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  • Johnny Law Man
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    Let's not forget that the rules were enforced differently back in '77/'78...

    Now, the NFL has made sure that scoring is through the roof...

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  • GuitarJ
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    Excellent post Top

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  • theshiverman
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    Originally posted by Big Bad John
    I know that it's a pretty tall order, but I think that they can...

    At least talent-wise...

    IMO, we have more talent on Defense than dare-I-say ever...

    I think that the weakest link in our Defense is John Lynch...Assuming that Nick Ferguson starts at the other Safety, I expect him to "lay the wood" like Kenoy did and run with a receiver downfield, like Kenoy didn't...
    Our Linebackers are solid...any one of Wilson, Williams or Gold could lead this team in tackles, or make the Pro-Bowl...Sykes and Chukwurah are formidable reserves...
    Champ Bailey is Champ Bailey...I feel that he had a sub-par season last season and having spent a year on our Defense will benefit from at the very least, knowing the personel...He played opposite Lenny last year for a couple of games...and having a guy like Ferguson back there who is interested in making plays on the ball more-so than hunting heads ala Kenoy Kennedy should benefit Champ...Oh, yeah...and I expect us to have a pass-rush as well...
    We are loaded with Rookies and Roc Alexander for depth...I wouldn't be surprised to see us pick up a journeyman CB either...
    On the line we have two potential starters in their contract years...(C.Brown, G. Warren)..Pryce is the catalyst here, IMO...IF Trevor can play to 80% of his potential, this line will wreak havoc on opposing Offenses...Just as the enigma that is our Defensive Line is perplexing to us, it is a scouting nightmare for Offensive game-planning...
    Dont forget we got that Moss stopper Lenny Walls, Moss is shaking in his sneakers as we speak...lol

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  • topscribe
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    Well . . .

    To come up to the juggernauts of the 1977 and 1978 teams and the teams of the mid-1980s is a tall order indeed. And we must not forget that defense of 1998, which seems rarely mentioned. However, I do believe the Broncos are forming a defense that very much has the potential to attain and maybe even exceed those teams.

    We do have some question marks, of course, the most notable and discussed being the defensive line. As Trevor Pryce remarked, it has the most talent of memory. The ensemble of Courtney Brown, Luther Elliss, Gerard Warren, Ebenezer Ekuban, and, of course, Pryce gives us five former first-round draft choices to begin, and it is consensus the talent is still there. Add to that Mario Fatafehi, Michael Myers, the suddenly promising Aaron Hunt, and newly acquired, speedy John Engelberger. As Pryce also mentioned, all this talent must gel and play like they want it. (This was also implied here in another post by Jrhampton.) If they do, however, this line has possibilities few in the NFL have had, let alone the Broncos.

    As Lvbronx adeptly pointed out, the linebackers are not necessarily the best we've had. I'm not sure anyone has had a better corps than the group composed of Randy Gradishar, Joe Rizzo, Bob Swenson, and Tom Jackson. The Meckenburg-led group of 1986 and surrounding years were no slouches, either. However, as noted by BBJ, the talent of the present group runs deep. The trio of Wilson, Gold, and D.J. Williams are so good that players who would be starters for many other teams, Terry Pierce and Jashon Sykes, are riding the bench. Chukwurah may be developing into a good enough linebacker to be one of those starters, too. Then we have a very fast Markus Steele sitting there, who has yet to find the opportunity to show what he can really do. Top to bottom, this has got to be one of the deepest linebacking corps ever.

    At starting positions at cornerback, we are in excellent shape. It was pointed out that Champ Bailey had a down year in 2004. But I contend his only problems comprised a lack of pass rush. He is still the best CB in football. We also have a very capable Lenny Walls, who was our #1 until Bailey's arrival, at the other position. Beyond them is where we run into our real question marks. Who will be our nickel? Or dime? We certainly have the talent, especially in Foxworth. And we must not count out Roc Alexander . . . . the likes of Champ Bailey hasn't. Then, of course, we have talented and fast, but raw, Paymah and Darrent Williams. One thing for sure: That group will do nothing to hurt the team's overall speed. It is only at this position that I was sorry to see someone go, namely Herndon. He was not the greatest CB, but he took a great deal of experience with him.

    At safety, we have our present-day Atwater in John Lynch, and we have unloaded the Atwater-pretender in Kennedy. Putting the relatively speedy, ball-hawking Ferguson in there was a sudden upgrade. Coming up fast on the inside are Brandon Browner and Jeremy LeSueur, who have the speed, size, and physicality to be a very good safeties if they can develop the field awareness.

    One of the biggest differences in our defense will be the improvement of our special teams. The additions of Sauerbrun, D. Williams, Keith Burns, the three new cornerbacks with all their speed, and Gold hopefully will present the team with field position they have not enjoyed in recent years. An improvement in possession time, largely the responsibility of the offense, which has apparently improved, will also help.

    The Broncos have all the ingredients to form the greatest Bronco defense, and perhaps one of the great NFL defenses, of all time. Whether they can put it all together remains to be seen.

    IMHO.

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    Last edited by topscribe; 07-27-2005, 10:56 AM.

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  • Ravage!!!
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    The best EVER?? wow. Thats a tall order.

    I think our defense was majorly over-rated last season. I think our weak schedule helped out the "ranking" by a ton. So do I think that we can make up for the lack last year, and thus improve to be the best Bronco Defense ever?? No.

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  • Jrhampton
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    Probably not, but they have a lot of potential.

    If all the players bring their best game the number of #1 draft choices we have on this squad, could bring a great year and if we stay healthy.

    The ST needs to give them better field position than last year. A big punt return cost us the JAX game only had to cover 38 yards for the TD. Only time all day they got past our 40 yards line the defense was superb that day.

    Browncos need to live up to their draft hype. price needs to play like he did before he got the big contract.

    DJ needs to adjust to a position he has never played. Gold needs to be a better player he was before he left DEN. I have never thought him to be that great. He made a lot of plays because he was trailing the play, with his speed. Wilson should be his usual self.

    We need to have ONE safety that can ball hawk and play deep coverage my guess BROWNER here. He is a good to great CB without CB speed. John will play the run well and create doubt in the minds of those WR and TE that dare to come into Lynch country.

    I'm not at all worried about Champ and his coverage skills. Will he get beat from time to time. Name one CB that has not, it is not about him. His lack of concentration it is about him ALWAYS playing the other teams best WR or TE. The odds are small, but with a great route and a perfect pass NO CB can shut down a GREAT WR all the time. Add to that bad weather and the offense has a slight edge. Walls needs to play at the level he did in 2003.

    Alot of things need to fall into place for this team to be the best ever. But they have the potential, to best just that.

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  • Bulldawg
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    this defense is'nt great enough yet although they do have alot of good players

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  • Denver'sChamp
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    There are several thing s need to happen before the defense will be great.

    1. Defensive line needs to produce pressure.
    2. Feurgerson has coverage ball hawking safety.
    3. Champ has to concentrate better and don't under estimate his opponents.
    4. Coyer has to be creative. he needs to use more variety of defensive schemes.
    5. We need another vetern corner.

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  • lvbronx
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    Here's a little more ammo for the Orange Crush:

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/sta.../bucs_offense/

    Still, only one team has played in the Super Bowl despite averaging fewer than 20 points a game in the regular season -- the 1977 Denver Broncos, who averaged 19.6 and had the "Orange Crush" defense.

    Is this defense good enough to get us to the Superbowl if our offense only averages 19.6 points this year?

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  • OrangeShadow
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    We need more depth in the secondary

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  • lvbronx
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    Actually, TJ did run a 4.4 out of Lousiville, and Lee Corso, his college coach, said TJ was the best player in school history, which would include Johnny Unitas.

    Bob Swenson was actually faster than TJ, before a serious knee injury. But DJ Williams is bigger than either Swenson or TJ.

    College legend Woody Hayes called Gradishar the best player he ever coached, and Hayes coached Archie Griffin, the only two-time Heisman and team mate of Gradishar's.

    Ray Lewis barely broke 200 tackles in the 3-4 last year, but that's what Gradishar averaged for his entire career. Al Wilson isn't close to being a Gradishar, with all due respect to Al.

    As far as "going anywhere", the Orange Crush was the only team to make the Superbowl without John Elway, and they didn't do it with offense...

    This D needs to carry this team to a Superbowl to be compared to the Orange Crush, IMO.
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  • Cali27
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    Best Broncos D ever

    There is sure alot of talent on the team, the older teams had talent too, but were they all on the same squad. Theres always talent but the only defense that had talent that went anywhere is 97', 98' Denver. This squad has the players to be that team, but do they have the craving to be the best like the 97', 98' teams.

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  • KnightOLB53
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    Yea i agree Gold and Dj ran pretty close to Tj. And i agree with Dark Knight we need a vet corner back. The corner backs we r going with do not have much experience except for Champ and Walls. The rest have like 2 years or less. I hope Nick does good but i dont know i think are safteys r not great.

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  • Mat'hir Uth Gan
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    Originally posted by lvbronx
    The Orange Crush of the late 70s...

    This D has a loooong way to go to be compared to the Orange Crush.

    Anyone that watched Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Louie Wright, Lyle Alzado, Ruben Carter, Barney Chavous, Steve Foley, Bob Swenson, Billy Tompson has to know that the D was special...

    Our leading tackler now will be lucky to be within 100 tackles of Gradishar's season totals and not taking anything away from Champ, he didn't play as well as Louie Wright...And none of today's LBs are any faster than TJ or Swenson. TJ ran a 4.4/4.5 back in those days. And Steve Foley is our all-time interceptions leader.

    Today's D will need to play very well for 4 or 5 years to be considered our best...

    Not to mention, Lyle Alazdo got beat up by Ali. Trevor Pryce has to at least box Tyson...

    Great post. Agree on everything except the LBing speed.

    Gold is at a 4.50, Williams is at a 4.52. But TJ may very well have been faster, though not by too much.

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  • ChampsTheMan24
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    Originally posted by lvbronx
    The Orange Crush of the late 70s...

    This D has a loooong way to go to be compared to the Orange Crush.

    Anyone that watched Gradishar, Tom Jackson, Louie Wright, Lyle Alzado, Ruben Carter, Barney Chavous, Steve Foley, Bob Swenson, Billy Tompson has to know that the D was special...

    Our leading tackler now will be lucky to be within 100 tackles of Gradishar's season totals and not taking anything away from Champ, he didn't play as well as Louie Wright...And none of today's LBs are any faster than TJ or Swenson. TJ ran a 4.4/4.5 back in those days. And Steve Foley is our all-time interceptions leader.

    Today's D will need to play very well for 4 or 5 years to be considered our best...

    Not to mention, Lyle Alazdo got beat up by Ali. Trevor Pryce has to at least box Tyson...
    Yea ill agree with tht, but tht was befor the Sal. Cap era. I dont think it wud be possiable to create tht kind of defence with the cap in place. Darn!

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