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  • #46
    Originally posted by topscribe
    Well, I'm glad I'm such a source of joy for some people.

    Back to Jake, in my 45 years of following the Broncos, I have never seen anyone attacked as Jake has been. Not Romanowski, not Gardener, not Kennison. Some people on these boards DESPISE the man!! It is beyond me precisely why. I don't believe his following John Elway is the answer . . . . at least not in full. Hell, it's been seven years since Elway has played a game, and Jake is two QBs away from him.

    I am not in the running for president of the Jake Plummer fan club. He's ASU alumnus, and I am a big U. of Arizona fan. I hated the Cardinals (still do). I had no affinity for Jake as he came to the Broncos. Moreover, I am a huge John Elway fan. I LIKED Griese a lot; still do. I HATED to see Griese go (and it is turning out I was right, as he showed until his injury this year). So I am not a natural Plummer fan. I simply can see his immense talent, that's all.

    Well, there is nothing more I can say about it tonight. Besides, I have a lot to do tomorrow, so it's about time to shut 'er down.

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    I actually wasn't attempting to put you down. Only asking you to chill a lil.

    But as far as the rest. SOme people despiseJake. Ok, and? SO what! Its OK to despise someone. That is THEIR right to despise him. Thats their given right. Thats their right as a human, as an american, and as a fan. You don't HAVE to understand it, just accept it. There are a LOT of people that don't see all this "immense" talent you wish to see in Jake. But you know what? Thats ok too! Its ok that YOU see it in him, and its ok that others do not.

    Just as you see this immense talent in Lelie. You see it in him, others do not! That doesn't keep you from criticizing him..right?

    You say you aren't a natural lover of Jake. That doesn't matter how or when you became the defender. I'm just saying that its a losing battle when you are defending against those that you feel "despise" him.... right?

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Ravage!!!
      I actually wasn't attempting to put you down. Only asking you to chill a lil.

      But as far as the rest. SOme people despiseJake. Ok, and? SO what! Its OK to despise someone. That is THEIR right to despise him. Thats their given right. Thats their right as a human, as an american, and as a fan. You don't HAVE to understand it, just accept it. There are a LOT of people that don't see all this "immense" talent you wish to see in Jake. But you know what? Thats ok too! Its ok that YOU see it in him, and its ok that others do not.

      Just as you see this immense talent in Lelie. You see it in him, others do not! That doesn't keep you from criticizing him..right?

      You say you aren't a natural lover of Jake. That doesn't matter how or when you became the defender. I'm just saying that its a losing battle when you are defending against those that you feel "despise" him.... right?
      I have the same right not to accept their animosity as they do to have it, Rav. And I have the right to speak up about it. I don't have an issue with ANTI-JAKE people, who have an issue with what they perceive as his inconsistency. In that case, I take issue with their opinion. But to the HATERS (and they do exist), I take issue with THEM.

      It pains me to see that Mtnman seems to border on that because I view him as a quality person, and I also view him as a friend. But he exasperates me at times. But, contrary to the opinons of some of the more rabid Jake fans here, Mtnman is not the worst of the anti-Jake people. He just gets the most notoriety here. That's why, even though I disagree with him about most issues, I have jumped to his defense in the face of a fusillade of personal attacks against him.

      Oh well, I'm sitting on a tender spot tonight, I guess.

      I'll come back tomorrow with a smile on my face.

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      • #48
        Defenders?

        Originally posted by Ravage!!!
        Yes. But I wouldn't say there are many more of those that continue to defend Jake at all costs... on ly being able to see him as the GREATEST, and unable to see any faults.. thus ATTACKING anyone and everyone that says a single critical thing of him. So who's better? (obviously I'm speaking of things other than just this particular topic).
        Well firstly, I must agree that there are those who are staunch against the antagonists which pay JP no respect. I am one of them, a rookie on this board albeit.

        It may seem that the JP defenders think he is a "Saint" because they spend so much time talking about his positive traits, and trying to deflect the criticism of his faults. It ain't always so. Well, maybe there are some who think he can do no wrong. But I can tell you that I defend against the assinine (sp?) criticism that is clearly and blatantly prejudicially based. Jake is not a saint, he is human.

        Any man who has elevated himself out of a hole which he inadvertantly dug himself into can certianly respect what Jake has done this year. This doesn't make him a saint, it makes him a human who sees that there is light at the end of the tunnel, that there are greener pastures if you're willing to work hard to get there.

        After all, isn't this why we all watch the game and get so excited about it? We try to live out our lives, overcome our own personal failures in life by taking on an imaginary role as a QB or receiver. Our criticism or support is reflection of how we would view ourselves in a similar situation. Apparently, there are some who never pleased their Daddy's enough and continue to carry that baggage to this day.

        But I will tell you that there needs to be a line drawn between healthy criticism and flat out prejudice. There are those who have clearly made it known to all here where they stand in reference to that line. They relish in this stance. They go to great efforts to let everyone know exactly where they stand and then cry about getting spanked for their bad attitude. Yet they come back for more! Almost like they like it!

        I say, bring 'em on, let 'em continue on their rant about how the sky is falling.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by CameronY
          Well firstly, I must agree that there are those who are staunch against the antagonists which pay JP no respect. I am one of them, a rookie on this board albeit.

          It may seem that the JP defenders think he is a "Saint" because they spend so much time talking about his positive traits, and trying to deflect the criticism of his faults. It ain't always so. Well, maybe there are some who think he can do no wrong. But I can tell you that I defend against the assinine (sp?) criticism that is clearly and blatantly prejudicially based. Jake is not a saint, he is human.

          Any man who has elevated himself out of a hole which he inadvertantly dug himself into can certianly respect what Jake has done this year. This doesn't make him a saint, it makes him a human who sees that there is light at the end of the tunnel, that there are greener pastures if you're willing to work hard to get there.

          After all, isn't this why we all watch the game and get so excited about it? We try to live out our lives, overcome our own personal failures in life by taking on an imaginary role as a QB or receiver. Our criticism or support is reflection of how we would view ourselves in a similar situation. Apparently, there are some who never pleased their Daddy's enough and continue to carry that baggage to this day.

          But I will tell you that there needs to be a line drawn between healthy criticism and flat out prejudice. There are those who have clearly made it known to all here where they stand in reference to that line. They relish in this stance. They go to great efforts to let everyone know exactly where they stand and then cry about getting spanked for their bad attitude. Yet they come back for more! Almost like they like it!

          I say, bring 'em on, let 'em continue on their rant about how the sky is falling.
          As one of my final acts on the board for the evening, I just gave you CP for this comment.

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          • #50
            The truth shall set you free...thanks TOP

            Originally posted by topscribe
            As one of my final acts on the board for the evening, I just gave you CP for this comment.

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            I appreciate the CP, Top. Now I need to figure out what that is.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by topscribe
              As one of my final acts on the board for the evening, I just gave you CP for this comment.

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              Got mine too. Excellent post.
              Victory and defeat are matters of the temporary force of circumstance.



              Thanks, Snk16!!

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              • #52
                Really who gives a @$ck................it was a dumb question and if you ask me he got a dumb answer.



                Shanahan was asked the same question and he laughed also responding...."LOL LOL OF COURSE WE LIKE TO PLAY WITH THE LEAD THATS FOOTBALL 101"


                To me know big deal.........to those that are offeneded ask Jake for an apology

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Canadian_Fan
                  Really who gives a @$ck................it was a dumb question and if you ask me he got a dumb answer.

                  Shanahan was asked the same question and he laughed also responding...."LOL LOL OF COURSE WE LIKE TO PLAY WITH THE LEAD THATS FOOTBALL 101"

                  To me know big deal.........to those that are offeneded ask Jake for an apology
                  Really? That's Football 101? Wow, maybe Dom Capers needs to retake that course.

                  Seriously, it cracks me up to come out to this board and see all the Jake haters. Y'all want David Carr? For sale, cheap, as is. We'll take Jake in a heartbeat. I've been having a blast watching him this season, he's having such a fantastic year. (Which is why I'll always be a closet Broncos fan.) Heck, with the year my team is having, I have to have something to cheer for, right?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by jjjezebel
                    Really? That's Football 101? Wow, maybe Dom Capers needs to retake that course.

                    Seriously, it cracks me up to come out to this board and see all the Jake haters. Y'all want David Carr? For sale, cheap, as is. We'll take Jake in a heartbeat. I've been having a blast watching him this season, he's having such a fantastic year. (Which is why I'll always be a closet Broncos fan.) Heck, with the year my team is having, I have to have something to cheer for, right?


                    You dont think i am a Jake hater do you?

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                    • #55
                      No...whoops! I just quoted your post because I liked the Shanny quote in it.

                      My other comments were just general observations of what I've seen on these boards, and weren't directed to anyone in particular.

                      Sorry for the mixup!

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                      • #56
                        Give JP Slack

                        Why do some guys get a reputation as "Gun Slingers" and "Athletic" and JP gets a rep as "an interception waiting to happen." It's unfair. And he hears that same crap every single day repeated in different questions and statements.

                        So good for Jake. If his name was Farve or Culpepber or McNabb the reporters question after two days to think of a question would not have been that.

                        Unconditional Love for Jake Plumber and the World's Fasted Offensive Line.

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                        • #57
                          well.. thats just because thats the reputation Jake has "earned" over the last 8 years of his career. You can't really expect people to forget 8 fulll seasons of a pattern simply because of good play in 9 games (I'm ignoring game one).

                          Brett Favre is both. A gunslinger that is an interception waiting to happen. For those of you that don't think Favre gets criticism, don't listen to much sports radio. Favre has been getting crusified this season. Fans from allllllll over the world are trying to claim how "over-rated" Brett is, and how its time to bring in the rookie. So NO ONE is above the critics. Just as Jake isn't. Someday, Jake will earn the respect of the critics on INTs, but they will still be there to criticize another part of his game. THats just the beast of the position.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by JHoward
                            Did any of you guys hear Tuesdays presser with Jake on it? He kind of went off on the first media guy. He asked Jake something about how it felt playing with a lead and Jake didnt understand the question. He responded with "Whats the question? You have all this time and thats the question you ask? G Damn." They must have caught Jake on a bad day or something, I've never seen him respond like that on Broncos TV.
                            He was late for his nooner with the cheerleader he is dating, you would be mad too if you had to sit there and listen to questions from reporter instead of hooking up with that fine peice of grade 'A'.
                            "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."sigpic

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by CameronY
                              Everyone is so anxious to assume Jake flew off the handle.. I must admit, I was aghast upon first hearing it. But just listen to it, will ya?

                              http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...3&videoID=1015

                              Copy and paste this link into your browser, then click ont he NOV 22 press conference link with Jake Plumber below the video screen.

                              Too quick to rush to judgement....

                              That reporter deserved a reaming, but Jake handled it pretty well after getting the GD sigh out of him.
                              They must've cut the clip down a bit. It starts out with Jake actually answering the question. Even with the descriptions on here I don't see anything wrong with it. Nobody pays Jake to be friendly or nice to anyone. He is respected by his teammates and he is winning ball games, has been since he got here.

                              On the flipping off... so what... Everyone loses their cool occasionally... Did you feel Plummer was personally flipping you off? Well, then I guess he personally apologized to you later.

                              Al Davis leads yet another squad to the brink of mediocrity.

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                              ARTICLE VI: I will never forget that I am an American, fighting for freedom, responsible for my actions, and dedicated to the principles which made my country free. I will trust in my God and in the United States Of America.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by topscribe
                                Well, I'm glad I'm such a source of joy for some people.

                                Back to Jake, in my 45 years of following the Broncos, I have never seen anyone attacked as Jake has been. Not Romanowski, not Gardener, not Kennison. Some people on these boards DESPISE the man!! It is beyond me precisely why. I don't believe his following John Elway is the answer . . . . at least not in full. Hell, it's been seven years since Elway has played a game, and Jake is two QBs away from him.


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                                Lou Saban had it worse.

                                Other than that, I agree with you 110% of all the other points.

                                The Satan Jake cult must be really be in touch with their feelings, as all their complaints about Satan Jake are that he hurt someone's feelings. He's never done anything wrong, he just said something that made them wanna cry...

                                It seems since Satan Jake made them wanna cry, they totally ignore what Jake DOES, such as standing up the the NFL concerning Pat Tillman, or remembering a kid years later.

                                No sir, Satan Jake hurt their feelings so his ACTIONS don't matter, it's hard to think rationally when one is sobbing uncontrollably because Satan Jake said you weren't the best fan in the world...Boo hoo, boo hoo.

                                And the reason you believe Jake's version of "the finger" is because that's what HONORABLE people due, you believe a man's word unless you have EVIDENCE otherwise, it's called innocent until proven guilty. I have NO RESPECT for anyone who assumes the worst of a person without any evidence of their own.

                                Please do post your evidence that Jake's story is NOT correct. Instead of committing libel and tarnishing Jake's reputation based on nothing more than your speculation, either present some evidence or shut up.

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