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    Why isn't Champ used for punt and/or kickoff returns?

  • #2
    That's a dumb question......you should already know that the reason we don't use him on special teams is so we don't risk him getting hurt. Especially last year, when he was already hurt.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Italianmobstr7
      That's a dumb question......you should already know that the reason we don't use him on special teams is so we don't risk him getting hurt. Especially last year, when he was already hurt.

      Got news for you, if you play football in any capacity you have a chance of getting hurt. Bailey is supposedly one of the fastest people in the league, why not use his speed?

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      • #4
        It takes alot of energy to run back punts and kickoffs, and we don't need him tiring out. Also, it is one of the most dangerous jobs in the league, and it would be unwise to risk our best player doing so.

        Additionally, Darrent is pretty good at it, when he's not injured.


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        • #5
          Returning kicks and punts are probably the most dangerous position in football with 11 guys going full steam at you at once. The chances of getting injured increase tremendously. Even if Champ wanted to do it, I doubt that Shanny would let him. Being that he already was fighting off a dislocated shoulder and a hamstring injury, he doesn't need to add more chances to farther injure himself.
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          • #6
            11 @ ya!

            What about when Jake holds the ball for Elam on field goals? He's got all those men trying to get to them, does that not put a player in dangerous territory also, but Shanahan allows that. SOunds like position discrimination. A player should be used for all of their talents. Remember Rod Smith , the returner?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by KS-BroncoGirl
              What about when Jake holds the ball for Elam on field goals? He's got all those men trying to get to them, does that not put a player in dangerous territory also, but Shanahan allows that. SOunds like position discrimination. A player should be used for all of their talents. Remember Rod Smith , the returner?
              that's RIGHT behing a WALL of 9 people...
              how many times does the placeholder get hit on a field goal?
              how many times does a kick/punt returner get hit?
              WHEN a holder gets hit, it's with about 5-8 yards of momentum
              when a returner gets hit, it's with more like 40-50 yards of momentum

              ...add it up and you'll realize why Jake is allowed and Champ isn't.


              ... if i remember correctly, didn't Ian Gold and John Mobly both suffer serious injuries on special teams... the Mobly injury ended his career
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              • #8
                Originally posted by KS-BroncoGirl
                What about when Jake holds the ball for Elam on field goals? He's got all those men trying to get to them, does that not put a player in dangerous territory also, but Shanahan allows that. SOunds like position discrimination. A player should be used for all of their talents. Remember Rod Smith , the returner?
                Big differnce. Whoever hits the holder anyways?

                And I remeber Rod returning kicks, scared the crap out of me.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by DaWildHorse
                  Got news for you, if you play football in any capacity you have a chance of getting hurt. Bailey is supposedly one of the fastest people in the league, why not use his speed?
                  See Post #2. They do not want to INCREASE Bailey's chances of getting hurt.

                  Clear enough?

                  To answer other posts here: Regarding Jake's holding for FGs, there is a big difference between doing that and returning punts and kicks. The risk for holders is relatively small. On Rod's returning: That was an emergency matter. Rod is also our emergency QB. But the Broncos don't want him doing either one. If Rod goes down, so does our offense.

                  A silly coach might routinely run Rod or Champ at returner. One with more than three brain cells won't.



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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by DaWildHorse
                    Why isn't Champ used for punt and/or kickoff returns?
                    We have other players that can get the job done. Plus, why risk having Champ hurt on special teams?
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                    • #11
                      Additional risk to Bailey, or Smith is to gamble away a season. To be perfectly honest, after seeing the way Darrent Williams played, and more importantly, the leadership skills shown by a rookie were VERY impressive, and I'd feel more secure with him not returning kicks either.



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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KS-BroncoGirl
                        What about when Jake holds the ball for Elam on field goals? He's got all those men trying to get to them, does that not put a player in dangerous territory also, but Shanahan allows that. SOunds like position discrimination. A player should be used for all of their talents. Remember Rod Smith , the returner?
                        You missed it..... 11 going at you full speed. At field goal range, most those guys won't be at full speed by the time they even get near the kicker (if they can even get near the kicker).
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                        • #13
                          i agree with the previous posters that it's too risky-- champ may be our single most important player who doesn't line up under center, and is THE best player on the team. . . however, i think you do ask a valid question. . .

                          some nfl coaches do use valuable starters on special teams-- bill belichik, who i think we can all agree is no dummy, uses starters on kick coverage, including guys like vrabel and rodney harrison. . . the risk versus the reward is clearly debatable, and most teams prefer to have backups handle the return duties-- unless they have a dynamite return guy like terrence mgcee, who is also a starting corner for buffalo. . .

                          one advantage to using some starters on special teams is that it allows the coaching staff to determine who gets the last roster spots based on their overall abilities, instead of having to decide those spots based on a guys' ability to play special teams-- this can lead to a team having a little better depth overall, as the guys at the end of the roster were chosen for their ability to backup a position effectively, not their special teams contributions. . .

                          the other side of the coin is that guys who focus solely on ST may end up being a little better at it, since they can focus on ST in practice. . . guys like keith burns have carved out careers covering kicks-- but is he really a quality backup MLB? i remember a few years ago, the faiders didn't want adam treu to start at center because he was their long snapper and they were worried about ST blunders if he got hurt. . . the chiefs had a debate a few years ago about whether they wanted to risk dante hall playing more snaps at receiver because of his exceptional value as a return specialist. . .

                          here's a link to a post i made on our special teams-- you will notice that i mentioned using champ as an emergency return man-- note the emphasis on emergency. i wouldn't dream of having him do it during the regular season, but in a scenario such as being behind in the second half of a playoff game, i would consider putting him back there-- but only in a complete, do-or-die no tomorrow if you don't win type of game. as for rod-- when shanny put him back there to return punts, it was mostly because he didn't have anyone else that he trusted to field a punt cleanly. . . hopefully we won't find ourselves in THAT position again. . .
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by DaWildHorse
                            Why isn't Champ used for punt and/or kickoff returns?
                            As you mentioned in a later post it you can get injuried away. However I think the reason Champ isn't used in this capacity is he doesn't where down by seasons end. Also since he did have a bum shoulder and hamstring practically all season why take the extra risk?
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                            • #15
                              Who is coach?

                              I can clearly see why Shannahan is coach and a couple of people on this board are not.

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