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  • #16
    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    And Tennessee lost their big name RT and have drastically improved. Olinemen are about as big of a crap shoot as QB is now. The lack of contact in practice hurts but it only compounds the issue that olinemen are coming into the NFL without ever doing anything that’ll translate. Outside of physical development there is very little difference between HS and college.

    Absolutely. So many NCAA teams have their o-lineman just cut block on every pass attempt. Either take the defender down, or get him to put his hands down so the ball can get through. That's why if I were a GM (and even I'm glad they I'm not ever going to be) I would have a strict rule that I want o-linemen from schools that run pro style offences.

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    • #17
      here's a crazy tid bit. Rivers was pressured an avg 14 times a game with the Chargers . 3 games in with the Colts and been pressured a total of 17 times.

      I'm really hoping we focus on our line this draft.

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      • #18
        Alex Gibbs coached a 100% pure zone stepped rushing attack in Denver from 1995 through 2003. I think other teams tried to copy that back then.

        Over time, defenses figured out ways to neutralize the zone series. Gibbs may have contributed to that. He went to Atlanta in 2004 to coach their O-Line. The Falcons came to Denver that year and they held the Broncos to 68 yards rushing on 19 attempts. Jake Plummer threw 55 passes for 499 yards, 4 TDs and 3 picks. Denver lost 28-41. Have suspected that Gibbs helped Atlanta's D figure a way to defend the zone series rushing attack.

        Atlanta defended zone steps using a jam and slide/build a wall technique mirroring the O-Line and put a defender in the cutback lane plus one at ball depth. It's similar to the way 3-3-5/33 Stack plays run D. I had seen the method used by the Falcons that day in Denver several years before at the high school level.

        NFL teams eventually realized that the LOS must sometimes be attacked directly via angle blocking which tries to outnumber the D at POA using down blocks and pullers. It seems that most NFL rushing attacks now are mixtures of zone step and angle blocked plays. Many college O-Linemen come to the NFL from offenses that use no angle blocking.

        There are a lot of different kinds of blocks used in an angle blocked rushing attack (e.g., drive, base, base away, double, down, double down, chip, double down chip, fold, scoop, reach, pull to trap, pull to seal, pull to escort, pull to lead, pull to kickout, influence) and if a rookie O-Lineman hasn't been coached to do them in college, his learning curve will be steep. Seems that it would be easier to teach an angle blocking rookie to zone step, rather than teach a zone step rookie how to angle block at the NFL level. Some O-Line coaches think the most difficult block to master is the down block.

        College zone blocking used in option offenses is somewhat different than that used by most NFL teams in that in college option attacks there is an unblocked defender, the read guy. Some NFL teams like Baltimore and New England are running their QB more, but haven't seen enough to tell exactly how they block it. Then, there was Jeff Driskel last night running PAR (play action run )
        "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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        • #19
          The main reason I posted this thread was that I was reminiscing about the 90s team, and how good I felt every week with that group of Oliners. I was so confident in the team back then, for various reasons for sure, but that Oline was amazing!!

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          • #20
            success starts in the trenches

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            • #21
              Always build from inside out. Shrewd free agent signings and late round drafting, then complimented with opportune trades.

              Look at impact RT Schwartz has in KC!

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              • #22
                Part of it is having the talent. Part of it is having the coaches who best use the talent.

                One of the biggest evolutions of that team was Alex Gibbs convincing Shanahan how good the team was in running the ball and how to take advantage of it. We went from a team in 96 that would call pass plays in a lot of key situations to a team in 97 that would run the ball on 3rd and 5-6 and convert.

                KC is the platinum standard. Not just because of their Qb but the way they have gathered talent for the offense, design the plays and run the offense on game day. It is helped greatly that for many years they have had the same mind in running the offense so essentially they been building on top of the same mind set year after year. As opposed to some teams who blow things up every year or two and then have a whole new mind set to draft players and develop players around.
                Last edited by Hadez; 10-03-2020, 07:41 AM.
                Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Hadez View Post
                  Part of it is having the talent. Part of it is having the coaches who best use the talent.

                  One of the biggest evolutions of that team was Alex Gibbs convincing Shanahan how good the team was in running the ball and how to take advantage of it. We went from a team in 96 that would call pass plays in a lot of key situations to a team in 97 that would run the ball on 3rd and 5-6 and convert.

                  KC is the platinum standard. Not just because of their Qb but the way they have gathered talent for the offense, design the plays and run the offense on game day. It is helped greatly that for many years they have had the same mind in running the offense so essentially they been building on top of the same mind set year after year. As opposed to some teams who blow things up every year or two and then have a whole new mind set to draft players and develop players around.
                  I agree. KC has a solid plan, including the attributes you mention - gather talent and design for them. And they have made it a point to sign the players they believe in, even at a stiff price. Apparently the players are thinking team, even though they are being richly rewarded. I still like the pick at 32, adding an instant talent in the backfield, to maintain their assault of opponents' Ds. Yes, all these salaries may catch up, though other top QBS are getting paid pretty nicely as well, but if you win a couple of SBs, it is worth the ride.

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