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  • FR Tim
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    The James issue is the wild card in any plan for the Oline.

    Broncos are too heavily invested financially in him to not include him. Problem is if James is going to return in shape or with any passion to be the RT?

    I honestly think the G/ C spots are solid and will only get better as chemistry builds. Bolles is the LT. The mystery remains James.

    Im expecting a defense heavy draft. With ILB/CB as the most likely in the first. Possibly an Edge Rusher if Broncos choose to let Miller go. But would hope the Broncos add some talent to develop at OT in the second or third rd. Maybe adding another in a later rd as a deeper prospect?

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  • beastlyskronk
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    I think Wilkinson showed enough in that final stretch for them to convince themselves they don’t need a first round OT. Wilkinson did have some impressive pass sets, at least movement wise. He bends at the waist a good bit so he gets beat at the point of attack but I think Munchak will believe he can coach that out of him. Calvin Anderson also showed some impressive movement skills for an OT but much like Wilkinson he can get caught bending at the waist.

    I do think we should target an OT in the first (depending on if Parsons is available), but I just don’t think they will unless Sewell drops to us or within trade up range.

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  • Banner29
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    They obviously need to add depth. Particularly at RT. I would say as early as the second round. You just can’t count on James to produce or even be out there for that matter.

    I like Cush, he has growing pains but it was a good learning experience, love that he started all 16 games. He should come back next year better with a year under his belt. That said I wouldn’t hesitate adding a center somewhere in the draft.

    They got a good set of Guards, both had their share of problems this year but I would expect a rebound. I like having Muti around in the even one of them gets injured/regresses. I think he could be starting as early as 2022 if they are looking for cheaper options if Glasgow doesn’t have a better year.

    I would like to see them add at least 3 OL in the draft, guys with high ceilings that Munch can coach up. For once Elway and the new GM need to focus on that unit more than anything else in the draft.

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  • Kyousukeneko
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    I agree with you. We need another OT....preferably a 2nd one we would consider promoting off the PS should James get hurt and the next guy sucks.

    Not sure if Cush will work out at Center. Think he still needs to grow. We can shuffle the inside guys around and get another guard if need.

    We are much better off now at the OL than we have been since even our SB year of 2015 imo.
    I actually like cush at center and mutivas a back up for either guard risner and Glasgow are good guards we just need a rt.

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Yea OL is pretty solid right now, they've had some stumped, but they are young.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    O-Line is in good shape going into 2021 season. Munchak has them playing well. Need rookie T to develop IMO, but beyond that the depth seems good. There was improvement in 2020 which can be carried into 2021.
    I agree with you. We need another OT....preferably a 2nd one we would consider promoting off the PS should James get hurt and the next guy sucks.

    Not sure if Cush will work out at Center. Think he still needs to grow. We can shuffle the inside guys around and get another guard if need.

    We are much better off now at the OL than we have been since even our SB year of 2015 imo.

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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post
    O-Line is in good shape going into 2021 season. Munchak has them playing well. Need rookie T to develop IMO, but beyond that the depth seems good. There was improvement in 2020 which can be carried into 2021.
    I don't trust James. And, Cushenberry can get torched quite a bit. The real blocking issue is team blocking. Often RB's miss blitzers, o-linemen are double-teaming one guy while another runs by untouched (usually on the right side of the line), and TE's release quickly then don't turn around quick enough to keep the QB out of trouble.

    BTW, I admit I'm impressed with Bolles improvement. Last year, he was doing the same crap of getting turned too quickly, dropping his hands, then using a choke hold while he was getting burned. This year his technique has been much better. Was it worth waiting 4 years for? Ummm....I don't think so. But at least he seems to have figured it out.

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  • samparnell
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    O-Line is in good shape going into 2021 season. Munchak has them playing well. Need rookie T to develop IMO, but beyond that the depth seems good. There was improvement in 2020 which can be carried into 2021.

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  • listopencil
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    Oh and for some reason I have a brain fart half the time and type out Quentin Griffin instead of Quenton Nelson. I wanted the Broncos to draft Quenton Nelson at #5 overall and, as I recall, I said that at the time.

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  • listopencil
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    Bolles looks like has has turned the corner as our starting LT. We have three guys that should be able to play OG well enough to start and be effective in Risner/Glasgow/Muti. The problem that I keep hearing with Crunchberry at Center is that he lacks functional strength. I've heard this from a few different people, but they also all say that a year of NFL off season work in the gym will fix him up nicely. I think they should draft a guy next year who looks like he could start at RT in the NFL. With the OT field being crowded (as I've heard it to be) there should be a guy available in the 2nd round who can do that. But of course the Broncos haven't done what I wanted as far as drafting OL for several years now so this post of mine right here almost guarantees that we won't do that.

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  • FR Tim
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    James is a wild card. We have no clue if he comes back in shape and ready to prove himself next year. Or if he has been lounging around the house, binge watching Netflix and using the same excuses I do to avoid working out.

    Agree they need to bring in a couple OTs. By draft or FA I don’t care, just as long as Wilkerson and Dotson are not ever trotted out onto the field again.

    The middle of the line should be fine. Risner and Glasgow should be fine. Cush has taken his lumps this year as a rookie but the experience and an off-season to work at getting stronger and work on technique should have prepare him for a better season. He has had his positive moments.

    Getting to the off-season can only help with this team regrouping from top to bottom.

    Been a rough year. I’m ready for some playoff intensity and entertainment. Also can’t wait to get back to the unrealistic optimism of the start of a new Bronco season.

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  • Hadez
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    I think the OL next year has a legit shot for the first time since 2014 of being something good for the team.

    James may will come back.

    Regardless a key is we need to get a good young tackle because right now our tackles besides Bolles and James should not even be in the NFL imo. We can draft a young guy and groom him to replace James.

    Hopefully Cush works out but if he does not we can move Glasgow to Center and play Muti at guard. This path will need a good backup guard. Maybe the backup guard is on the roster...maybe we need to find him.

    If Cush works out imo all we need to do to have a good offensive line is get a good back up OT. This is the least amount of work needed on the OL since the 2014 off season imo. We actually have a shot to go into 2021 with good OL and depth...at the min we should have a good OL with the need to work on depth.

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  • samparnell
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

    Sam what do you think is wrong with Dalton besides an Injury. I only ask because I feel that something is amiss with Route 66 This Year I just cannot put a finger on Why is Style of Playing Last Year vs This Year is Off? Last Year he was with out a doubt the Best O-Lineman Denver Drafted Besides Bolles coming into this Year. Now Bolles is looking like a true NFL Starting LT and Route 66 is out of Gas.
    Real hard to say. The only guy whose analysis I would accept is Mike Munchak's and don't think he's sharing it publicly. O-Line coach is the same, but OC is new. Also new is a rookie Center. That still doesn't explain the breakdown in pass protection schemes and poor technique. I'm sure it's all fixable. At the moment, Dalton must recover from the shoulder injury. He must get back ASAP to continue the building of chemistry and unit cohesion. When he returns, he will be better.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by samparnell View Post

    Between them, Lindsay, Freeman and Spencer averaged 4.25 yards per rushing attempt and Denver ran the ball about 60% of the plays. In order for that to happen, the O-Line must play well, and so they did.

    PFF is a mystery to me. I just record the game on DVR so I can watch each play as many times as I need to see what each O-LIneman did, especially on run plays. PFF can say whatever they want, and many go by what they say, but I just form my own impression based on observation. PFF quantifies O-Line play with numerical values and that's where they lose me.

    Drew Lock was sacked twice. One of those was by John Simon who surprised Graham Glasgow on a stunt, caught him off balance and knocked him on his butt on the way to tackling Drew. That play stood out like a sore thumb and probably embarrassed Graham. He was in position to pick up the stunt, but was a little high and not broken down enough to keep balance. He's tall for a G and tall Guards need to knee bend and break down properly especially on pass protection.

    Denver's O-Line is developing chemistry and unit cohesion more with each game. The sack Glasgow surrendered wasn't because of any miscommunication. It was just bad luck which is fixable. Dalton didn't play second half and Austin filled in and did well. However, in the interest of developing unit cohesion, Dalton needs to return as soon as he is able.
    Sam what do you think is wrong with Dalton besides an Injury. I only ask because I feel that something is amiss with Route 66 This Year I just cannot put a finger on Why is Style of Playing Last Year vs This Year is Off? Last Year he was with out a doubt the Best O-Lineman Denver Drafted Besides Bolles coming into this Year. Now Bolles is looking like a true NFL Starting LT and Route 66 is out of Gas.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    So I just read this and now I wonder was it a mistake not to pick up Bolles 5th Option now?

    https://www.espn.com/blog/denver-bro...es-is-good-now
    It was a good thing, it motivated him to improve.

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