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  • stick77
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    Originally posted by AsianOrange
    I agree! Montana is definetely up there....I think Elway had too many Super Bowl losses which makes his cred a little low...so if I had to redo the top5 it would be:

    Montana
    Elway
    Marino
    Favre
    Aikman

    that is a very tough list but where is: Steve Bono?

    I think that is an accurate list, but Elway not number 1 because of Super Bowl record: 2-3 Collins should be above Culpepper because Collins been to the Super Bowl.
    Elway lost 3 Super Bowls, but did you look at the teams that he got to the big game. He ought to get bonus points for having to play with that lack of talent. Not to mention Dan Reeves holding him back for so many years.

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  • TheEdge634
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    i have the most awsome drawing ever of terrell davis i should take a picture of it and send it to you bronco fans, you'll salivate.

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  • Doc®
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    Originally posted by TheEdge634
    Glad your put fouts near the top WAAYYY too many people underrate him he may have had talent, but he might have the best leadership of the whole list.
    Fous was a hard-ass and could keep anyone even moss inline.
    Oh yeah man I loved to watch Fouts.............he was the perfect fit for Air Coryell.

    They had a killer offense back in the late 70s and early 80s, looking back its a damn shame he never had a defense to compliment the offense or I am pretty certain we would have seen a 3peat..........in 79, 80, and 81 there is IMO NO WAY the Rams, Eagles or the 49ers would have been able to outscore their offense........unfortunately without a defense they wwere never able to get there.

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  • kcchiefsrule
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    I think that Rich Gannon might have dropped...

    Not a bad list though! Kudos...

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  • TheEdge634
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    Glad your put fouts near the top WAAYYY too many people underrate him he may have had talent, but he might have the best leadership of the whole list.
    Fous was a hard-ass and could keep anyone even moss inline.

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  • Jared
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    Neil Lomax?

    Craig Morton?

    Anyone can be argued for inclusion, looking at career stats.

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  • broncoforlife
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    Yeah, I missed Simms...

    ....and couldn't get the post edited immediately. Ooops - my bad.....:o

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  • Jared
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    Re: Re: Re: We'll kill two birds with one stone....

    Originally posted by broncoforlife
    You can taste your beer? Hey, wait a minute....

    Actually, you've got a good point on Bernie. I would think that Debergs numbers rank him there. Among the top 50 all time (accoridng to the Pro Football Reference) he ranks 14th in attempts, 13th in completions, 16th in yards, and is tied for 28th in TD passes.

    A couple of other guys I noticed missing are Phil Simms and Joe Ferguson, whose career numbers are also in the top 50 of all time.
    Fergie maybe, but I though Simms WAS on there. Its a subjective list anyway.

    In that system, he played VERY well. And that game against the Broncos in the Superbowl.....

    ugh.....

    But had Simms not gotten injured and had lets say three more years, he would have been considered a much more reasonable candidate for the HOF.

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  • broncoforlife
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    Re: Re: We'll kill two birds with one stone....

    Originally posted by Jared
    DeBerg did have a lot of yards, but he played for so long. Tough guy though.

    Kosar? I don't know. He started great, but he seemed to just progressively get worse as his career went on. Very unfortunate.


    This post was written while being thankful that I CAN taste my beer.
    You can taste your beer? Hey, wait a minute....

    Actually, you've got a good point on Bernie. However, I would think that Debergs numbers rank him there. Among the top 50 all time (accoridng to the Pro Football Reference) he ranks 14th in attempts, 13th in completions, 16th in yards, and is tied for 28th in TD passes.

    Another notable ommision I just noticed is Joe Ferguson, whose career numbers are also in the top 50 of all time. For those who aren't already familiar with the Pro Football Reference it's a great resource to help compare these guys against each other. Here's the link:

    http://www.pro-football-reference.com/qbindex.htm
    Last edited by broncoforlife; 01-12-2004, 04:32 PM.

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  • Jared
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    Re: We'll kill two birds with one stone....

    Originally posted by broncoforlife
    ..

    Which reminds me - dhall, did you miss Pastorini, Steve Deberg, and Bernie Kosar by accident or deliberately leave them off?
    DeBerg did have a lot of yards, but he played for so long. Tough guy though.

    Kosar? I don't know. He started great, but he seemed to just progressively get worse as his career went on. Very unfortunate.


    This post was written while being thankful that I CAN taste my beer.

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  • broncoforlife
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    We'll kill two birds with one stone....

    ...or I should say one post.

    First, Docs right about Elway. It's misleading to equate the 47 comebacks for Elway with a lack of greatness; as doc already pointed out the majority of those situations were set up by extremely conservative play calling by Reeves which often left us in a hole that John had to bail us out of. Had Reeves taken off the shackles and put John in an offensive environement similar to the current one his comeback count might be significantly lower and he'd have much higher career stats. Sure would have been nice to see John have the kind of tools that Montana and Marino had to work with; in the eyes of many he accomplished much greater things than they did because he simply had to do more with less.

    As far as Nameusedbefore's question about how far someone could chuck the ball, Favre's gun (in his prime) was comparable to Johns, as was Jeff George's arm (if George would have had Johns brain and heart he would have been great). I'm not sure of the farthest any of them ever threw in a game, but I think it's a safe bet that all 3 of them could hit an ant 80 yards downfield on the fly.

    Some other great arms that I remember were Randall Cunningham, Dan Pastorini, and Terry Bradshaw. I remember seeing all 3 of these guys consistently hit 65-70 yard throws.

    Which reminds me - dhall, did you miss Pastorini, Steve Deberg, and Bernie Kosar by accident or deliberately leave them off?
    Last edited by broncoforlife; 01-12-2004, 03:45 PM.

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  • NameUsedBefore
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    Does anyone know the true length or the farthest someone could throw the football? I think Elway could launch it 85 yards; and yes, what seperated him from the other gunslingers and bombers was the fact that one, he could gunsling his way to victory and not just an INT, and two, he could bomb it and most of the time hit the guy in the numbers.

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  • Doc®
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    Originally posted by AFCWestBest
    Elway was great for his time!

    I alwasy questioned why everyone brags about the 46(?) comeback victories by J.Elway....... if he was that great why was he behind that late in the game to begin with?
    Just a thought.
    Maybe its like woody paige says....."Bronco fans use statistics like a drunk uses a light pole".
    I will take a crack at this........... its actually 47 according to SI. To answer the question about 90% of those comebacks came during the Dan Reeves era when he had NO help and its not a big secret that he did not like Elway and therefore would never draft him any offensive help. For years Elway pleaded for a speedy receiver and a couple of hogs for the offensive line and what did Reeves do.........in 92 he passed on Carl Pickens and took UCLA sophmore QB Tommy Maddox.......to eventually replace him........what a slap in the face!!

    You obviously have limited knowledge of Elways career or are just trying to talk shiat........either way it makes little difference.

    I guess I have a hard time understanding what you meant by...."Elway was great for his time" ...........it dont make any difference whether its today or yesterday Elway is # 1 IMO due to what he was able to accomplish with little help. People wanna knock him for 3 Super Bowl losses but I find it rather amazing he was able to carry the entire offense like he did.........the only problem with that is eventually your luck runs out.

    BTW I wouldn't put too much faith in ANYTHING that blow hard Woody Paige says.........he is a complete retard thats been bashing Denver, the fans and every other team in the league for at least 20 years.

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  • AFCWestBest
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    Originally posted by dhall26
    Horseface was the Greatest, no others came close. Mr.Comeback, Mr.Crush my Chiefs dreams! I hated him, but unbiased, he was the best.
    Elway was great for his time!
    I wouldn't bash Steve DeBerg he was very good/tough for the teams he played with. Only person I've seen play quarterback with a taped up compound fracture on his throwing (ring finger) hand.
    I alwasy questioned why everyone brags about the 46(?) comeback victories by J.Elway....... if he was that great why was he behind that late in the game to begin with?
    Just a thought.
    Maybe its like woody paige says....."Bronco fans use statistics like a drunk uses a light pole".

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  • jake meffley
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    Originally posted by NameUsedBefore
    When I think of the bomb I think of guys like Culpepper, Elway, Favre; guys with exceptionally strong arms. Marino, to me, just doesn't seem like that kind of guy.
    marino's arm was better than average, but nowhere in the top ten. his release was his strongest attribute, since it covered much of his inability to scramble.

    also, arm strength should really be broke down into two categories. length, and velocity. elway is clearly #1 in velocity, and top ten (but not #1) in distance.
    belive it or not, guys like jeff george, kordell stewart, and randall cunningham can all throw the ball as far or further than elway.

    its throwing it far, hard, and ACCURATE that separated elway from these others.

    as for marino, he didnt have top ten velocity or distance, but his release and accuracy made up much of what he lacked. and dont get me wrong, marino had a great arm, just not top ten. as mentioned, a couple of the top ten distance guys (george and stewart) arent on the radar as far as overall quality qb's.

    jake

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