Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

O-Line

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

    ....only if you buy into the PFF grading system for Olinemen
    I don’t buy into the PFF grading system, because they don’t know the players assignments, especially on the line.

    I also don’t buy into the pro bowl selections, they are a popularity contest. If one of our players get on the team I celebrate it just like if they make the weekly pff team.

    Did you think Bolles and Glasgow didn’t have good games?
    sigpic

    Comment


    • Scoring is up and holding penalties are way down. This can't be ignored when considering what to do with Bolles. If this is the "new" NFL, then Bolles is worth every cent to keep him. If this is a 2020 "manipulation" then we may need to make a tough decision.

      https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...y-more-offense
      This article is from a few weeks ago but it has some statistics that really can't be ignored. The lack of holding and the big increase in pass interference definitely indicates the league wants offenses to thrive.
      Personally, I hope we resign him because I believe the NFLs best marketing tool is fantasy football and this league wide scoring increase is here to stay for a while.

      Comment


      • So I just read this and now I wonder was it a mistake not to pick up Bolles 5th Option now?

        https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-bro...es-is-good-now

        Comment


        • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
          I don’t buy into the PFF grading system, because they don’t know the players assignments, especially on the line.

          I also don’t buy into the pro bowl selections, they are a popularity contest. If one of our players get on the team I celebrate it just like if they make the weekly pff team.

          Did you think Bolles and Glasgow didn’t have good games?
          they did ok but 1 game isn't nearly enough to think Bolles has tremendously improved. Bolles has played a little better than last year but I don't see it as a huge improvement yet and it's way to early to start thinking he has done enough to warrant a long term extension. I'll wait until the end, or near the end, of the season to make that decision.
          sigpic

          Comment


          • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
            So I just read this and now I wonder was it a mistake not to pick up Bolles 5th Option now?

            https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-bro...es-is-good-now
            Consensus seemed to be that Garrett Bolles hadn't done anything to justify exercising the fifith year option. Three things happened: option not picked up; announcement that Elijah Wilkinson would "compete" for LT; and, Mike Munchak. In spite of all the personal insults Garrett has endured on this message board, he wants to be a better football player. Guessing that all of this, plus some other things, have contributed to his improvement. Football players and coaches can get better, worse or stay the same.
            "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

            Comment


            • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
              I don’t buy into the PFF grading system, because they don’t know the players assignments, especially on the line.

              I also don’t buy into the pro bowl selections, they are a popularity contest. If one of our players get on the team I celebrate it just like if they make the weekly pff team.

              Did you think Bolles and Glasgow didn’t have good games?
              Between them, Lindsay, Freeman and Spencer averaged 4.25 yards per rushing attempt and Denver ran the ball about 60% of the plays. In order for that to happen, the O-Line must play well, and so they did.

              PFF is a mystery to me. I just record the game on DVR so I can watch each play as many times as I need to see what each O-LIneman did, especially on run plays. PFF can say whatever they want, and many go by what they say, but I just form my own impression based on observation. PFF quantifies O-Line play with numerical values and that's where they lose me.

              Drew Lock was sacked twice. One of those was by John Simon who surprised Graham Glasgow on a stunt, caught him off balance and knocked him on his butt on the way to tackling Drew. That play stood out like a sore thumb and probably embarrassed Graham. He was in position to pick up the stunt, but was a little high and not broken down enough to keep balance. He's tall for a G and tall Guards need to knee bend and break down properly especially on pass protection.

              Denver's O-Line is developing chemistry and unit cohesion more with each game. The sack Glasgow surrendered wasn't because of any miscommunication. It was just bad luck which is fixable. Dalton didn't play second half and Austin filled in and did well. However, in the interest of developing unit cohesion, Dalton needs to return as soon as he is able.
              "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

              Comment


              • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
                So I just read this and now I wonder was it a mistake not to pick up Bolles 5th Option now?

                https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-bro...es-is-good-now
                It was a good thing, it motivated him to improve.

                Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

                Comment


                • Originally posted by samparnell View Post

                  Between them, Lindsay, Freeman and Spencer averaged 4.25 yards per rushing attempt and Denver ran the ball about 60% of the plays. In order for that to happen, the O-Line must play well, and so they did.

                  PFF is a mystery to me. I just record the game on DVR so I can watch each play as many times as I need to see what each O-LIneman did, especially on run plays. PFF can say whatever they want, and many go by what they say, but I just form my own impression based on observation. PFF quantifies O-Line play with numerical values and that's where they lose me.

                  Drew Lock was sacked twice. One of those was by John Simon who surprised Graham Glasgow on a stunt, caught him off balance and knocked him on his butt on the way to tackling Drew. That play stood out like a sore thumb and probably embarrassed Graham. He was in position to pick up the stunt, but was a little high and not broken down enough to keep balance. He's tall for a G and tall Guards need to knee bend and break down properly especially on pass protection.

                  Denver's O-Line is developing chemistry and unit cohesion more with each game. The sack Glasgow surrendered wasn't because of any miscommunication. It was just bad luck which is fixable. Dalton didn't play second half and Austin filled in and did well. However, in the interest of developing unit cohesion, Dalton needs to return as soon as he is able.
                  Sam what do you think is wrong with Dalton besides an Injury. I only ask because I feel that something is amiss with Route 66 This Year I just cannot put a finger on Why is Style of Playing Last Year vs This Year is Off? Last Year he was with out a doubt the Best O-Lineman Denver Drafted Besides Bolles coming into this Year. Now Bolles is looking like a true NFL Starting LT and Route 66 is out of Gas.

                  Comment


                  • Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

                    Sam what do you think is wrong with Dalton besides an Injury. I only ask because I feel that something is amiss with Route 66 This Year I just cannot put a finger on Why is Style of Playing Last Year vs This Year is Off? Last Year he was with out a doubt the Best O-Lineman Denver Drafted Besides Bolles coming into this Year. Now Bolles is looking like a true NFL Starting LT and Route 66 is out of Gas.
                    Real hard to say. The only guy whose analysis I would accept is Mike Munchak's and don't think he's sharing it publicly. O-Line coach is the same, but OC is new. Also new is a rookie Center. That still doesn't explain the breakdown in pass protection schemes and poor technique. I'm sure it's all fixable. At the moment, Dalton must recover from the shoulder injury. He must get back ASAP to continue the building of chemistry and unit cohesion. When he returns, he will be better.
                    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

                    Comment


                    • I think the OL next year has a legit shot for the first time since 2014 of being something good for the team.

                      James may will come back.

                      Regardless a key is we need to get a good young tackle because right now our tackles besides Bolles and James should not even be in the NFL imo. We can draft a young guy and groom him to replace James.

                      Hopefully Cush works out but if he does not we can move Glasgow to Center and play Muti at guard. This path will need a good backup guard. Maybe the backup guard is on the roster...maybe we need to find him.

                      If Cush works out imo all we need to do to have a good offensive line is get a good back up OT. This is the least amount of work needed on the OL since the 2014 off season imo. We actually have a shot to go into 2021 with good OL and depth...at the min we should have a good OL with the need to work on depth.
                      Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

                      Comment


                      • James is a wild card. We have no clue if he comes back in shape and ready to prove himself next year. Or if he has been lounging around the house, binge watching Netflix and using the same excuses I do to avoid working out.

                        Agree they need to bring in a couple OTs. By draft or FA I don’t care, just as long as Wilkerson and Dotson are not ever trotted out onto the field again.

                        The middle of the line should be fine. Risner and Glasgow should be fine. Cush has taken his lumps this year as a rookie but the experience and an off-season to work at getting stronger and work on technique should have prepare him for a better season. He has had his positive moments.

                        Getting to the off-season can only help with this team regrouping from top to bottom.

                        Been a rough year. I’m ready for some playoff intensity and entertainment. Also can’t wait to get back to the unrealistic optimism of the start of a new Bronco season.

                        Comment


                        • Bolles looks like has has turned the corner as our starting LT. We have three guys that should be able to play OG well enough to start and be effective in Risner/Glasgow/Muti. The problem that I keep hearing with Crunchberry at Center is that he lacks functional strength. I've heard this from a few different people, but they also all say that a year of NFL off season work in the gym will fix him up nicely. I think they should draft a guy next year who looks like he could start at RT in the NFL. With the OT field being crowded (as I've heard it to be) there should be a guy available in the 2nd round who can do that. But of course the Broncos haven't done what I wanted as far as drafting OL for several years now so this post of mine right here almost guarantees that we won't do that.
                          Adopt-A-Bronco: Kendell Hinton

                          Comment


                          • Oh and for some reason I have a brain fart half the time and type out Quentin Griffin instead of Quenton Nelson. I wanted the Broncos to draft Quenton Nelson at #5 overall and, as I recall, I said that at the time.
                            Adopt-A-Bronco: Kendell Hinton

                            Comment


                            • O-Line is in good shape going into 2021 season. Munchak has them playing well. Need rookie T to develop IMO, but beyond that the depth seems good. There was improvement in 2020 which can be carried into 2021.
                              "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

                              Comment


                              • Originally posted by samparnell View Post
                                O-Line is in good shape going into 2021 season. Munchak has them playing well. Need rookie T to develop IMO, but beyond that the depth seems good. There was improvement in 2020 which can be carried into 2021.
                                I don't trust James. And, Cushenberry can get torched quite a bit. The real blocking issue is team blocking. Often RB's miss blitzers, o-linemen are double-teaming one guy while another runs by untouched (usually on the right side of the line), and TE's release quickly then don't turn around quick enough to keep the QB out of trouble.

                                BTW, I admit I'm impressed with Bolles improvement. Last year, he was doing the same crap of getting turned too quickly, dropping his hands, then using a choke hold while he was getting burned. This year his technique has been much better. Was it worth waiting 4 years for? Ummm....I don't think so. But at least he seems to have figured it out.

                                Comment

                                Working...
                                X