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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    I mean he may have won 1 game. But you also have to look at the teams he was on. They where all pretty garbage. I am pretty sure we have more talent on our team then the lions of last year or 2016-2018 Bengals.
    That wasn’t my point, I wasn’t saying anything bad about Driskel, he’s what we have now and I hope he lights it up. I was saying Shurmur had no business putting him in a position to win the game when Gordon could’ve easily got the first. Your backup QB is in, don’t over complicate it, just hand the ball off.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Driskel is a career backup coming cold off the bench, I think the dude has only ever won 1 start in his career. You can’t expect him to make a play with a free rusher. That’s why it was dumb in the first place to even pass, don’t put your backup QB in that position, just run the ball.
    I mean he may have won 1 game. But you also have to look at the teams he was on. They where all pretty garbage. I am pretty sure we have more talent on our team then the lions of last year or 2016-2018 Bengals.

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  • Taos_Broncomaniac
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    Rookie corner was our "biggest" problem, that drop was pitiful. No speed, no coverage skills, what else is there?

    Backup QB was our bright spot, excited to see him gel with WR's in the next week.

    Let's not run up the middle every time.

    Pass protection was hard to watch...

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Yeah it isn’t like that’s uncommon. Pretty much every 5 wide set will see a 6 man blitz and the QB is responsible for the free rusher. Screen passes invite free rushers. Sometimes the QB has to be responsible for the extra guy.

    The issue was that Driskell didn’t recognize the blitz soon enough. If he did then he probably goes to the decoy route which was Patrick who was wide open. But he didn’t see it quick enough or he thought Gordon would be able to cut quick enough for him to get the pass off. It would’ve been a tough angle either way but it’s probably a TD if he can complete the pass.
    Driskel is a career backup coming cold off the bench, I think the dude has only ever won 1 start in his career. You can’t expect him to make a play with a free rusher. That’s why it was dumb in the first place to even pass, don’t put your backup QB in that position, just run the ball.

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  • BroncosIsLife
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    playoffs? LMAOOOOOOOO

    Were you seriously thinking that for this year?

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    So your take is the play was designed to allow a free rusher on the QB.


    Then when it happened the Qb just stood there and took the sack.
    Yeah it isn’t like that’s uncommon. Pretty much every 5 wide set will see a 6 man blitz and the QB is responsible for the free rusher. Screen passes invite free rushers. Sometimes the QB has to be responsible for the extra guy.

    The issue was that Driskell didn’t recognize the blitz soon enough. If he did then he probably goes to the decoy route which was Patrick who was wide open. But he didn’t see it quick enough or he thought Gordon would be able to cut quick enough for him to get the pass off. It would’ve been a tough angle either way but it’s probably a TD if he can complete the pass.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Nobody. Gordon was the primary so that was one of the few times where he released without chipping and was right. The QB should have “blocked” the free rusher
    So your take is the play was designed to allow a free rusher on the QB.


    Then when it happened the Qb just stood there and took the sack.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    On the last 4th down play of the game on offense for us...who do you think was supposed to block the free runner at the QB?
    Nobody. Gordon was the primary so that was one of the few times where he released without chipping and was right. The QB should have “blocked” the free rusher

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  • HDbroncos02
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    Was pass protection downright horrendous against arguably the best front 7 in the NFL? Yes. Did our weakest link Wilkinson get destroyed by a DPOY candidate? Yes. Is Wilkinson ever going to be starter-worthy material? No. Is a 35-year-old Dotson who couldn’t even beat out Wilkinson in camp realistically going to fare much better? Optimistically, maybe. Is Lock/Driskel not throwing the ball away/holding onto the ball too long/missing open reads hurting our offense too? Yes.

    But here’s a reality check— our chances for the playoffs are extremely slim bordering on nonexistent. Why? Injuries. As of right now, we are without Lock, Lindsay, Sutton, James, Miller, Jones, and Bouye. I don’t care if we have All-Pro offensive linemen at every starting spot, no team is making it to the playoffs with Driskel as the starting QB for a significant portion of the season. With our roster construction, the team is already asking a lot of young, inexperienced players to step up and make an impact— this aspect of our personnel is only exacerbated with the sheer amount of injuries to our key starters. As we start to see the hope of our season take a nosedive, this year will basically turn into a 14-game preseason to really evaluate our young players and see them battle week-in and week-out. Like Risner said, there are no “moral victories”. I just want to see the team stay resilient and play hard no matter how short-handed they become. BUT, as a fan and especially here on BCMB, our expectations need to be tempered— as much as we want our guys to dominate each game. I say this because the notion that our pass-protection alone will stop us from making the postseason is ignoring the much bigger (and quite frankly, grim) picture.

    With all that being said, OT is 100% the biggest need going into the next offseason.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by WYBRONCO View Post
    I mean in reality we were going against the number 1 sack team in football last year. Cushenberry will be just fine but this isn't college so his play will have to step up some. Overcoming a front on pass rush is about impossible for QB's so that is one area we can't break down going forward. Playoffs???? nope not unless we get healthy real quick and everyone, including defense, improves a large amount.
    This is a good point.

    I think there is reason to think the LT, Guards and Center can grow from the game.

    The RT on the other hand was showing this level of play in 2019. I kept it to myself but when they announced he would be competing for the LT I was just

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Didn’t the RB miss the free rusher? Or am I thinking of another play? There were so many free rushers they’ve all blended together lol
    As I recall the RB went out on a route.

    So the question is was he even part of the pass protection?

    We have seemed to have a lot of weak RBs over the years in terms of helping pass protection. I still kind of live in the glory years of Alex Gibbs on that issue tho.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    You'll need to remind me. I dumped the game.
    yea even though I know how to re-watch the game I may not either.

    I need to work on my fantasy choices and pick choices which is why I am watching more other games and less Broncos.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    On the last 4th down play of the game on offense for us...who do you think was supposed to block the free runner at the QB?
    Didn’t the RB miss the free rusher? Or am I thinking of another play? There were so many free rushers they’ve all blended together lol

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Munchak grades each guy after the game. Don't think we get to see those. Wouldn't surprise me if Garrett graded highest. He'd get marked down for that one flag, but that seemed a pretty chintzy call. Cushenberry had his hands full all day. Heyward beat up on him quite a bit in a "welcome to the NFL" moment. His performance might be ranked fourth out of five.
    Even Glasgow had a play to me. I try not to get too much into one play though.

    The difference between LT getting a rough call, Glasgow having a rough play or even Cush having a rough day is least they slowed their guys down on the plays I saw.

    There are times the RT may as well not even be there as he is barely slowing his guy down...on some plays due to the path the defender is taking I am not sure if the RT is even slowing his guy down at all.

    If the grading system is 0-100 the rest of the OL is least making it above 50....the RT does not deserve a score above 15 based on what I am seeing. I was looking over the practice squads and apparently there is over a dozen T on practice squads .... there has to be a better RT out there some where.

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  • WYBRONCO
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    Munchak grades each guy after the game. Don't think we get to see those. Wouldn't surprise me if Garrett graded highest. He'd get marked down for that one flag, but that seemed a pretty chintzy call. Cushenberry had his hands full all day. Heyward beat up on him quite a bit in a "welcome to the NFL" moment. His performance might be ranked fourth out of five.
    I mean in reality we were going against the number 1 sack team in football last year. Cushenberry will be just fine but this isn't college so his play will have to step up some. Overcoming a front on pass rush is about impossible for QB's so that is one area we can't break down going forward. Playoffs???? nope not unless we get healthy real quick and everyone, including defense, improves a large amount.

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