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  • Peanut
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    yea yea yea, very insightful. So basically superstars can do what they like. Its ridiculous to pander to these people, who will still insist on getting paid because they are under contract, when the vast majority of the public have to work whatever their family situation. Plus we all know these people won't be avoiding going to the shops or outside for 12 months.

    We had this chat in England before the premier league started 6 weeks ago, but every single player reported and are playing, and the test results are something like 1 or 2 positive out of almost 2000 tests, and the player just sits at home for 2 weeks then comes straight back to action.

    This has happened all over europe and in Australia where I watch the Rugby League.

    With all due respect it is very American to make a big drama. It is no surprise that around the world the big problems in sport in terms of leagues starting, and players reporting for covid and blm, are just coming from the states.

    People will pander and let these players who don't bother playing have excuses. I think its absolutely ridiculous and if teams have any backbone they will put these players in breach of contract.

    Most NFL players haven't stepped on the field since christmas, if they don't play until NEXT september and still get paid it will be a massive slap in the face to everyone who has continued to work.
    "Due respect"? Odd beginning for the statement that follows. According to you (and, yes, the rest of the world apparently), and you've mentioned it a few times, drama is what we do best.

    I don't blame players opting out for the reasons they've stated. Protecting family is a good thing, IMO.

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  • Rich_C
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    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    This is just an extremely naive ignorant response. If they can afford to skip the season why risk their family members health? I’m not talking about players worried about their own health. I’m talking about players with kids who have health conditions and could die from it. How on earth you consider that lazy is beyond me.

    Haven’t the nay sayers been saying “I shouldn’t have to stay home just make the people who are extremely susceptible stay at home and use common sense”?

    Now some players are wanting to use some common sense and not bring it home to a family member they know would be at major risk of not recovering and you call that lazy???

    There’s a big difference between getting on with life and this cold hearted message.
    I agree to a point with bronx's post. If playing in a bubble with limited and restricted interaction is too risky then do should going to restaurants, bars, friends houses, etc. Etc. I am not even saying I disagree with that overly cautious approach. What I am saying is that not returning to work in a highly vigilant workplace should then not equate to that same athlete taking greater risks while "staying at home". Now if they do keep contact limited etc. Then great. I respect that decision.

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  • Capt. Jack
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    Covid-19 could mean life or death to some folks, thats real life. The NFL is still just a game. (In the North east of the U.S. 73,800 People died from Covid-19 in 4 months.)
    Last edited by Capt. Jack; 07-11-2020, 12:10 PM.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    This is just an extremely naive ignorant response. If they can afford to skip the season why risk their family members health? I’m not talking about players worried about their own health. I’m talking about players with kids who have health conditions and could die from it. How on earth you consider that lazy is beyond me.

    Haven’t the nay sayers been saying “I shouldn’t have to stay home just make the people who are extremely susceptible stay at home and use common sense”?

    Now some players are wanting to use some common sense and not bring it home to a family member they know would be at major risk of not recovering and you call that lazy???

    There’s a big difference between getting on with life and this cold hearted message.
    yea yea yea, very insightful. So basically superstars can do what they like. Its ridiculous to pander to these people, who will still insist on getting paid because they are under contract, when the vast majority of the public have to work whatever their family situation. Plus we all know these people won't be avoiding going to the shops or outside for 12 months.

    We had this chat in England before the premier league started 6 weeks ago, but every single player reported and are playing, and the test results are something like 1 or 2 positive out of almost 2000 tests, and the player just sits at home for 2 weeks then comes straight back to action.

    This has happened all over europe and in Australia where I watch the Rugby League.

    With all due respect it is very American to make a big drama. It is no surprise that around the world the big problems in sport in terms of leagues starting, and players reporting for covid and blm, are just coming from the states.

    People will pander and let these players who don't bother playing have excuses. I think its absolutely ridiculous and if teams have any backbone they will put these players in breach of contract.

    Most NFL players haven't stepped on the field since christmas, if they don't play until NEXT september and still get paid it will be a massive slap in the face to everyone who has continued to work.

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  • CanDB
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    The NFL is fortunate in some ways. Having a season end just before the virus took hold, being able to conduct FA and The Draft with challenges, but with relative ease compared to what is going on with other leagues, AND watching as the other leagues start before them. Not saying they have it easy though.

    They will have had ample luck, and opportunity to learn, even though it is a more contact oriented sport than most. Having said that, hockey, basketball and others are pretty close contact as well.

    If the other leagues succeed, I expect them to as well. Then again, I am not even worrying about fans in the stands just yet.

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  • DenverBlood
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    Originally posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    I bet most people who have had to work this whole time wish they could tell their company that they don't want to work and would love to take the year off.

    I imagine these players who can't be bothered to work won't be going outside for the next 12 months then, no restaurants, bars, beaches, parks, gyms, etc........ or interacting with anyone.

    They can hide behind that pathetic excuse as much as they want. Anyone with half a brain can see it for what it is, laziness.
    This is just an extremely naive ignorant response. If they can afford to skip the season why risk their family members health? I’m not talking about players worried about their own health. I’m talking about players with kids who have health conditions and could die from it. How on earth you consider that lazy is beyond me.

    Haven’t the nay sayers been saying “I shouldn’t have to stay home just make the people who are extremely susceptible stay at home and use common sense”?

    Now some players are wanting to use some common sense and not bring it home to a family member they know would be at major risk of not recovering and you call that lazy???

    There’s a big difference between getting on with life and this cold hearted message.

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  • bronx_2003
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    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    Nah I think we are going to have limited capacity all season including playoffs. The limited capacity allows them to only have seating every 6-10 feet apart. Unless a vaccine happens I don’t see them changing that in 2020. I saw where Baltimore at 25% capacity can still hold 14k people. It won’t be as loud as we are used to but it will still give a better feel for the crowd environment. We will be able to hear them on tv.



    There’s already been several saying they probably won’t play. Mainly the ones who have a young kid at home or a family member with a Pre existing condition. It’s not worth the risk to them.
    I bet most people who have had to work this whole time wish they could tell their company that they don't want to work and would love to take the year off.

    I imagine these players who can't be bothered to work won't be going outside for the next 12 months then, no restaurants, bars, beaches, parks, gyms, etc........ or interacting with anyone.

    They can hide behind that pathetic excuse as much as they want. Anyone with half a brain can see it for what it is, laziness.

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  • DenverBlood
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    Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post
    NHL is starting up August 1st too, I feel real confident we'll have a season. Imo, it will be limited fan capacity at 1st then gradually grow
    Nah I think we are going to have limited capacity all season including playoffs. The limited capacity allows them to only have seating every 6-10 feet apart. Unless a vaccine happens I don’t see them changing that in 2020. I saw where Baltimore at 25% capacity can still hold 14k people. It won’t be as loud as we are used to but it will still give a better feel for the crowd environment. We will be able to hear them on tv.

    Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
    I'm hoping and praying this corona crap ends soon. I think that CDC or WHO should call on Von Miller to be on their team . He ate his virus for breakfast . He destroyed it almost as fast as he destroyed Cam Newton lol !!

    On a serious note if these other sports go ahead and play without having to stop it be a great sign . I'm just wondering if there will be players opting out of playing like we've seen in NHL & MLB
    There’s already been several saying they probably won’t play. Mainly the ones who have a young kid at home or a family member with a Pre existing condition. It’s not worth the risk to them.

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  • orange crush75
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    I'm hoping and praying this corona crap ends soon. I think that CDC or WHO should call on Von Miller to be on their team . He ate his virus for breakfast . He destroyed it almost as fast as he destroyed Cam Newton lol !!

    On a serious note if these other sports go ahead and play without having to stop it be a great sign . I'm just wondering if there will be players opting out of playing like we've seen in NHL & MLB

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  • JvDub95
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    Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post
    I’ve been one of the pessimistic ones this whole time but I will say the thing that is giving me hope is if these other leagues do begin play here in a couple of weeks. If MLB and NBA can get under way and get through August without having to halt play again then there would be 0 reason at that point for the NFL not to play.
    NHL is starting up August 1st too, I feel real confident we'll have a season. Imo, it will be limited fan capacity at 1st then gradually grow

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  • DenverBlood
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    I’ve been one of the pessimistic ones this whole time but I will say the thing that is giving me hope is if these other leagues do begin play here in a couple of weeks. If MLB and NBA can get under way and get through August without having to halt play again then there would be 0 reason at that point for the NFL not to play.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Reading the NHL return to play guidelines I'll be watching that with great interest (Go Flames!), they've got such a comprehensive plan laid out, including over 1200 tests every single day. Protocols on if a player tests positive, when they can return, how they can return. They've got separate plans for Asymptomatic positives. And they've got plans for players leaving the bubble to be with their wives of families for a birth or something like that. Each team will have a compliance officer who needs to certify in writing every night by 10 that their team party were all tested and all negative, or positives with the specific plans laid out.

    It will be interesting to see if they can execute it as well as the plan is laid out.

    Unfortunately that won't work for the NFL. But hopefully it'll help the NFL create their own policies that will help the season take place.
    This is actually what I am hoping from all professional. They have the resources available to put forth a much more evolved testing, tracing and some form of controlled exposure than anything we have seen so far. These sports leagues have an opportunity and the resources to show the rest of the world what works...and what does not...while they earn billions in revenue and employees earn money.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    I was talking more about athletes and staff contracting the virus. With the ramp up in most states, it will hit campuses and the athletes. I will be watching to see if it’s just very minimal or enough to hinder teams from participating.
    That's fair. It'll be interesting to see what happens. There's zero doubt that players are going to get it, so it'll be interesting to see how the NFL deals with that, and how many positives are enough to shut it down?

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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    I think it's apples and oranges. With several schools going to online only for the fall, they can't shut the doors to regular students while having student athletes (football players) there to essentially just play football. Especially at colleges where football doesn't pay bills.

    The NFL is only in the business of putting on football games, and they have to only worry about the health of around 100 people (give or take) that are part of the players, coaches, trainers, doctors and equipment staff.

    There's also the fact that most college football programs rely on ticket sales in order to pay for that and many other sports. Without fans they're losing money. Meanwhile the NFL has teams turning a profit without ever selling a ticket because of their TV deals. So playing games without fans is much much easier for the NFL.
    I was talking more about athletes and staff contracting the virus. With the ramp up in most states, it will hit campuses and the athletes. I will be watching to see if it’s just very minimal or enough to hinder teams from participating.

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  • Butler By'Note
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    Originally posted by dgobronco View Post
    I think in general the kinds of controls necessary to sustain a safe season of league play are easier at the pro level than college, in large part because the participants are paid professionals and not college students. That said, I'm sure the NFL is watching the NBA and MLB closely. As a business owner, I'm all too familiar with the CDC guidelines for a safe workplace and what has to happen if someone tests positive and has exposed others. I'm having a hard time believing the NFL can pull it off. They have the $$, but the logistics are daunting, even if you take fans out of the equation and centralize play in one region. I think the best shot at having a season is for active cases and infection rates to be much lower than they are today by the time fall rolls around. But that may be wishful thinking.
    Reading the NHL return to play guidelines I'll be watching that with great interest (Go Flames!), they've got such a comprehensive plan laid out, including over 1200 tests every single day. Protocols on if a player tests positive, when they can return, how they can return. They've got separate plans for Asymptomatic positives. And they've got plans for players leaving the bubble to be with their wives of families for a birth or something like that. Each team will have a compliance officer who needs to certify in writing every night by 10 that their team party were all tested and all negative, or positives with the specific plans laid out.

    It will be interesting to see if they can execute it as well as the plan is laid out.

    Unfortunately that won't work for the NFL. But hopefully it'll help the NFL create their own policies that will help the season take place.

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