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  • #16
    Denver's playbook is huge. There are about 20-25 staple plays that can be run in any situation. No QB in the league could handle every play Mike has in that book. That is why they gameplan every week. Look at each game and you will see the different wrinkles that are run from the same set. It's not that Jake can't handle a huge playbook, it's that their are plays that are tailored for him for different defenses. Who thought we would go so pass heavy last week in the first half? Someone important did, so that's what part of the playbook was opened. It will be interesting to see what part is opened for the playoffs.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Elway
      Well after two complete seasons Jake and Shanny had to get together with the playbook and take out the plays that just weren't working or were too high risk to run. Each week offers a variety of wrinkles that Denver wants to run, but not give away too much of your offense in case you do make the playoffs.

      So it can be a combination of things that contribute to smaller playbook, but if it is working, which up to this point it seems to be, they must be doing something right.

      Makes perfect sense. No doubt we've run the ball alot this year, one only needs to dig up the stat sheet.

      Thing is, has the playcalling been run heavy due to JP's tendency to turnover the ball?

      Or are we taking advantage of the 3 good RBs we got? Who knows whats going on in Shanny's mind.

      We do know Shanahan has been preaching about running game and defense since the first day he's been here.

      Ravage you're right that is the way the team has been built. "But limiting the playbook to prevent Jake from being Jake" (not your words but you know what I mean), I don't see how that could not be taken as an insult.
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      • #18
        nice post Bronco51.
        You've got to know when to sack em...

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        • #19
          Originally posted by NASurfer
          Ravage you're right that is the way the team has been built. "But limiting the playbook to prevent Jake from being Jake" (not your words but you know what I mean), I don't see how that could not be taken as an insult.
          Its only an insult if you truly wish to deny that Jake has had a bad turnover problem in his past. If people are just willing to accept it, and admit it, they can see why Shanahan would be sure to do anything he could to limit those turnovers.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Ravage!!!
            Its only an insult if you truly wish to deny that Jake has had a bad turnover problem in his past. If people are just willing to accept it, and admit it, they can see why Shanahan would be sure to do anything he could to limit those turnovers.
            As a Bronco, Jake has a BETTER TD/INT ratio than Elway or Griese and I am getting tired of you ignoring this fact.

            BEFORE this seaon Jake had 42 tds and 27 INTs for 1.55 TD/INT ratio. This ratio is higher than Griese or Elway and does NOT include this year, which is Jake's best.

            Sorry, but the FACTS say it is YOU that won't accept the truth.

            Plus, I don't care if they only run one play, as long as they win.

            It sounds like male "short comings", complaining that their "playbook" isn't thick enough. Who cares?

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Ravage!!!
              Its only an insult if you truly wish to deny that Jake has had a bad turnover problem in his past. If people are just willing to accept it, and admit it, they can see why Shanahan would be sure to do anything he could to limit those turnovers.
              I'm not sure if accepting it would change the tone of it. I meant that its an insult to Plummer's ability as a QB. Which is what it is.

              Back to square one, how do we know what Shanahan is thinking when it comes to the run heavy game plans?

              If it is truely to prevent JP from hurting the team, I've got no problem with it. Just show me.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by lvbronx
                It sounds like male "short comings", complaining that their "playbook" isn't thick enough. Who cares?
                Well, the thing is the "I don't beleive in Jake" crowd use the reasoning as a source to bash on JP. I haven't seen any proof that its actually true. Thats what this thread is about.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by NASurfer
                  I'm not sure if accepting it would change the tone of it. I meant that its an insult to Plummer's ability as a QB. Which is what it is.

                  Back to square one, how do we know what Shanahan is thinking when it comes to the run heavy game plans?

                  If it is truely to prevent JP from hurting the team, I've got no problem with it. Just show me.
                  It seems there are a few games we went pass heavy on this year. Buffalo game last week comes to mind. We relied on Jake to toss 37 passes that game. We came out passing instead of running. That speaks of confidence in our passer. 37 passes and no INTs. Very nice indeed. And we got the win out of it. Even nicer
                  And didnt we also pass heavy against the Eagles?
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by BroncFanIN
                    It seems there are a few games we went pass heavy on this year. Buffalo game last week comes to mind. We relied on Jake to toss 37 passes that game. We came out passing instead of running. That speaks of confidence in our passer. 37 passes and no INTs. Very nice indeed. And we got the win out of it. Even nicer
                    And didnt we also pass heavy against the Eagles?

                    There have been instances were we have opened up with the passing attack. Thing is as a whole we have been run heavy all year, and all of a suddenly "Shanny scaled back the playbook". I'm just curious to see how people were able to come up with that conclusion. How do they know what Shanahan is thinking? Id like to see some kind of proof on this, because I may have missed it.

                    And Ravage, it is an insult. Look at the first quote in this thread. It definitely has been used as ammo by the "I don't believe in Jake" crowd.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by broncos_mtnman
                      This is St. Jake code speak....

                      "Advantage of his strengths" - code for "not letting him make decisions"

                      "Stay away from his weaknesses" - code for "not letting him make decisions"


                      Hate on Plummer all you want......because guess what hes not going anywhere anytime soon and if he and the team win a playoff game hes not going anywhere for years....so complain and cry and do whatever you do...but your just wasting your time
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