely be negotiating percentages off the cap based off of years and accolades accrued.

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  • broncolee
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    It’s ridiculous to claim the league doesn’t have a contingency plan.

    It’s already been reported that they know how late they can start the season and still play 16 games. Presumably they have an idea about a reduced slate of games as well.

    The star veteran players are basically screwing over the other players in order to get what they want without regard to what other players need.

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  • samparnell
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    Due to the polarity of viewpoints on the issue, I hesitate to mention metrics and mitigating factors for COVID-19. Data from recent experience in my state shows that relaxing restrictions led to a big jump in infections for the 20-40 age group. In house dining at restaurants. large gatherings inside and outside, lack of distancing and non-mask wearing are what contributed to the surge.

    An NFL site like Dove Valley could be safe as long as everyone who sets foot there is negative and follows correct procedures when off-site. My daughter who is a nurse at UNMH gets test results in 24-48 hours. Something like that could be available for NFL.

    The problem comes when flying to another city or hosting a team. NFL states of Florida, Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, Georgia, North Carolina, California, Wisconsin, Ohio, Indiana and Washington are currently experiencing upsurges in infections. Arizona, Florida and Texas have increasing numbers of deaths.

    One infected individual on a flight can compromise the aircrew and passengers. Transmitting the virus from city to city is a problem for measures designed to contain it. IDK how realistic it is to expect no transmission from player to player during a game in the event that one is positive. Players who test positive can be quarantined on IR with expanded rosters as a contingency. Players may or may not be able to return after testing negative. The Broncos have five coaches in their sixties and about as many in their fifties. That warrants consideration along with other staff.

    Whether or not the NFL plays games for however long and under what circumstances is not nearly as big an issue as unemployment and health of the whole population of the US. What to do about schools is also a problem far greater than the NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL. The loss of sports is an irritant for many and was recognized long ago. The Romans used to say that food and sports entertainment (i.e., "panem et circenses") was needed to keep the masses occupied.
    Last edited by samparnell; 07-20-2020, 10:22 AM. Reason: typo

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  • Dennis.1960
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    But the NFL can’t stop the season, it’s clear they have no contingency plan in place to not play.
    If we experience a 2nd nationwide lockdown (which I believe we're getting closer to every day) the league office will have months and months with nothing better to do than work out that contingency plan

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