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  • #31
    Does anyone have any clips of the Bailey fumble from multiple angles? I work as a software engineer some co-workers and myself could plot the angles of trajectory, estimated speed of the tackler and angle in which Bailey fell out of bounds. We can use a transparency overlay to show the actual video with superimposed lines showing the path of the ball, and which planes it crosses. It may take several days but would be a fun project during down time at work.
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    • #32
      Originally posted by lbargers
      Does anyone have any clips of the Bailey fumble from multiple angles? I work as a software engineer some co-workers and myself could plot the angles of trajectory, estimated speed of the tackler and angle in which Bailey fell out of bounds. We can use a transparency overlay to show the actual video with superimposed lines showing the path of the ball, and which planes it crosses. It may take several days but would be a fun project during down time at work.
      That would be great. I don't know whether is helpful but the nfl.com video section, in "week 19" has a video (Patriots-Broncos post-game coverage, part I), the play is around the middle. The problem is, it seems that the video is streaming only.

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      • #33
        NFL Total Access did a review of the game tonight, showing most of the highlights. They showed a bunch of angles of the Champ INT. The most important was from a handheld camera on the opposite (Pat's sideline) that showed the play from about a 45 degree angle.

        This camera angle showed definitively that the ball went out of bounds, and did not cross the plane of the goal line or ever reach the pylon. The ball went out at least a foot short of the sideline. They will be replaying total access again tonight if anyone has DirecTV and is curious, check it out.

        I was doubting it until I saw that angle, but it is very conclusive that the ball was OB, not a touch back.
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        • #34
          Thanks, I'll be checking NFL Net in the morning for the replay of that show. Official Review is usually pretty good.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by gobroncsnv
            Thanks, I'll be checking NFL Net in the morning for the replay of that show. Official Review is usually pretty good.

            The angle to look for is from the far side line at about a 45* angle to champs run. It looked like the camera was low, like the cameraman was sitting or kneeling.
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            • #36
              You must spread some Contributor Status around before giving it to tnedator again.

              Can't say I didn't try. If there is a visual that shows the refs got this call right, perhaps this will shut off 1% of the Pats fans whining.... No small thing, that.
              Wish the mods would make an exception to the rule here. Good Find!

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              • #37
                I honestly have no idea whether the ball crossed the pylon or not. I saw no replays that swayed me one way or the other. It was a totally inconclusive play. Whatever was called on the field was going to be upheld. Glad it went our way.
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                • #38
                  Ok, I am pretty sure it is about to be shown again in a couple minutes on NFL Total Access, starting about 49 minutes into the program, where they do an in depth review of the game's key plays, using video highlights and KOA radio announcers.

                  Total access is replaying from last night, and 6:30 (Denver time), it will replay again, so around 7:19 Denver time this morning, it should be on again.

                  This is assuming my memory is correct and this is where I saw it last night, I watched 4 different football/Bronco shows last night (playbook, totally football, etc.). Last night.

                  Since I have no video capture option, if it comes up again, I will pause with Tivo and take a picture with camera if possible.
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                  • #39
                    Here you go, this is a link to a single web page with the 9 or so pictures and descriptions, showing the video sequence from a camera angle that shows the ball never crossed the goalline/pylon. I don't have video capture capabilities, so had to take digital pics, so the quality isn't great, but it is clear.

                    http://www.tnedstats.com/broncos/ChampsINTFUMB.htm
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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Amigo_Bronco
                      Any engineers or physicists with some time to spare willing to take a look at the possibilities?

                      No, I've seen enough. But thanks for asking.

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                      [EDIT] Ah, there you go. Sorry tnedator, didn't mean to steal your thunder!
                      Last edited by sbutk; 01-18-2006, 06:19 AM.
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                      sbutk: i can see why Denver is taking TO's right now [trailing by 7, with 30 seconds left in the half]. but why Oakland???

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by atomicbloke
                        I work on mathematical simulations like this at work so let me take a shot at understanding this.

                        The plane of the pylon is an imaginary wall on the goal-line. Imagine another wall running along the side-line. The corner where both walls meet is the pylon.

                        Now imagine you are in your room running towards the wall infront of you and another wall to your left side. You are running parallel to the wall to your left. Now if you lose the ball and it hits the wall infront of you or the corner of the room, it's a touchback. If it hits the wall to your side, it's out of bounds, like the call in the game. (If I understand the rule correctly).

                        Now BroncoManiac_69 mentioned the wall infront of you (the wall on the goal-line) extends forever. That is true but the point is moot. If the ball hits the wall on the side first, it's out of bounds. From all angles I have seen, none were conclusive which wall it hit first. But my point is, if the ball had to hit the wall infront of you, it would have to have a very straight trajectory, almost parallel to the side wall. It did not appear so on the replays.

                        That would be the physics explanation, but please correct me if I have misunderstood the football rules. I just can't see how anyone can confidently say it crossed the wall infront like the sportswriters are doing.

                        Very well put. And thanks for setting the record straight: It is a moot point that the goal line continues out of bounds infinitely. That only matters when the player is still connected to the ball.
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                        sbutk: i can see why Denver is taking TO's right now [trailing by 7, with 30 seconds left in the half]. but why Oakland???

                        Captain Lori: You are trying to figure out the Raiders. Try figuring out women instead; it's probably much easier.

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                        • #42
                          Whether or not it was a touchback or out of bounds. I know that my Patriot friends were laughing so hard.

                          But.. I was the one who got to laugh in the end.

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by BroncoFanCam
                            Comcast what.. internet? Or cable TV? I wonder where I can view this image???
                            I would think the internet.
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Firstwave64
                              Hell Plummer and the broncos have shown they can win...I remember week 2...on cold pizza the one guy said..Denver is not going to the playoffs....I been hearing for years..Jake can't win a playoff game....and Now theres only 1 more left..Jake will never take denver to the superbowl...Guess what...noone is saying that now
                              We don't have to justify anything to anybody. 14-3 and counting.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Amigo_Bronco
                                The angles CBS had during the transmision weren't conclusive, but if no decision was made, and you have to pick something (out of bounds or over the end-zone) probably I would have picked over the end zone.

                                Now, something funny, the NBC Boston channel has an angle from "behind" (I guess they were behind the opposite end-zone, probably towards the corner). In that angle the ball seems to fly out of bounds. Anyway, too close to call.

                                Any engineers or physicists with some time to spare willing to take a look at the possibilities?
                                I think the referees should have deferred to the crowd since they were a lot closer and had a much better view!

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