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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by GMTD View Post
    My own view is that most sports players just want to play sport. Most don't really want to get involved directly in political causes. They just want to play, entertain and achieve their goals.

    However...how can I say this on a sporting forum...let me chose my words carefully... we live in an imperfect world where in a large number of countries and societies the political space has become crowded by issues of identity, judgments on who really belongs; and in particular attempts to impose a narrow interpretation of a singular, ethnically uniform identity and culture on everyone. Many have been squeezed out of this template approach. Some of those in that space feel that their road is being blocked, or the carpet being pulled from underneath them. As a result they feel they have to speak out to try to stem the tide.

    How this ultimately unfolds is anyones guess.

    As far as sport is concerned though, I believe that the players will try their utmost to continue to play. They just want an acknowledgement that the singular approach will be changed and if possible, reversed. Owners cannot speak for others, and only have limited power to effect change outside of their sport, but they can try to listen and understand the concerns of their staff, and take things forward in a more consensual way.
    i agree I too rather note be talking about this. Wished it never happened.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    Hehehe, funny post!

    They are just overpaid athletes, nothing that special.
    They can play a game, whoopie!
    We are just a bunch of underpaid regular people....nothing special....we can get over not watching a game.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by GMTD View Post
    On the logistical side of things, I have certainly been impressed by how some of these sports have managed to restart seasons where infections are still on the high side in many places. Everyone has had to pull together to make it happen, and maybe that has helped draw players and owners a bit closer together In other ways too.
    I agree with all you say. With so much going against them, and then being subjected to such tight and isolated living arrangements, I can see more bonding and comradery. They often say that road trips are good for teams, and in this case, though a bit different, it's the same concept....in it together.
    Last edited by CanDB; 08-27-2020, 01:34 PM.

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I am not saying it's a done deal, given the nastiness of this pandemic, and I am concerned about all the "to and from" involved with travelling. But so far so good, and knowing these owners (ha ha....not personally), they will do whatever they can to play. So unless there are outbreaks ahead, I can see the season going forward. Recently I was more unsure, as baseball minus hub cities, had a poor start. But they seem back on track.

    In the end, I really like what The NHL and NBA have done with their hub city approaches, and testing. Fingers crossed.
    On the logistical side of things, I have certainly been impressed by how some of these sports have managed to restart seasons where infections are still on the high side in many places. Everyone has had to pull together to make it happen, and maybe that has helped draw players and owners a bit closer together In other ways too.

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  • CanDB
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    I am not saying it's a done deal, given the nastiness of this pandemic, and I am concerned about all the "to and from" involved with travelling. But so far so good, and knowing these owners (ha ha....not personally), they will do whatever they can to play. So unless there are outbreaks ahead, I can see the season going forward. Recently I was more unsure, as baseball minus hub cities, had a poor start. But they seem back on track.

    In the end, I really like what The NHL and NBA have done with their hub city approaches, and testing. Fingers crossed.

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    You are overlooking that not everyone agrees on every topic or has the same level of passion to actively support it.

    The NBA players boycotted because they wanted to see more action from the owners. Should that same standard be demanded of NFL owners and organizations? What if they go against the popular opinion. What happens when an owner ( or teammate) donates to the “wrong” cause?

    IMO there has to be limit of political or social messaging connected to sports. It is a diversion and entertainment from the news. I have no clue what that acceptable line should be, just know I’m getting pretty darn close to it.

    I’m an avid Laker/ NBA fan. I love the playoffs almost as much as football but the saturation of social messaging and commentary is starting to interfere with my enjoyment of the games. To the point of thinking it would be better if they just shut it down . Players don’t want to be there. So why force it.

    Just hope the NFL can find the balance suitable for all to be satisfied with just playing and enjoying a game. Naive of me I know. We shall see!
    My own view is that most sports players just want to play sport. Most don't really want to get involved directly in political causes. They just want to play, entertain and achieve their goals.

    However...how can I say this on a sporting forum...let me chose my words carefully... we live in an imperfect world where in a large number of countries and societies the political space has become crowded by issues of identity, judgments on who really belongs; and in particular attempts to impose a narrow interpretation of a singular, ethnically uniform identity and culture on everyone. Many have been squeezed out of this template approach. Some of those in that space feel that their road is being blocked, or the carpet being pulled from underneath them. As a result they feel they have to speak out to try to stem the tide.

    How this ultimately unfolds is anyones guess.

    As far as sport is concerned though, I believe that the players will try their utmost to continue to play. They just want an acknowledgement that the singular approach will be changed and if possible, reversed. Owners cannot speak for others, and only have limited power to effect change outside of their sport, but they can try to listen and understand the concerns of their staff, and take things forward in a more consensual way.
    Last edited by GMTD; 08-27-2020, 01:21 PM.

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  • Capt. Jack
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    Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    Neither the thinking of just shut up in play. Not just here to entertainment. I'm pretty the players could less what you think they should and shouldn't be allowed to do!
    Hehehe, funny post!

    They are just overpaid athletes, nothing that special.
    They can play a game, whoopie!

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I agree, and I did not mean to overlook. But I think the times are a changin, and therefore my opinion is that we should not be too rigid in terms of who has a voice, or that we should stay the way we were.

    No, I don't want sports to be too opinionated, but in these times, I get it.
    Thanks for understanding

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    You are overlooking that not everyone agrees on every topic or has the same level of passion to actively support it.

    The NBA players boycotted because they wanted to see more action from the owners. Should that same standard be demanded of NFL owners and organizations? What if they go against the popular opinion. What happens when an owner ( or teammate) donates to the “wrong” cause?

    IMO there has to be limit of political or social messaging connected to sports. It is a diversion and entertainment from the news. I have no clue what that acceptable line should be, just know I’m getting pretty darn close to it.

    I’m an avid Laker/ NBA fan. I love the playoffs almost as much as football but the saturation of social messaging and commentary is starting to interfere with my enjoyment of the games. To the point of thinking it would be better if they just shut it down . Players don’t want to be there. So why force it.

    Just hope the NFL can find the balance suitable for all to be satisfied with just playing and enjoying a game. Naive of me I know. We shall see!
    I agree, and I did not mean to overlook. But I think the times are a changin, and therefore my opinion is that we should not be too rigid in terms of who has a voice, or that we should stay the way we were.

    No, I don't want sports to be too opinionated, but in these times, I get it.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post
    A lot of players have lived with this their entire life, hard to move on when it's not changing.
    It's real easy to say get over it when you aren't affected. It could be just as easy to say this is a new generation of players, so you need to get over it and move on and get comfortable with these types of activities.
    thanks for your post!!!!

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    The political and social unrest has no business being in sports.
    Neither the thinking of just shut up in play. Not just here to entertainment. I'm pretty the players could less what you think they should and shouldn't be allowed to do!

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  • FR Tim
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    So true. Sam, you and I are among the old group here, and yet we seem to be talking about changing times as acceptable. Just because it used to be, does not mean it's the right way. Sports are huge business, and their players/owners and others have more of a platform in the world we live in. The times they are a changin. Those with power can use it. And many of those folks are not looking to be elected. They have a voice, and a message, and millions and millions are listening. In fact, I think they have a vital role in setting an example for the youth. Young folks do not always like to follow politics, but they love their sports heroes/role models....and there are many of them in sports.
    You are overlooking that not everyone agrees on every topic or has the same level of passion to actively support it.

    The NBA players boycotted because they wanted to see more action from the owners. Should that same standard be demanded of NFL owners and organizations? What if they go against the popular opinion. What happens when an owner ( or teammate) donates to the “wrong” cause?

    IMO there has to be limit of political or social messaging connected to sports. It is a diversion and entertainment from the news. I have no clue what that acceptable line should be, just know I’m getting pretty darn close to it.

    I’m an avid Laker/ NBA fan. I love the playoffs almost as much as football but the saturation of social messaging and commentary is starting to interfere with my enjoyment of the games. To the point of thinking it would be better if they just shut it down . Players don’t want to be there. So why force it.

    Just hope the NFL can find the balance suitable for all to be satisfied with just playing and enjoying a game. Naive of me I know. We shall see!

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by orange crush75 View Post
    You want to talk about justice , well let's wait and see what the investigation finds out before we fire someone or throw em in jail . Thats how justice is supposed to be. Its not the athletes job to decide if someone should be arrested or not .

    So back to the season being in jeopardy. I'm hoping corona really starts declining so we don't have any hiccups in our season. Really looking forward to seeing our young team develop.
    I think for them its more about the general issue than any specific individual case.

    As for the season, I have held the view throughout that it will take place, perhaps with the odd postponement here and there where a local lockdown occurs. Perhaps there may also be a change to the playoffs with the latter stages taking place at one of two safer venues (which could include Mile High).

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  • orange crush75
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    You want to talk about justice , well let's wait and see what the investigation finds out before we fire someone or throw em in jail . Thats how justice is supposed to be. Its not the athletes job to decide if someone should be arrested or not .

    So back to the season being in jeopardy. I'm hoping corona really starts declining so we don't have any hiccups in our season. Really looking forward to seeing our young team develop.

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  • GMTD
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    I am not sure when I have seen so many interviews with strong, athletic, tough, black men... with tears rolling down their faces as I have of late. These men are pro athletes, and yes, they may be wealthy (so what), but their tears are real. Very sad to see. Such compassion.
    When something really matters to you, it dwarfs everything else.

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