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  • The thing about Plummer is.....((combined))

    Hello all,

    Well what can you say? Just one word here will suffice, pathetic. While I know it is hard to assess a team, from just one game. In my humble opinion, without some needed attitude adjustments. It looks like we are going to be in for a long, and painful year as Bronco's fans. The bright spots were few and far between, but I did see 4 players that actually came to play. Rod Smith, Tatum Bell, Jeb Putzier, and Kyle Johnson. Outside of that, our team is missing alot of heart. So what is going on here?

    Flame me if you wish, but this is just my humble opinion. The person that is supposed to be leading this team, is Jake Plummer. While I do like his potential as a player. IMO his heart just isn't in it, for whatever reasons. One thing that stuck out for me watching the game, was how much sharper his passes were towards the end of the game. I'm talking about the last 4 minutes or so. Before that he was simply indecisive. I'll give him credit, for the two times that I saw him actually run with the ball. But for example, what about when he rolled out and had a clear lane to the endzone. He didn't commit. Throughout the game he was throwing behind receivers constantly, or worse throwing to non-existant players on the field. So why were his passes so sharp towards the end all of the sudden?

    It seems to me, that Jake plays like the Jake we love to watch play when he is mad or frusterated. But until he reaches that point, he seems to be very complacent to say the least. I.E. he has heart, only when he has to. Why doesn't he start the game with that same intensity, is my question? But it's not just Jake either. When we were down by 17, with 8-9 minutes left in the game. They were playing as though, the game was already over. Jake ran the ball, but made no attempt to get out of bounds to stop the clock. The same with Lelie, when he caught the pass near the sidelines. Or running the ball up the middle, with the clock running down. IMO they gave up trying to win the game.

    The heart of a championship team says: never give up, never give in, and never surrender. They also have that intensity to start a game. Not just when they are down, and have to. So what was soooo pathetic about all of this. Was that not only did the Broncos not have that intensity to start the game. They also didn't have it, when it had to be picked up in order to try and win the game. Jake having that intensity with 4 minutes left in the game, down by 17 is simply too late. If this attitude doesn't change, the Broncos won't have a chance to get anywhere this season.

    Lastly, as much as I like Mike Shanahan. If our players aren't going to play with heart from the start of the game. Then continue to play throughout the game, like they aren't going to pick it up. Especially when they are down. Then get them off of the field. The philosophy should be the same as when trainning camp starts, and during the pre-season. The better players play in the games. The better players get the starting positions. IMO Shanahan has too much loyalty to the starters during a game. If they don't have to worry about being benched, or being replaced as the starter. Some of the players, don't seem to have the self-motivation to try any harder without that kind of a threat. Or until their pride or ego is threatened.

    If a player had heart, or the never say die attitude. That kind of motivation wouldn't be needed. But different players respond to different motivations. As much as I hate to say it. Plummer doesn't seem to have that self-motivation. Unless he has a fire under his @$$, for whatever reasons. He seems to only have that intensity when he is mad or frusterated, and has to "prove himself". I.E. when his pride/ego is under attack. Which is scary, because he is the leader of our offence. Our offence should be feeding off of his intensity, not vice versa. If this trend continues, I would be content in the Broncos starting Van Pelt, even if it means loosing some game due to his inexperience in the NFL. At least we would be progressing, with him gaining that needed experience.

    Just my opinion on the matter,
    Peaceful-Warrior

    P.S. I editted the title of the thread, to clearify that I am not trying to single out Jake Plummer in this post. Nor am I trying to say, that it is his fault that we lost. Most of the Broncos didn't show any heart today. I am trying to point out however, how Plummers leadership or lack thereof can effect a team as a whole.
    Last edited by Peaceful-Warrio; 09-11-2005, 04:14 PM. Reason: clearification in the title

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    Jake plummer looked like HS qb.....

    Jake Plummer looked like a high school qb, just like last season... he does not throw spirals... he throws balls that look like kicks....I give him 7 more games. That was terrible. We are all the plummer lovers now? Maybe watching griese tghrow a decent game?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by LoufromLItt.
      Jake Plummer looked like a high school qb, just like last season... he does not throw spirals... he throws balls that look like kicks....I give him 7 more games. That was terrible. We are all the plummer lovers now? Maybe watching griese tghrow a decent game?
      Everybody has a bad game dude, im watching Bret Favre's packers down 17-3 to the lions in the 4th quarter with 4 minutes left. there is no question that Plummer stunk it up today, but he wasent alone, the o-line stunk, the wr's didnt show up, no running game to speak of, place the blame on the qb's shoulders if you want but today was a team loss period.
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      • #4
        Your team is not alone in losing the opener. But then again - it is the opener.
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        • #5
          Just bumping this up, because I decided to make a clearification in the title. It should say Plummer and Broncos Show Lack Of Heart. (How do I edit the title of the thread, or can I?) I am not trying to single out Jake Plummer in this thread. Just pointing out his leadership position on the team, and how it effects the rest of the team as a whole.

          Peaceful-Warrior
          Last edited by Peaceful-Warrio; 09-11-2005, 04:20 PM. Reason: problems editting title of the thread

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          • #6
            agreed, the playcalling was predictable and the defense was horrid. The lone bright spot was the game ending
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            • #7
              HS????
              Dude, more like Pop Warner............
              He looked so afraid of not making mistakes, that he forgot to make plays...
              Call me a hater or whatever you may like, but until Plummer can prove that he has the ballz to win big games, he is an overpaid bust!

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              • #8
                Originally posted by theshiverman
                Everybody has a bad game dude, im watching Bret Favre's packers down 17-3 to the lions in the 4th quarter with 4 minutes left. there is no question that Plummer stunk it up today, but he wasent alone, the o-line stunk, the wr's didnt show up, no running game to speak of, place the blame on the qb's shoulders if you want but today was a team loss period.
                brett favre is losing cuz he's old and sucks now. very different situation from jake who should be in his prime right now

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                • #9
                  What an incredibly dumb statement!

                  Jake did not play an especially good game (almost nobody did), but one thing he showed today was heart.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DrunkPanda
                    brett favre is losing cuz he's old and sucks now. very different situation from jake who should be in his prime right now
                    You truely are Drunk arent you Panda.
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                    • #11
                      are you disagreeing with me that brett favre is old and lost his magic?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by DrunkPanda
                        are you disagreeing with me that brett favre is old and lost his magic?

                        Jake never had any magic. It is time for Jake to go, todays games made me long for the good ole Days under Griese
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by PR-Broncomaniac
                          HS????
                          Dude, more like Pop Warner............
                          He looked so afraid of not making mistakes, that he forgot to make plays...
                          Call me a hater or whatever you may like, but until Plummer can prove that he has the ballz to win big games, he is an overpaid bust!
                          Ballz to win big games?

                          I recall two years ago, against the Colts in their house. We needed to win to get into the playoffs. What did we do? Win.

                          Last year, week 17, we need to win to get in, what did we do? Win.

                          Those are two big games that I can remember right off the bat.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Southstander
                            Jake never had any magic. It is time for Jake to go, todays games made me long for the good ole Days under Griese
                            No magic? 19 wins, 9 losses. That's a good record, well over 500.

                            Good ole days under Griese? Griese: led the team to 1 playoff appearence (and even that year he was 6-4, and Fererotte really got the team there) and Jake, two playoff appearences. Both times, no victory, but the time the Broncos went with Griese/Fererotte, they didn't win either. So in conclusion, you're saying that you'd rather have 1 playoff appearence and no win, than 2 playoff appearences and no wins.
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by topscribe
                              What an incredibly dumb statement!

                              Jake did not play an especially good game (almost nobody did), but one thing he showed today was heart.

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                              Right. Why do you think we were marching down the field even if the end was inevitable? Jake has heart. Why do you think that Jake slipped out of a sack and bootleged back and completed a pass, when we were going to lose anyway? He has heart.

                              And the statement, Tatum Bell came to play, Tatum Bell only got 40 somewhat yards. Most from that one 30 yard run? You call that coming to play? Please, it was just poor play on both sides of the ball.

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