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  • #16
    First installment . . .

    (Had to divide it into two posts. I exceeded this asinine character limit.)

    Originally posted by lancane
    Okay so where should the Broncos go to remain competitive, well simple Shanahan needs to get off his *** and get to work, we all know Kubiaks loss is hard, but it could be good, a good quarterback coach or reciever coach in his spot could work miracles, and yes I hope it is ol' Humdinger (Pun) but the fact is I also think we need a new O-Line coach as well and I would be looking at Atlanta or K.C. for someone...no names, but there are some good ones' in those organizations.
    Dennison's fine, IMO, if he'll stay. You have to consider, Cane, what the OL did for the running game, despite their dearth of talent. A lot of that has to be the coaching. Nope . . . . I would form a posse to hunt him down if he left.

    Shanahan needs to squash all the hype about the comings and goings of T.O. and Ricky Williams, we have a good backfield with Bell, Anderson and Dayne, though Shanahan wants to make one the arguable workhorse, I would actually be surprised to see Denver even draft one this year.
    We would be silly to try to get a superstar at RB. Ordinarily, MA's 33 years (by next fall) would be old, but we must remember he doesn't have many miles on that chiseled body. Bell finally showed some cutback ability and elusiveness toward the end of the year. And I will be mildly surprised if Dayne doesn't show us something next year. Yes, I would love to see a reincarnation of O.J. Simpson (well, a physical one) in the backfield, but I want nothing to do with the cap problems it would cause. The answer is not at RB (see below).

    Quarterbacks, well I hope they are looking in the draft for one to eventually or in the near future to be the next (franchise) quarterback, I will leave this subject alone... It is a touchy one with me!
    Good idea . . . you want no part of me on this one!

    Recievers, okay people I hear all the T.O. crap year in and year out, and he will be cheaper lines, no he will not be, there are teams that will easily take him for a bit less then what Philly was paying him, he would still be too costly for a team like Denver well into a fiscal hole. Do we need a reciever? Yes, but we do not need a caliber icon like T.O., we need a possession reciever. We need a 6-4, 6-5 and 200+ lbs. monster with hands that will make LBs' and safeties question hitting him.

    Why? Well that is simple, look at the game films this year, we are not a long bomb team and we have that threat with Lelie whom is going to get better and better, but if you look with how teams cover Smith (Mid-Field) as is the same with our tight ends, throw another in there that can catch the ball and punish the tackler, we can open up more options. I would like to see Smith stand down to the 2nd reciever spot and see Lelie as the 1st, add a possession reciever whom can close in between five to ten yards of the line of scrimmage with Smith in the middle and Lelie running for a break, we could be very dangerous. (This is what we had with Smith, McCaffrey and Sharpe).
    I gotta admit, Cane, I find T.O. awfully tempting under the right contractual circumstances. However, I don't hold out much hope for those circumstances. I just wish Lelie was better at lateral movement and at beating press coverage. But since he leads the league in YPC, he's worth keeping on the squad. Regarding your big receiver, another Terrell, David Terrell, a former #1 draft pick at about 6'3", 210 lbs., is waiting in the wings. Which really puzzles me because his situation does not fit Shanny's M.O. A player either is activated once in a while to do something, or Shanny sends someone around to him with a pink slip. What gives? He must show promise, then. I would love to see someone of David Terrell's size coming out of the slot.

    Another one is Nate Jackson, who they've been trying at TE. Apparently, he's not working out too well there because they have sent out even Wesley Duke ahead of him. Jackson is about 6'3", and he weighs between 225 and 230. I remember some very tough catches he made over the middle as a WR last year before his injury. Maybe he should go back? Anyway, I would like to think the ammo we need at that position is already in our own bunker.

    The O-Line right now is in a state of chaos because? Well simple, we are worrying too much about losses etc. Nalen hopefully can come back same as with Lepsis, but Lepsis is the more important of the two, we have Hamilton in the waiting whom is better suited for center then guard, so our priority is guards, these are the QBs' biggest protectors, well should be. I think Denver will get a top notch guard in the draft and hopefully replace Carlisle via F.A., but Lepsis would be the hardest to replace, tackles are not easy to come by.
    No, the OL is not in chaos. We have some mild concerns. But Shanny is not about to let Nalen or Lepsis go. They are the only two I am really concerned about. I would feel the same about Foster if he would play up to his size and draft status. But the guards . . . We gotta use a first-rounder on a guard! Hell, Shanny might as well take the gamble; he hasn't done too well DAFTing in the first round, anyway, outside D.J. Williams.

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    • #17
      Second installment . . .

      Originally posted by lancane
      Overall the offense even with Plummer at the helm need little to be contention credible once the season starts. However, defense is our weekest link right now.
      Right. ESPECIALLY with Jake at the helm.

      Denver has no incredible players lining up on the line, I like Warren whom had a good year, Brown might come back to anchor the weak side, but it depends. Pryce will have an option, take a price cut and take over the weak side and have Ekuban as his backup or do not take a paycut and leave... Shanahan already said his deal needs restructured to stay, but where he plays on the line can be a factor also. If Pryce refuses, he is gone and Brown will get a deal to stay. But this still leaves Denver with two glaring needs a tackle and an end, here is where I see Denver making the most impact via the draft and F.A., they will be looking or should be for two pass rushing athletes, though the tackle will be more balanced, I think the end will be whom has the best speed to help our pass rush. As always we will add through F.A. and we have George Gause whom could be ready to make an impact from our practice squad, remember he was considered to be a 4th round pick in last years draft!
      I believe we're pretty set at DL (if we can keep them), with three exceptions: Pryce, C. Brown, and a true pass rusher. Pryce and Brown are the same kind of DEs: They have power in abundance and are death on the run. When rushing the passer, they can drive the blocker right back into the QB. However, we need only one DE doing that; the other DE must be the fast, quick guy who comes in and makes the QB run right into the power guy. Warren is great for pushing up the middle. I admire Myers for the way he leaves it all on the field; he just does not have as much to leave as I would like to see. Personally, I would like to get Pryce to gain back his weight to tackle dimensions and put him in there beside Warren. Then I would tap Engelberger on the shoulder and tell him he's up for RDE. At around 4.58 in the 40, Engleberger is one fast dude. At least, I would like to try it out and see what happens. Either way, it surely would be nice to bring another pass rusher in from somewhere.

      Now linebacker is set, though I do not like it! What? That's right I think Ian Gold was a big mistake, he costs too much and well, we have other needs... If I was Shanahan I would move D.J. to which ever spot he was better at, get a reasonable athlete for the other and use Gold in a trade maybe with Pryce even and get some cap space open for the other needs. I am not nuts, but remember we went to the SB with Romanowski, Mobley and who? No big stars, just a good linebacker.
      Such a suggestion once raised my hackles. Why would someone want to break up the fastest unit, and one of the best units, in all of football. Well, we start with the cost you mentioned. Was it you who pointed out that the three are costing the organization around $96 million? In addiiton, we have a true WILL in D.J. Williams over there playing SAM. Now, he's doing a good job, but he still is better at WILL. Are we better off with the linebackers and DL we have, or would be be better off pulling in our reins at LB a bit and getting that pass rusher? One thought: Why is Chukwurah over there warming his buns on the bench? No, he's not as fast as the top three, but at 4.62 he's not slow, either. And he was a monster at times last year. Why do I see a little Romanowski (albeit not so dirty) in him?

      Cornerbacks are well into where they should be, Walls needs to go, Alexander too. But overall we have Champ, Foxworth, Williams, Big P and I think Foxworth will come into his own this year and take the other slot, he will be a good corner, not great but good, he did damn well for a rook considered to be a wasted pick in the draft!

      Safeties, this is the old mans territory, my expert area. Lynch unless he retires will be ready to go at least one more year, and for all those whom say we need a cover safety in his spot? I say quit smoking that pipe with white rocks... We need a hard hitter whom can get into the pass or help with the rush...a Lynch clone. Actually we just need to start grooming his replacement, we could get a good young hard hitting FS in F.A. or in the draft, but either way one whom we can develop for a year or two at the most. As far as Ferguson goes... I am unimpressed by his play this year, but what do you expect from someone whom is just becoming a starter and is nearly John Lynch's age. This is where Denver needs a cover safety and can be handled with a good pickup in F.A., unfortunatley this is the best option, we need a safety to cover and make plays, so for an immediate impact F.A. is the only way to go, I would let Fergy' be either a backup or let him loose.
      They need to stop calling Lynch a free safety and play him as what he is: a run-stuffing, blitzing strong safety. They did that with Atwater in his later years, and Atwater run-stuffed and blitzed them right into the Super Bowl. I'm eager to see what Brandon Browner can do, coming off his injury. He was a jewel in college. At 6'4", 220-225, he is big, and as a former CB he should know how to cover and ball-hawk. Man, that would be a blessing if he came through!

      All in all if Denver can fill these few but important gaps in the team, Denver will make another run, if they fail to do so and Shanahan messes up in the draft and does not fill them, we will be lucky to go 9-7 and hope for a wild card spot. Plummer and the rest gave up the blueprint to how to kick our ***es against Pittsburgh, stop the run best you can and get to our QB make him turn into his old self and you own the offense. To stop the defense hold off their QB pressure and pass, the D will crumble... If Plummer gets a revamped line and a new target, the offense can sideswipe the blueprint, the same if the defense can get more pressure and can cover better...
      You are absolutely right, IMO, about the W-L if we don't do something to plug the holes. If we thought this year's schedule was tough, next year's is murderer's row! In 2006, we will not get away with last year's deficiencies! We need a vastly improved pass rush, a better blocker at OG, and three legitimate threats at WR. We also need a TE to step up and raise the level over last year's mediocre level.

      We have a budding juggernaut here for a team. If we do all those things, we will go 14-2 and win the SB. If not, then 9-7 is a very real possibility.

      Oh yes, let's get a new DC while we're at it.



      (How'd I do, Chief?)

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      • #18
        You're off on some of your statements. Analyst or not, some of your views are just wrong.

        Ian Gold was our best playmaker on defense behind Bailey. If you do not have the propensity to understand that realm of ability, please watch DJ Williams' pathetic excuse as a WILL last season. Ian Gold is also arguably the best coverage LB in the NFL, a key reason why we shut down TEs this season.

        DJ Williams is a complete first round bust, if anyone should be traded, it would be he. He's on the bench in most of our packages anyway. And just so some of you folks know, DJ Williams true natural position is at MIKE. Not at WILL. He'll never play there again.

        Gerrard Warren was the least productive starting DT in the entire NFL. That's not a good season. You can clog blockers and tackle. Everyone else does so. He was lazy and he gave minimal effort. Fans, just like with DJ Williams, get distracted with draft placement rather then actual ability.

        Ben Hamilton was mentioned as a Pro Bowl guard this season. I'm not sure how you can be much better at OC then a Pro Bowl calibur player. It would not surprise me to see him stay at OG. Also, our other starting OG, PJ Alexander, will be back from his injury, AND Cooper Carlisle graded out very well this season and is under contract for next year at a modest price.

        The Browncos were terrible. They gave us warm bodies, they allowed us to get through the season, but against any decent calibur o-line they were neutralized and we were clobbered. As mentioned, Gerrard Warren was the least productive starting DT in the NFL. Ebenezor Ekuban was a colossal failure as our featured pass rush specialist on nickel downs (keep in mind we had the most opportunities to get a sack in the NFL). Courtney Brown was injured or suffering ailments basically the majority of the season and his play was average at best. Trevor Pryce continued his downward spiral since the year 2000 with his worst professional season ever. Mike Myers was Mike Myers.

        I do think you have the proper observations concerning the majority of the offense, but there is no point putting spin on the things mentioned above. They are what they are.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
          Ian Gold was our best playmaker on defense behind Bailey. Ian Gold is also arguably the best coverage LB in the NFL, a key reason why we shut down TEs this season.


          Ben Hamilton was mentioned as a Pro Bowl guard this season. I'm not sure how you can be much better at OC then a Pro Bowl calibur player. It would not surprise me to see him stay at OG. Also, our other starting OG, PJ Alexander, will be back from his injury, AND Cooper Carlisle graded out very well this season and is under contract for next year at a modest price.
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          Tight end coverage...
          The why did Cooley (WA) have such a breakout game against us? How about Miller this last Sunday? The LB's have to go after the screens if the whole DL is being sucked in. Screens worked pretty well against us in the playoffs.

          Carlisle may have graded out ok, but we couldn't run right to save our lives. I'd like to see either a good draft, or see what Myers can do there. He sat out the year, hopefully he studied hard. We need to quit being a left-handed run team. Only thing that worked to the right was the boot, and that's because that play works when we fake the run left.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by gobroncsnv
            Tight end coverage...
            The why did Cooley (WA) have such a breakout game against us? How about Miller this last Sunday? The LB's have to go after the screens if the whole DL is being sucked in. Screens worked pretty well against us in the playoffs.

            Carlisle may have graded out ok, but we couldn't run right to save our lives. I'd like to see either a good draft, or see what Myers can do there. He sat out the year, hopefully he studied hard. We need to quit being a left-handed run team. Only thing that worked to the right was the boot, and that's because that play works when we fake the run left.

            You have to look at the larger body of work. Statistically, we were either the absolute top defense against tightends in the NFL this season or in the top 3. A bad game is going to happen, even by the best. Pittsburgh's defense got clobbered by Cincinatti the first game. It happens.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
              You have to look at the larger body of work. Statistically, we were either the absolute top defense against tightends in the NFL this season or in the top 3. A bad game is going to happen, even by the best. Pittsburgh's defense got clobbered by Cincinatti the first game. It happens.
              I'll buy that "bad games are going to happen" business, but try applying that logic with some around here against last weekend's game...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by dogfish
                HEY LANCANE:

                got a coupla questions for ya;

                1. you seem to think pretty highly of lelie, and i'm curious about that 'cause it's an opinion that hasn't been heard too much lately. . . anything in particular that you like about him. . . other than his great measurables, of course? seems to me that the organization would LOVE for him to TAKE the #1 spot away from smith, but i think they want lelie to earn it, which he really hasn't-- his production's decent for a #2, but he still doesn't run the best routes-- he's got fantastic COD and agility, he can make some truly acrobatic catches and adjust to the ball in the air-- then he loses focus and drops an easy one. of course, denver doesn't neccesarily need a true #1 with the production from the running game-- and i agree with you about a possession receiver, 3rd down really bit the team in the a$$ this year. . . you really think lelie has the mental makeup to be more productive than he has been so far? it certainly wouldn't hurt him to have a little more dedication in the weight-room this off-season, he's got the kind of frame to add more muscle without losing much quickness. . .

                2. you suggest an O-line coach from atlanta-- i'm assuming you don't mean gibbs himself? i wish!! aren't the other guys there trained by gibbs? do you think that their guys are better than dennison? and if denver does add a guard through FA, anyone stand ou to ya (other than hutchinson, obviously-- again, i wish!!) i read the other day that herm will do everything he can to keep their O-line coach (can't remember his name)-- do you think one of their assistants would be better than dennison? should have never let gibbs get away, i don't care if he "retires" every year. . .

                3. the safties. . . what about sam brandon, who is already on the roster? they used him quite a bit this year in their various nickel packages, and i thought he did a pretty decent job when they lined him up against gates and gonzalez-- he's faster than lynch or ferguson, he's got more range but probably isn't as instinctive. . . looks like he can hit a little bit. . . do you think he can be an every down type of player? right now, the broncs are basically starting 2 strong safeties, that's the "natural" position of both lynch and ferguson, and both are better in the box than playing center field. . . jerk or not, i'd give just about anything for a head-hunter like sean taylor who still has coverage speed, with his size and athleticism he's got great versatility and gives gregg williams a lot of options. . .

                also. . . i like the idea of dj williams back at the "will", it would allow him to run to the ball and make more plays-- gold is good (and fast!!), but he's tiny and also gets run over sometimes. . .

                whatdaya think?

                BRONCOS LOCOS!!
                First off you asked about O-Line coaches and if their are any others better then Gibbs or their teachers. The secret to any coach is he is a product of those he coached under (Shanahan is a combo of his College days but he is more a product of Reeves and Walsh - Not a bad damn combo) So when you think Dennison has only learned the line from Gibbs and only for a short tenure, you can seriously say that yes there are some better out there. John Matsko in K.C. is a good coach, but he also works with runningbacks and quarterbacks to develop his line, we could take someone an understudy of his and they would likely be succeed in our system, same goes for someone under Gibbs in Atlanta, but we also need one that is known for his passing protection, so we may look at NY because they are in dissmel chaos or maybe Indianapolis. As far as whom will be free agents we are too early to tell, obviously Hutchinson is a big name but the fact that Seattle is still playing causes a wait but each players team usually has the first option to sign and right now they are taking a breather, except for T.O.! However here in about four weeks I will recieve a report on the current free agents that are waiting and looking elsewhere or current teams are not sure and they are available to go elsewhere. March of course is when the official free agent period begins, but teams will have done gone to work trying to find what they need or will have resigned whom they can. I do think there are some top guards in the draft class and Denver could easily find a monster in the mix.

                As far as your question on Safeties... Well you said it we have two headhunters and that never quite gets the job done, Lynch if he does not retire needs to be replaced, now Sam Brandon could be a possible but risky try in his slot, but he is viable atleast to be a temporary salution. The other spot needs to be cleaned, we need to either draft a top cover safety (doubt) because we do not want to risk exposing the athlete and ruining him if not ready. So free agency is the best solution, by what I have heard safeties will be one of if not the biggest list of F.A. this off season, so obviously if financially right it could be the answer.

                Now as far as Lelie goes, I know many (PLUMMER FANS) like to blame him for the mess-ups, it is so easy to blame a receiver, but the fact is I can easily find atleast six games where Lelie has been open with nothing but field in fron of him, Plummer is a scramble quarterback (As a Defensive Coach I love them because they have usually more turnovers then pocket passers which are due to themselves) See a pocket QB can plant and rocket the ball a scrambler has a weker throw and less control, Jake though missed so many open receivers that his TDs' were less as was his INTs' because he threw more balls away but in the same sense he also missed too many opportunities. Lelie is lanky and yes he could use more muscle, but his speed could be effected! Lelie reminds me of Jerry Rice and Chad Johnson, he has the ability, the arm reach, the speed and the fundementals to be a good receiver, but you have to get him the ball more. Smith is the top target for Plummer as is anyone whom is a closer threat, he is not a long ball quarterback, so he reads his receivers but misses some and dumps off quickly, this is where this is costly for Lelie, Plummer should check off Lelie to Smith and then hit his third and fourth targets if need be, or unless the play is designated for another. A possession receiver in this mix will be a good move to get more quick yardage and when Smith retires we will then hopefully have (Speed - Lelie, Possession and a Tight End whom his better then we have had) This is like (Smith - Speed, McCaffrey - Possession, Sharpe - Tight End) our combo that helped us get and win two Superbowls.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by topscribe
                  (Had to divide it into two posts. I exceeded this asinine character limit.)


                  Dennison's fine, IMO, if he'll stay. You have to consider, Cane, what the OL did for the running game, despite their dearth of talent. A lot of that has to be the coaching. Nope . . . . I would form a posse to hunt him down if he left.


                  We would be silly to try to get a superstar at RB. Ordinarily, MA's 33 years (by next fall) would be old, but we must remember he doesn't have many miles on that chiseled body. Bell finally showed some cutback ability and elusiveness toward the end of the year. And I will be mildly surprised if Dayne doesn't show us something next year. Yes, I would love to see a reincarnation of O.J. Simpson (well, a physical one) in the backfield, but I want nothing to do with the cap problems it would cause. The answer is not at RB (see below).


                  Good idea . . . you want no part of me on this one!


                  I gotta admit, Cane, I find T.O. awfully tempting under the right contractual circumstances. However, I don't hold out much hope for those circumstances. I just wish Lelie was better at lateral movement and at beating press coverage. But since he leads the league in YPC, he's worth keeping on the squad. Regarding your big receiver, another Terrell, David Terrell, a former #1 draft pick at about 6'3", 210 lbs., is waiting in the wings. Which really puzzles me because his situation does not fit Shanny's M.O. A player either is activated once in a while to do something, or Shanny sends someone around to him with a pink slip. What gives? He must show promise, then. I would love to see someone of David Terrell's size coming out of the slot.

                  Another one is Nate Jackson, who they've been trying at TE. Apparently, he's not working out too well there because they have sent out even Wesley Duke ahead of him. Jackson is about 6'3", and he weighs between 225 and 230. I remember some very tough catches he made over the middle as a WR last year before his injury. Maybe he should go back? Anyway, I would like to think the ammo we need at that position is already in our own bunker.


                  No, the OL is not in chaos. We have some mild concerns. But Shanny is not about to let Nalen or Lepsis go. They are the only two I am really concerned about. I would feel the same about Foster if he would play up to his size and draft status. But the guards . . . We gotta use a first-rounder on a guard! Hell, Shanny might as well take the gamble; he hasn't done too well DAFTing in the first round, anyway, outside D.J. Williams.

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                  Top, I tried to lay off Plummer, but I will tell the truth on everything else; Dennison is a one track line coach. Our line is very good at the rush but we lack in the pass protection area and this could be costly, we also have to take in consideration that he may stay or may go, either way some new blood would not hurt at this point. But the guards, well Hamilton I think is one of the best lineman in the league, Lepsis is good, Foster will be excellent, Nalen is great and Carlisle well, I thought he should never have returned. But our right side is weak because of it and the pass protection.

                  Nate Jackson - The next McCaffrey, why does it seem Denver wants the next great white hope? I heard it all last year with Jackson, I will tell you the truth, If he is not good enough to cover the tight end spot, then he is not the possession receiver Denver needs. And as for the David Terrell issue, he never broke out in Chicago nor in New England and remember his signing was a big deal... So common he was let go after all that, he obviously is not what we need, just like we do not need T.O. But there is a stacked group in the draft that will have some available from the first to the fourth rounds, Denver should maybe take a risk here and try!

                  And obviously we agree on the runningbacks, "If it's not broken, don't fix it!"

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                  • #24
                    Well . . .

                    Originally posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan
                    You're off on some of your statements. Analyst or not, some of your views are just wrong.

                    Ian Gold was our best playmaker on defense behind Bailey. If you do not have the propensity to understand that realm of ability, please watch DJ Williams' pathetic excuse as a WILL last season. Ian Gold is also arguably the best coverage LB in the NFL, a key reason why we shut down TEs this season.

                    DJ Williams is a complete first round bust, if anyone should be traded, it would be he. He's on the bench in most of our packages anyway. And just so some of you folks know, DJ Williams true natural position is at MIKE. Not at WILL. He'll never play there again.

                    Gerrard Warren was the least productive starting DT in the entire NFL. That's not a good season. You can clog blockers and tackle. Everyone else does so. He was lazy and he gave minimal effort. Fans, just like with DJ Williams, get distracted with draft placement rather then actual ability.

                    Ben Hamilton was mentioned as a Pro Bowl guard this season. I'm not sure how you can be much better at OC then a Pro Bowl calibur player. It would not surprise me to see him stay at OG. Also, our other starting OG, PJ Alexander, will be back from his injury, AND Cooper Carlisle graded out very well this season and is under contract for next year at a modest price.

                    The Browncos were terrible. They gave us warm bodies, they allowed us to get through the season, but against any decent calibur o-line they were neutralized and we were clobbered. As mentioned, Gerrard Warren was the least productive starting DT in the NFL. Ebenezor Ekuban was a colossal failure as our featured pass rush specialist on nickel downs (keep in mind we had the most opportunities to get a sack in the NFL). Courtney Brown was injured or suffering ailments basically the majority of the season and his play was average at best. Trevor Pryce continued his downward spiral since the year 2000 with his worst professional season ever. Mike Myers was Mike Myers.

                    I do think you have the proper observations concerning the majority of the offense, but there is no point putting spin on the things mentioned above. They are what they are.
                    MUG, you seem far better at analyzing draft prospects than you are at evaluating talent on a team . . . . at least this team.

                    It is true that Gold is a fine player and has made an impact. However, you seem to forget . . . or never did know . . . that D.J. Williams played WILL as a rookie the previous year, so his performance was bound to be less than what it would be later. Moreover, his performance was admired by better known analysts than you. I honestly do not know how you can maintain that he was a "bust." I believe he was a success and continues to be.

                    Stating that Warren was "the least productive starting DT in the entire NFL" is a monumental stretch. One of the players who has drawn raves from camp, from allllllll the coaches, is Gerrard Warren. He is cited for the success in the stiff run defense the Broncos presented each week.

                    The guards looked good until the Broncos ran into the likes of NE and Pitt. If anything exposed the need to upgrade from flyweight it comprised those games.

                    It seems everyone but you considers the Browncos a resounding success. Yes, a true pass rusher is needed, but scrapping the other excellent players along the line is not.

                    As I implied, I admire your analyses regarding draft prospects, and I have learned a great deal from reading through them in the other forum. However, it would seem you should stay in that realm.

                    IMHO.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Krugan
                      Im am curious, have you been paying much attention to the senior bowl this year?

                      I have a question about a few names, if you have any inside information or feelings about these guys.

                      Stoval, WR out of Notre Dame.

                      Wilson, WR out of Oklahoma.

                      Hali, DE out Penn State.

                      Robinson, QB Penn state

                      I wont go further than that. I dont wont to bog you down with a bunch of questions, but you have somewhat of an inside track and I was wondering if you had heard any news.
                      I can't speak for all of them, but word seems to be that Robinson will be drafted to play safety.

                      Stovall looks very attractive with that huge frame of his...yesterday during the senior bowl practices, Kiper said he expects Stovall to go anywhere from 25th to 40th in the draft.

                      "The Gagne T-shirt jersey comes with a complimentary can of gasoline and a set of matches."

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by NJBRONCOSFAN
                        I can't speak for all of them, but word seems to be that Robinson will be drafted to play safety.

                        Stovall looks very attractive with that huge frame of his...yesterday during the senior bowl practices, Kiper said he expects Stovall to go anywhere from 25th to 40th in the draft.
                        Its a shame they expect that out of Robinson, his passing improved so much over the last year.

                        Although he is athletic enough to pull that move off.

                        Yea Stoval would be a solid choice, although I am not sure Denver should go that way with the projected Dline players in that same draft area.

                        I will stop here, this is the wrong forum for going to far with draft talks

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by topscribe
                          Right. ESPECIALLY with Jake at the helm.


                          I believe we're pretty set at DL (if we can keep them), with three exceptions: Pryce, C. Brown, and a true pass rusher. Pryce and Brown are the same kind of DEs: They have power in abundance and are death on the run. When rushing the passer, they can drive the blocker right back into the QB. However, we need only one DE doing that; the other DE must be the fast, quick guy who comes in and makes the QB run right into the power guy. Warren is great for pushing up the middle. I admire Myers for the way he leaves it all on the field; he just does not have as much to leave as I would like to see. Personally, I would like to get Pryce to gain back his weight to tackle dimensions and put him in there beside Warren. Then I would tap Engelberger on the shoulder and tell him he's up for RDE. At around 4.58 in the 40, Engleberger is one fast dude. At least, I would like to try it out and see what happens. Either way, it surely would be nice to bring another pass rusher in from somewhere.


                          Such a suggestion once raised my hackles. Why would someone want to break up the fastest unit, and one of the best units, in all of football. Well, we start with the cost you mentioned. Was it you who pointed out that the three are costing the organization around $96 million? In addiiton, we have a true WILL in D.J. Williams over there playing SAM. Now, he's doing a good job, but he still is better at WILL. Are we better off with the linebackers and DL we have, or would be be better off pulling in our reins at LB a bit and getting that pass rusher? One thought: Why is Chukwurah over there warming his buns on the bench? No, he's not as fast as the top three, but at 4.62 he's not slow, either. And he was a monster at times last year. Why do I see a little Romanowski (albeit not so dirty) in him?


                          They need to stop calling Lynch a free safety and play him as what he is: a run-stuffing, blitzing strong safety. They did that with Atwater in his later years, and Atwater run-stuffed and blitzed them right into the Super Bowl. I'm eager to see what Brandon Browner can do, coming off his injury. He was a jewel in college. At 6'4", 220-225, he is big, and as a former CB he should know how to cover and ball-hawk. Man, that would be a blessing if he came through!


                          You are absolutely right, IMO, about the W-L if we don't do something to plug the holes. If we thought this year's schedule was tough, next year's is murderer's row! In 2006, we will not get away with last year's deficiencies! We need a vastly improved pass rush, a better blocker at OG, and three legitimate threats at WR. We also need a TE to step up and raise the level over last year's mediocre level.

                          We have a budding juggernaut here for a team. If we do all those things, we will go 14-2 and win the SB. If not, then 9-7 is a very real possibility.

                          Oh yes, let's get a new DC while we're at it.



                          (How'd I do, Chief?)

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                          Nice Top, very astute, if I ever coach again I might have to bring you in somewhere!

                          I am getting crap yes because of my chosen words on Gold, 'He is soo good!' He is a good athlete, D.J. was a rookie and kicked *** at that position, he also is the cheapest of the three linebackers right now! So obviously Wilson will not go, and I agree, I love Chuk, the predator from big brown Wyo. As I call it! But it is true, he could be a monster and be a lot less for us to cover financially, I think D.J., Wilson and Chuk could be a good tandum, but right now this whole corps. is financially killing us. Sorry I am a defensive coach but linebackers are not the only members of the freakin' defense, unless your a 3-4 D!

                          And the whole line situation is bogus, Warren is not a big name tackle we could easily lock him into a six year incentive restructured contract, he was no terrible pass rusher, but he did help us destroy the run. (MUG obviously forgot he helped us stay a top rushing defense!) And Pryce and Brown, whom knows, but Brown is the realistic favorite to stay financially and he likes it here. I do think Pryce will no longer be a Bronco after this season. He would have to restructure his contract for the second year in a row? And those are Shanahan's own words. I would love to see Abraham in Denver, but overall I think Denver will cover these spots in the draft.

                          And safties.... I think your correct, but I think Denver will sign atleast two in F.A. As for the draft, I see Denver going a whole new way this year: My guess for now:

                          (1) DE
                          (1) OG
                          (2) DT
                          (3) WR
                          (4) SS
                          (4) WR

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by lancane
                            Top, I tried to lay off Plummer, but I will tell the truth on everything else; Dennison is a one track line coach. Our line is very good at the rush but we lack in the pass protection area and this could be costly, we also have to take in consideration that he may stay or may go, either way some new blood would not hurt at this point. But the guards, well Hamilton I think is one of the best lineman in the league, Lepsis is good, Foster will be excellent, Nalen is great and Carlisle well, I thought he should never have returned. But our right side is weak because of it and the pass protection.

                            Nate Jackson - The next McCaffrey, why does it seem Denver wants the next great white hope? I heard it all last year with Jackson, I will tell you the truth, If he is not good enough to cover the tight end spot, then he is not the possession receiver Denver needs. And as for the David Terrell issue, he never broke out in Chicago nor in New England and remember his signing was a big deal... So common he was let go after all that, he obviously is not what we need, just like we do not need T.O. But there is a stacked group in the draft that will have some available from the first to the fourth rounds, Denver should maybe take a risk here and try!

                            And obviously we agree on the runningbacks, "If it's not broken, don't fix it!"
                            You mean you would not tell the truth on Plummer? j/k

                            Anyway, it is my opinion that we need some beef on the OL. Yes, our guys are small because we want mobile linemen, but now we can possibly draft high enough to get a lineman who is big and mobile.

                            The reason I like Jackson is not because of the "great white hope" syndrome (yes, syndrome, since it smacks of racism to me, although I'm not implicating you, so please don't get me wrong). It is because of his performance over the middle in 2004. Outside of Rod, Nate was the only WR consistently effective in that area. That he is not as good at TE means nothing. Job fit depends substantially upon the job. Else, perhaps we should try Champ at DT?

                            I don't think its all that obvious David Terrell is not what we need. It must not be so obvious to the coaches there yet, else why is he there? The NFL archives are chock full of stories where players failed on one team and went on to success on others. We have one right here in Warren (despite what MUG has to say about it). I'm not saying Terrell is an answer; I am only offering hope he is an answer. Same with Nate. Nonetheless, if a good prospect is available in the draft, and it is not a "reach," then I say go for it.

                            Regarding Dennison, I would become nervous, were he to bolt. The zone blocking schemes he learned here and is applying do not seem well known, and they are largely responsible for the running success the Broncos have had.

                            Well, that's my say for now.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by lancane
                              Nice Top, very astute, if I ever coach again I might have to bring you in somewhere!

                              I am getting crap yes because of my chosen words on Gold, 'He is soo good!' He is a good athlete, D.J. was a rookie and kicked *** at that position, he also is the cheapest of the three linebackers right now! So obviously Wilson will not go, and I agree, I love Chuk, the predator from big brown Wyo. As I call it! But it is true, he could be a monster and be a lot less for us to cover financially, I think D.J., Wilson and Chuk could be a good tandum, but right now this whole corps. is financially killing us. Sorry I am a defensive coach but linebackers are not the only members of the freakin' defense, unless your a 3-4 D!

                              And the whole line situation is bogus, Warren is not a big name tackle we could easily lock him into a six year incentive restructured contract, he was no terrible pass rusher, but he did help us destroy the run. (MUG obviously forgot he helped us stay a top rushing defense!) And Pryce and Brown, whom knows, but Brown is the realistic favorite to stay financially and he likes it here. I do think Pryce will no longer be a Bronco after this season. He would have to restructure his contract for the second year in a row? And those are Shanahan's own words. I would love to see Abraham in Denver, but overall I think Denver will cover these spots in the draft.

                              And safties.... I think your correct, but I think Denver will sign atleast two in F.A. As for the draft, I see Denver going a whole new way this year: My guess for now:

                              (1) DE
                              (1) OG
                              (2) DT
                              (3) WR
                              (4) SS
                              (4) WR
                              I reservedly agree with you on the LB position . . . but only if we substantially upgrade the DL with a gonga pass rusher. The talent of Ian Gold is nothing to mess with. We found that out the hard way when Gold was away. And I agree with you and categorically disagree with MUG on Warren: I like Warren. Big time.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by topscribe
                                You mean you would not tell the truth on Plummer? j/k

                                Anyway, it is my opinion that we need some beef on the OL. Yes, our guys are small because we want mobile linemen, but now we can possibly draft high enough to get a lineman who is big and mobile.

                                The reason I like Jackson is not because of the "great white hope" syndrome (yes, syndrome, since it smacks of racism to me, although I'm not implicating you, so please don't get me wrong). It is because of his performance over the middle in 2004. Outside of Rod, Nate was the only WR consistently effective in that area. That he is not as good at TE means nothing. Job fit depends substantially upon the job. Else, perhaps we should try Champ at DT?

                                I don't think its all that obvious David Terrell is not what we need. It must not be so obvious to the coaches there yet, else why is he there? The NFL archives are chock full of stories where players failed on one team and went on to success on others. We have one right here in Warren (despite what MUG has to say about it). I'm not saying Terrell is an answer; I am only offering hope he is an answer. Same with Nate. Nonetheless, if a good prospect is available in the draft, and it is not a "reach," then I say go for it.

                                Regarding Dennison, I would become nervous, were he to bolt. The zone blocking schemes he learned here and is applying do not seem well known, and they are largely responsible for the running success the Broncos have had.

                                Well, that's my say for now.

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                                Smart***! Hahaha... Maybe we should try Champ at DE? And the whole Plummer issue, I wouldn't lie, but nobody wants the truth either! Except for us minorities....

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