A Moment of Silence for Portis...

[FireShanahan]

The told you guys a long time ago that Shanahan didn't care to much for Portis and now this shows it. Enough with all the excuses and the fact that we need a shut down corner etc. Portis is being professional about the situation and in due time you'll see that things weren't that gret with the two from the beginning. Watch- you'll see! Now, as for Shanahan. If this guy wouldn't have gave Plummer 40 million before he proved himself as an ok QB and some question mark D-lineman, Daryl Garndener who never did prove his worth on our team nor on any team before we signed him but we gave him that kind of money (I think 30-something Million). We would have enough money to pay Portis if that wasn't a brilliant Shanahan idea from him last year. You can argue about Plummer having a good season all you want but he is not a 40 Million dollar quarterback. I know he did this and he did that but think about it what did he really do? Nothing that truly stands out among the elite. Portis is what made that team click on all cylinders. You can say, oh, Shanahan always have 1400 yard backs and so on but none like Portis. This guy was a rare find in this day and age. He could get the tough yards, run around you, over you, and run pass you faster than any back the Broncos have ever had. Don't get me wrong, Davis was great, Mike, and Olandis were good but Portis would have been the better and he was still so young. He made other players around him better (like our QB) along with the rest of the team and the attitude he had was great along side Sharpe and Hot Rod. For the people who said we needed a shutdown corner. Which Super Bowl, won or lost, did we ever have a shutdown corner? How about a great running back? I do agreed that we must move on but let's just be real and say what heck are we going to do without this guy because he was and would have been a great Bronco. Don't get me wrong, I respect Shanahan but I call it like I see it. That was a terrible decision on his part (and anyone else who had their hand in the deal from the Broncos org.) regardless and we'll all see in the long run. Even if we do get a back that runs for 1400 it will not be the same as Portis would have done it. I don't think we realize what we had. Think about that! In Portis, what did we really have? He was so young and talented! Forget the business side of the deal because he was the BUSINESS and we just gave him away. P.S. Shannan Sharpe will not be back after this happen.

[Beretta 07]

What a one sided-childish arguement. What kind of loser would create an sn just to announce his hatred for Shanny? Shanny is a great coach, and I trust what he does. Were you present in the locker room with Shanny and Portis while they talked? How do you KNOW that Shanahan doesn't like Portis for sure? YOU DON'T.

Plummer hasn't had the time to do anything "elite" as you put it, because since 97 he's onyl played for a VERY medicocre team. You can't judge greatness in one year of playing.

I'd put more stuff in here to combat your post, but i have to go clean out my fish tank... you're lucky i have to leave. lol

[CDNBronco]

CP has always admitted that he had a chip on his shoulder about being drafted in the 2nd round. In every interview you EVER saw with him he seemed to focus on himself and how he needed to prove everybody wrong. It's that kind of thinking that leads to ego trips and not being a true team player. It's pretty obvious that he wanted to be THE highest paid back ever, I'm glad we're not payin him, hope he's happy now...

He's very talented but you need more than 2 years in the league to warrant that kind of cash. I applaud Shanny for this move and have faith that come opening day we'll see why.

[ddolak]

Been there, heard that. Portis is a great runner, but a great runner is easier to find than a great CB. CP got a little greedy and the Broncos have a team policy that no one renegotiates till their final season. If we would have done it for CP that sets a whole new standard and people will ask for money after their first or second year all the time. People would just threaten to hold out to scare the team into giving more money. Thats not how a good business is run. Remember, this IS a business.

BTW, the NFL has changed in the last few years. Everyone is airing it out now and if you don't have a good-great secondary, you have little chance of making the Super Bowl, let alone win it. So yeah, in the past we won 2 Super Bowls without a shutdown corner and a great runner, but since the NFL is ever changing, that may not work next time.

[FireShanahan]

Why didn't you speak on the money others got who didn't deserve it...

Portis was asking for less with the Broncos and Dan Synder felt like before other teams try and get this guy because he is "The HOTTEST thing on the market" I better give him an unmatchable offer because "I'm Dan Synder." Portis would have signed with us for less than that but he was worth big bucks. For the guy who said this is an air-it-out league. Do you watch football? There weren't too many 300 QB this year as there were years ago. Also, how many teams have won the Superbowl without airing it out. When was the last time the SuperBowl MVP was a true shutdown corner. Larry Brown of the Dallas Cowboys, what a laugh. lol. lol. Shutdown corners have never won a game unless weren't talking Deion. If Champ was so much of a shutdown corner that could get a team to the promise land why weren't he there?

[broncosfan247]

hhmm, ya because the Patriots and Bucs had such GREAT running backs in their SB journeys.

[Beretta 07]

Re: Why didn't you speak on the money others got who didn't deserve it...

Originally posted by FireShanahan
When was the last time the SuperBowl MVP was a true shutdown corner. Larry Brown of the Dallas Cowboys, what a laugh. lol. lol. Shutdown corners have never won a game unless weren't talking Deion. If Champ was so much of a shutdown corner that could get a team to the promise land why weren't he there?

First of all, Deion Sanders is a flashy, annoying, self-centered, pansy. Yeah sure, he could knock the ball down but he was too scared to bring anyone down because he might get his uniform green with grass. Also, when was the last time ANY defensive position won SB MVP? I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure not within at least the last 5+ years.

If you love Portis so much, and hate Shanahan so much, why don't you move your band-wagonering ass to Washington and root for Portis over there. You obviously don't want to be here.

[rcsodak]

The new news just showed up on the web site. Sunny is talking about the trade. Here's a tidbit:

"If you get into a situation where suddenly you're allowing players to renegotiate in the middle of their contracts for whatever reason, you're opening up a Pandora's Box, in our opinion," Sundquist said. "Mike didn't feel it was appropriate just to tear up (Portis') entire contract. He wanted something back, saying, 'We can give you a little bit -- it's not going to be exactly what you want, but we'll give you some more. In return for that, we want some more years. You're going to have to give us something back."

"Of course, that's not something that he wanted to do. Then in the final year, what Mike has done in the past is given players the opportunity to seek a trade, if they felt like they couldn't wait one more year. If they could find a trade and we could agree to compensation, then we would entertain that possibility. Case in point, Al Wilson last year. He gave Al the opportunity to do that."

A year later, Portis got the chance to shop himself, even though two years remained on his contract.

"They went to Washington, and at that point Washington really wasn't interested in giving up draft-choice what we were wanting," Sundquist said. "But they knew they had Champ, and that he was not happy there. Obviously, our quest for a shutdown corner is well-documented. That's where that came from."

[dandaman23]

Re: Re: Why didn't you speak on the money others got who didn't deserve it...

Originally posted by Beretta 07
. Also, when was the last time ANY defensive position won SB MVP? I might be wrong, but i'm pretty sure not within at least the last 5+ years.

Last time was FS Dexter Jackson of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 years ago.

[DPg2003]

Originally posted by rcsodak
The new news just showed up on the web site. Sunny is talking about the trade. Here's a tidbit:

"If you get into a situation where suddenly you're allowing players to renegotiate in the middle of their contracts for whatever reason, you're opening up a Pandora's Box, in our opinion," Sundquist said. "Mike didn't feel it was appropriate just to tear up (Portis') entire contract. He wanted something back, saying, 'We can give you a little bit -- it's not going to be exactly what you want, but we'll give you some more. In return for that, we want some more years. You're going to have to give us something back."

"Of course, that's not something that he wanted to do. Then in the final year, what Mike has done in the past is given players the opportunity to seek a trade, if they felt like they couldn't wait one more year. If they could find a trade and we could agree to compensation, then we would entertain that possibility. Case in point, Al Wilson last year. He gave Al the opportunity to do that."

A year later, Portis got the chance to shop himself, even though two years remained on his contract.

"They went to Washington, and at that point Washington really wasn't interested in giving up draft-choice what we were wanting," Sundquist said. "But they knew they had Champ, and that he was not happy there. Obviously, our quest for a shutdown corner is well-documented. That's where that came from."

Read that too. I think that Portis is an excellent RB, but it was time for him to go. At least we got Bailey and a early round draft pick instead of Portis holding out.

[Ravage!!!]

Last time a corner won the super bowl

Hmmm... I wonder if the Indy Colts feel that way after losing to the Patriots in the AFC Championship Game. I wonder if Marvin Harrison feels that way? I wonder if the WR's for the Carolina Panthers feel that a shutdown corner isn't needed to win the SB?

I wonder if the Oakland Raider feel that great defenses don't win Super Bowls? I wonder what Rich Gannon would say about that?

I'm curious, I wonder what the NY Giants would say about playing against a Great defense and a shutdown type corner in the Super Bowl?

Ask Issac Bruce what he thinks about Ty Law in the loss to the Patriots in their super bowl?

I wonder if the KC Chiefs would agree with you if you say offense and a great running back wins Championships?

Top Defense teams in the league:

Baltimore: McAllister
New England: Law
Miami: Surtain
Tennessee: Rolle
Tampa Bay: Barber

and Bailey is considered better than ALlllllll of these guys

I've asked this once to people, and I'll ask it again. First off, Portis was NOT as good as TD.. never was, never will be. SECOND... Considering that Denver has produced 1300+ yard rushers with Orlandis Gary and Mike Anderson... what makes us think that Clinton Portis didn't benefit from our offensive system? Am I wrong when I say that we had clinton last year and didn't go anywhere... didn't we lose this year when Clinton was in the game but Jake was hurt? So who is the key to the offense?

Is 200 more yards per season and a few extra rushing TD's WORTH spending 50 million dollars?? Considering the formula to win SB's is defense.. strong linebackers and a shut down corner (ala the last four super bowl champions)... and considering the SHORTAGE of GREAT corners in teh NFL... I'm excited that the Denver Broncos have to be considered an ELITE defense now..

[Beretta 07]

Re: Re: Re: Why didn't you speak on the money others got who didn't deserve it...

Originally posted by dandaman23
Last time was FS Dexter Jackson of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers 2 years ago.

Alright then.. thanks.

[broncos4ever]

Re: A Moment of Silence for Portis...

Originally posted by FireShanahan
The told you guys a long time ago that Shanahan didn't care to much for Portis and now this shows it.

Did you even listen to the press conference that Champ Bailey had?

You know you have an AXE to grind, but you need to sharpen it to cut the wood.

Right now you have no flint or sharpening tools.

Now is not the time to talk about Shanahan.

Shanahan was very gracious with all his remarks about Portis and very upfront.

Can you be the same???

[orangenblue420]

Someone posted a thread about how this was not Shanahans decision but Bowlens - I am trying to fnd it because it is very enlightening as to Clinton's attitude and the offers that were made to him that HE turned down - CP stated he would turn down any offer that didnt make him the highest paid RB in the league - I'm not bashing CP now, I like him and who knows what he could have done had he stayed but that kinda attitude stinks IMHO - he was all pissy about being taken in the 2nd round but thats not Denvers fault - he was passed up by all the other teams in the first round as well - so to lay blame to the Broncos on that one is a bit retarded - anyways shanahater - take a freakin chill pill - this was Bowlens deal not shanny - why dont you see if you can get him fired

[wesuckrealbad]

Re: A Moment of Silence for Portis...

Originally posted by FireShanahan
In Portis, what did we really have?

childish arrogance
immaturity
injuries
ME player instead of team player
a possible locker room cancer

Yeah, the Broncos should have mortgaged the farm for that guy...