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  • Bolles and Glasgow made the all PFF team for Week 6!

    ( Shelby Harris & Bradley Chubb also made it!)
    https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-...wards-and-more
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    • Originally posted by L.M. View Post
      The lower performance of the guards has to be connected to Cushenberry's rookie struggles but he'll be alright, just like Jeudy, Lock et al. Growing pains.

      As for Bolles, he did struggle in previous seasons and complaints about that were not limited to fans. Uncharacteristically, Elway called him out last year and so did Fangio. I think a lot of people have forgotten that.
      See:
      https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ding-penalties
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      https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/...tarter-in-2020

      This is one reason quite a few mocks and experts had us drafting a tackle in rounds one or two.

      I think he's doing better for two reasons: first his resolve to be a better player which he announced at the beginning of the season. He's trying harder to improve, and I think some credit should be given for that. Secondly, the officiating has lightened up on offensive holding which has led to higher scoring (and more entertaining) games across the League and so he and other tackles can get away with more holding without drawing flags.

      Two people offered articles about that in this thread:

      Bolles Misunderstood



      Cushenberry is improving with each game which is all you can ask from a rookie starter. In his second year, Dalton Risner is having some problems, but those aren't as disturbing as Graham Glasgow's. He's supposed to be a veteran providing leadership, but he's been blown up a couple of times like the sack he gave up to #55, John Simon. Growing pains wouldn't apply to him or Risner, but developing unit cohesion might. They need to play together in order to achieve that.
      "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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      • Originally posted by 58Miller View Post
        Bolles and Glasgow made the all PFF team for Week 6!

        ( Shelby Harris & Bradley Chubb also made it!)
        https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-week-6-...wards-and-more
        Good on them. Good that they are getting the recognition.

        Gratz boys!!

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        • Originally posted by fraguela09 View Post

          Nobody regrets DEN waking away from 1983 draft with John Elway. Chris Hinton (OG) and Bruce Matthews (OT) also went in top 10...

          You always take the franchise QB if it’s there... we should learn from 2 years ago when we took Chubb over Allen and Jax.
          unless you think you have one then you don't draft one..

          Also I feel you could say about any position is a 50/50 nature. The real thing with oline i think at ot. That 80% of them in the playoffs was drafted in the first round last year. I don't think we build a good oline with out drafting ots well.

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          • Originally posted by CanDB View Post

            Good on them. Good that they are getting the recognition.

            Gratz boys!!
            Bolles has had a lot of recognition. This happens to be the right kind

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            • Originally posted by Rastic View Post

              Bolles has had a lot of recognition. This happens to be the right kind
              I hope he continues to be a factor and a force. Poor guy took a lot of criticism, and still kept on ticking!

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              • Originally posted by RockWarrior84 View Post
                I hate to say this but I think Bolles has finally developed into a starting LT. Per PFF is he is broncos highest graded player. If he continues to be a solid LT does he stay? Most players Elways let’s test FA market and leaves with gaping holes for random FAs to fill.
                I disagree. He is still a below average OT, he just isn't having the holding penalties. People really have to stop using PFF to rank Olinemen, their stats are horrible. Even using those, saying he is the highest rated player out of a group of bad players doesn't make him good.

                The Broncos Oline as a whole is bottom 3-5 in the league.


                EDIT:

                just looked up some team stats on ESPN. Run blocking win rate: 66%, ranked 31st. pass blocking win rate: 45%, ranked 31st.

                No idea how accurate or viable these stats are though.
                Last edited by broncos SB2010; 10-22-2020, 09:02 AM.
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                • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

                  I disagree. He is still a below average OT, he just isn't having the holding penalties. People really have to stop using PFF to rank Olinemen, their stats are horrible. Even using those, saying he is the highest rated player out of a group of bad players doesn't make him good.

                  The Broncos Oline as a whole is bottom 3-5 in the league.


                  EDIT:

                  just looked up some team stats on ESPN. Run blocking win rate: 66%, ranked 31st. pass blocking win rate: 45%, ranked 31st.

                  No idea how accurate or viable these stats are though.
                  I had to miss some of the game so I am not the right guy I suppose, but most of what I saw was Lock having pretty good protection and Lindsay rushing for 100 plus yards, against one of the better Ds in the league. I guess I am saying that, other than what I missed, I liked the "eye test".

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                  • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

                    I disagree. He is still a below average OT, he just isn't having the holding penalties. People really have to stop using PFF to rank Olinemen, their stats are horrible. Even using those, saying he is the highest rated player out of a group of bad players doesn't make him good.

                    The Broncos Oline as a whole is bottom 3-5 in the league.


                    EDIT:

                    just looked up some team stats on ESPN. Run blocking win rate: 66%, ranked 31st. pass blocking win rate: 45%, ranked 31st.

                    No idea how accurate or viable these stats are though.
                    Football Outsiders 2020 NFL OFFENSIVE LINE RATINGS has Denver's Run Blocking at 30th, Pass Protection 25th.

                    Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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                    • Hope we get to see Netane Multi this week with Eisner out.

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                      • Originally posted by L.M. View Post

                        Football Outsiders 2020 NFL OFFENSIVE LINE RATINGS has Denver's Run Blocking at 30th, Pass Protection 25th.
                        Not so good after all, but I believe that if Lock stays healthy, we will see some improvement, just like we did with the O when he took over last year. He helps the Oline by throwing quickly thanks to his release capability, and with his athleticism. And if his passing game is where I think it can be, I expect a better run game as a result. I believe Olines need QBs to help out and vice versa. So many times you see Wilson, Mahomes, Jackson, Murray, and others turn nothing into something, which wears down Ds, and makes for better oline stats.

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                        • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

                          I disagree. He is still a below average OT, he just isn't having the holding penalties. People really have to stop using PFF to rank Olinemen, their stats are horrible. Even using those, saying he is the highest rated player out of a group of bad players doesn't make him good.

                          The Broncos Oline as a whole is bottom 3-5 in the league.


                          EDIT:

                          just looked up some team stats on ESPN. Run blocking win rate: 66%, ranked 31st. pass blocking win rate: 45%, ranked 31st.

                          No idea how accurate or viable these stats are though.
                          How exactly is Bolles still a below average OT?

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                          • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

                            How exactly is Bolles still a below average OT?
                            how exactly isn't he is a better question.
                            What has he really improved at? Not much from what I can see. Still pretty bad at pass blocking and is marginal at run blocking.

                            let me guess...you are using PFF grades for your assumption of his big improvement?
                            Last edited by broncos SB2010; 10-22-2020, 12:59 PM.
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                            • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

                              how exactly isn't he is a better question.
                              What has he really improved at? Not much from what I can see. Still pretty bad at pass blocking and is marginal at run blocking.

                              let me guess...you are using PFF grades for your assumption of his big improvement?
                              Here you go, and these guys absolutely hammer Bolles at every chance.

                              https://www.milehighreport.com/2020/...es-improvement

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                              • Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

                                how exactly isn't he is a better question.
                                What has he really improved at? Not much from what I can see. Still pretty bad at pass blocking and is marginal at run blocking.

                                let me guess...you are using PFF grades for your assumption of his big improvement?
                                No I’m not using PFF grades, he’s improved in a lot of areas. The article Butler linked sums it up very well.

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