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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by tough-guy
    You're joking ........right?
    And this guy was telling me how I should answer posts.

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  • tough-guy
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    Originally posted by CJ_5256
    Sorry but I don't know what was so great about Jim Thorpe??

    You're joking ........right?

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by CJ_5256
    Sorry but I don't know what was so great about Jim Thorpe??
    Go to the link TG provided.

    Here are a couple excerpts from it:

    "In 1920, when the National Football League was organized, the charter members named Thorpe league president. While Thorpe's exploits tend to be exaggerated with the passing years, there is no question he was superb in every way. He could run with speed as well as bruising power. He could pass and catch passes with the best, punt long distances and kick field goals either by dropkick or placekick."

    And

    "Excellent at every sport he tried, he gained his greatest fame by winning the decathlon and pentathlon events at the 1912 Olympics, only to have his medals taken away because he had once been paid to play minor-league baseball (the medals were restored posthumously in 1982). Although he played six seasons of major-league baseball, football always remained his favorite sport."


    This doesn't tell the whole story, but it should give you a basic idea . . .

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  • CJ_5256
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    Originally posted by tough-guy
    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=213


    Many will say that what a player did nearly 100 years ago isn't relevant today, but I think Thorpe is another one who can be called the greatest "Football player" of all time.

    Hornung, or Thorpe...it's a toss-up to me.
    Sorry but I don't know what was so great about Jim Thorpe??

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  • tough-guy
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    http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/me...?player_id=213


    Many will say that what a player did nearly 100 years ago isn't relevant today, but I think Thorpe is another one who can be called the greatest "Football player" of all time.

    Hornung, or Thorpe...it's a toss-up to me.

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by tough-guy
    I still go back to Jerry Rice being able to one thing and one thing only. Jerry Rice was a tremendous WR. He took care of himself and stayed in great condition thus extending his career. He ewas fortunate to get through a good portion of his career without sustaining a lot of injuries. A lot of that had to do with his skill, but a lot also had to do with the fact that he wasn't playing a particularly physical position.

    Great ruunningn backs like Walter Payton and Jim Brown could run the ball and catch passes too. They could block. They take and dish-out punishent. They played special teams at times running back punts and kickoffs.

    Paul Hornung was one of those old "triple threat" type players. He could run, catch, pass and kick. I believe he even played defense very effectively for some period of time.......he could tackle as well. He could do everything required in the game of football.
    Yes, Hornung often played two ways for Notre Dame, and he won the Heisman Trophy in 1956. He was so good that he was the only player from a losing team ever to win the trophy.

    In the pros, Hornung was a two-time MVP in the NFL, and some still consider him the greatest short-yardage runner to play the game. (That's saying something since he played on the same team as another great short-yardage runner in Jim Taylor.) In 1960, Hornung scored 176 points in 12 games, and threw two TD passes from his halfback position for good measure. All the while, he was also kicking field goals for the team.

    Yup, I can't argue with that choice.

    BTW, Hornung is a member of both the College Football Hall of Fame and the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and the State of Kentucky still gives out the "Paul Hornung Award" for the best high school player in the state. FYI.

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  • tough-guy
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    I still go back to Jerry Rice being able to one thing and one thing only. Jerry Rice was a tremendous WR. He took care of himself and stayed in great condition thus extending his career. He ewas fortunate to get through a good portion of his career without sustaining a lot of injuries. A lot of that had to do with his skill, but a lot also had to do with the fact that he wasn't playing a particularly physical position.

    Great ruunningn backs like Walter Payton and Jim Brown could run the ball and catch passes too. They could block. They take and dish-out punishent. They played special teams at times running back punts and kickoffs.

    Paul Hornung was one of those old "triple threat" type players. He could run, catch, pass and kick. I believe he even played defense very effectively for some period of time.......he could tackle as well. He could do everything required in the game of football.

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  • Emancipator
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    I could post all day about WRs

    Jerry shattered records. Probably the only football player where you have Hall of Famers consistently point to Jerry Rice as the greatest WR of all time and would possibly make the TOP 4 all time NFL player.

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by clokwork orange
    you mean second best of alltime? don't you?
    If you're referring to Hutson, I mean on the list. I still like Jerry Rice.

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  • tough-guy
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    Originally posted by clokwork orange
    agree with your statement. I don't thing there is such a thing. All time greatest fb player is like a unicorn.
    We'll never be able to decide who the greatest football player is. I would tend to say it's someone who played in a different era. Someone who could do mulitple things better than anyone. Jim Thorpe?

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  • topscribe
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    Originally posted by tough-guy
    I think the greatest "football player" of all time would have to go to someone of a different era. Jerry Rice played in an era of specialization. Jerry Rice did one thing well. He did that arguable better than anyone else.

    Any talk of the greatest "football player" of all time would need to include Paul Hornung. It would also need to include some running backs like Jim Brown and Walter Payton.


    I think there are a couple of defensive players who could be considered too, like maybe Reggie White and Merlin Olsen.
    Well, that's a good point, but then you went on to name players who also specialized. Of the thousands of players to come and go, it would be extremely difficult to nail down the G.O.A.T. football player. My personal favorite in that area, although, of course, I never saw him play, is Jim Thorpe. However, he is just my personal favorite and by no means the only viable choice.

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  • tough-guy
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    Originally posted by Emancipator
    A distant second to Jerry Rice.




    I'm talking the longevity career......not because they may be in the Hall of Fame.
    These are some of the more prolific WRs of all time.
    Guys like:

    Chris Carter
    Art Monk
    Tim Brown
    Steve Largent
    Andre Reed
    Charlie Joiner

    I saw all of the above guys play.
    I heard Don Hudson was good.

    My favorite guys not mention: Anthony Miller (greatest hands in the NFL), Henry Ellard, Gary Clark, Stanley Morgan, and the list goes on for WR...........
    Yes, as WR's.

    As a total "football player" I put Paul Hornung above them all, to include Rice.

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  • Emancipator
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    A distant second to Jerry Rice.




    I'm talking the longevity career......not because they may be in the Hall of Fame.
    These are some of the more prolific WRs of all time.
    Guys like:

    Chris Carter (put up the numbers and caught TD)
    Art Monk (Rod Smith was something like Art MonK)
    Tim Brown
    Steve Largent (one of the greatest route runners of all time, good hands)
    Andre Reed
    Charlie Joiner ( another constant Pro...new how to get the job done)

    I saw all of the above guys play.
    I heard Don Hudson was good.

    My favorite guys not mention: Anthony Miller (greatest hands in the NFL), Henry Ellard, Gary Clark, Stanley Morgan, and the list goes on for WR...........my favorite position, I've studied this position for years.
    Last edited by Emancipator; 11-18-2005, 10:39 AM.

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  • clokwork orange
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    Originally posted by tough-guy
    I think the greatest "football player" of all time would have to go to someone of a different era. Jerry Rice played in an era of specialization. Jerry Rice did one thing well. He did that arguable better than anyone else.

    Any talk of the greatest "football player" of all time would need to include Paul Hornung. It would also need to include some running backs like Jim Brown and Walter Payton.


    I think there are a couple of defensive players who could be considered too, like maybe Reggie White and Merlin Olsen.
    agree with your statement. I don't thing there is such a thing. All time greatest fb player is like a unicorn.

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  • clokwork orange
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    I think when it's all said and done harrison and moss (even though he is a punk) will up towards the top of this list.

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