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  • #61
    Originally posted by HORSEPOWER 56
    I do think we deserved to win the west, but to sit back and think "everything is fine" is just "drinking the Kool Aid" (no, not OhNo). NTM, there's a difference between resting on your laurels and trying to improve. We WERE NOT the SB Champs, therefore we must need some improvement.

    Resigning guys that are a year older is a start, but we do have a lot of holes. No clear starting TE since Sharpe retired, no clear starting RB since the Portis trade, only one reliable WR (Rod) and absolutely no third guy, no natural pass rusher on our D-line, no real UT to line up next to Warren, the list goes on. We can fix a lot through the draft, but I think we're all pretty skeptical of Shanny's drafting practices, especially as of late.

    I can agree with all the "holes" that you pointed out, but when I look at the people that have signed with other teams, I just can't understand the doom and gloom that a lot of people have on this board...

    If we went 3-13 last season then I could see it, but we did not.

    Yes we need to improve but not drastically, and that is what some people are suggesting in this thread...
    Go Broncos!!! - Hosea 10:12

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    • #62
      Originally posted by broncos4ever
      I can agree with all the "holes" that you pointed out, but when I look at the people that have signed with other teams, I just can't understand the doom and gloom that a lot of people have on this board...

      If we went 3-13 last season then I could see it, but we did not.

      Yes we need to improve but not drastically, and that is what some people are suggesting in this thread...
      I'm with you to a degree. But as a fan, I would like to see the Broncos get a few playmakers instead of depth/role players. The offense seemed to look very predictable and uninspired down the stretch last season, so to me, it would have been nice to see the Broncos acquire at least ONE playmaker on offense. Defensively, well, I guess we all know that Shanny really doesn't like to address that side of the ball with vigor....(Kenard Lang)??

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Bronco51
        I'm with you to a degree. But as a fan, I would like to see the Broncos get a few playmakers instead of depth/role players. The offense seemed to look very predictable and uninspired down the stretch last season, so to me, it would have been nice to see the Broncos acquire at least ONE playmaker on offense. Defensively, well, I guess we all know that Shanny really doesn't like to address that side of the ball with vigor....(Kenard Lang)??
        What playmaker would you suggest?? Terrell was out there, but I think the Broncos coaching staff was divided on that one... John Abraham on Defense, but that does not look like it is going to happen...

        We have three holes that I can see TE, WR, DE.

        Actually there is school of thought wait until the draft, and also wait until after June 1st.
        Go Broncos!!! - Hosea 10:12

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Cugel
          I'm afraid you may be right. I certainly HOPE you're wrong about the draft though! That would be a big disappointment.

          I can't imagine how Shanahan could look at film of the championship game and not see what everybody else saw -- the DL generating NO pressure, the blitzers being picked up, Roethlisberger sitting back in the pocket having a manicure, then hitting the open receiver on 3rd and 11. So on and so on.

          It's just so blindingly obvious. This team has for years desparately needed some STUD pass rushing DL, especially DE.

          I could see signing the Browncos to the 1 year deals I and everyone thought they had. Rent them to get through 2005, then sign some top DE FA and pick up a couple of young guys in the draft who can really come in and fix the problem for the next 3-4 years. What I can't understand is how he would think Warren, Ekuban, Engleberger and Brown are the answer to anything, when none of them got more than 4 sacks on the year. Is he really going to start Engleberger who had 16 tackles and zero sacks and expect that's going to generate a pass rush?

          As for the offense, I even imagine that Shanahan knows that Plummer isn't in the same class as Manning, Roethlisberger or Brady. So, for the Broncos to win the rest of the supporting talent has to be better.

          The easiest way would be to build a defense that could compare with Tampa Bay's when they won the SB or the Ravens when they won, or Chicago's right now. A dominating defense that could shut other teams down.

          Pair that with a ball control offense that never lets the team get too far behind, a couple of veterans like Rod Smith and a decent RB and VOILA!

          Superbowl here we come!

          It could work and frankly I thought that was Shanahan's plan.

          But, I have no idea what his plan is now. NONE whatever!

          I can't imagine he really believes that his running game is going to win a championship if he can't stop the other team's offense on 3rd down. And he can't just blitz all the time if he's facing Brady or Manning or Roethlisberger. It was only a matter of time before that caught up to the Broncos.

          He got lucky in the Patriots game when Brady had a bad day and missed a bunch of wide open WRs running down the middle of the field for what would have been big plays or even TDs.

          But, this team has obviously gone as far as it can go with the current scheme and personnel.

          So it comes back to either sign a FA like Abraham and pay him what he deserves (and $18 million guarantee really isn't that much to secure an elite DE) or draft one.

          Frankly, he's tried about everything else and it hasn't worked! No improvement in the DL - no championship. Period.
          Totally agree cugel well put. If we want to run a 4-3 defense we need to get some pass rushing DL.
          I really wish we would switch to a 3-4 defense.

          ALSo go to nfl. com and look at the last 5 years of draft picks it is really hard to find a top notch defensive end in the draft.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by HORSEPOWER 56
            I think I need to be bluntly honest here....Shanahan has shown he's a great offensive mind and a good head coach, but he obviously knows jack about defense. Look at our organization:

            Coyer was our ex LBs coach promoted to DC. His defense is designed completely around his beloved LBs making plays. The D-line's only purpose is to eat blockers, allowing the LBs to stop the run, bring pressure on the QB, etc. His defensive scheme is very one dimensional and he's probably the worst in the league for adapting on the fly.

            Patterson was Cleveland's D-line coach where he coached their line to be one of the bottom quarter of the league. He comes to Denver, convinces Shanny to acquire all of "his (underachieving) guys", and gets Shanny to buy into "pressure is better than sacks" (unfortunately real pro QBs aren't as rattled by pressure and just simply step away from it to find wide open WRs - Manning, Brady, Roethlisberger). He's done it again with Lang. Our D-line play actually got worse statistically with all his boys on the roster. Once again our d-line will be the achilles heel of our defense no matter who we draft.

            Spencer is our DBs coach....yes, that's right the guy who couldn't break the starting lineup as a CB. Quickly promoted after Alex Gibb's son got fired after the Atlanta game, Spencer is just lucky that he has a guy like Champ with natural ability and veteran experience that the rookies could emulate at practice. Remember "Spencer's proteges (Walls and Herndon) aren't around anymore because they weren't starting caliber.

            Overall, I think we need a complete overhaul on the defensive side of the ball. Coyer and his coaches are only really successful when the offense gets them a large lead and/or doesn't turn the ball over.
            Well put my sentiments exacly. The defense spoke out against coyer half way through the season. he made some changes but not enough to keep his job. I mean our whole defensive unit is unhappy with this guy, so why does he have a job?

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Blitz222
              Well put my sentiments exacly. The defense spoke out against coyer half way through the season. he made some changes but not enough to keep his job. I mean our whole defensive unit is unhappy with this guy, so why does he have a job?
              Where do you get this information from?? Give a site reference.

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              • #67
                I have been a Broncos fan for 25 years and have never been as discouraged as I am right now.The team has several holes that need filled like WR,TE,RB,DL,S and the biggest hole of all QB.And what really bothers me the most is that Shanny is too stubborn to admit that Plummer is a joke.So he'll keep bringing in QB's like VanPelt and Mock so that there is nobody for the fans to call for when Plummer has one of his moron attacks.I say it's time to take away the GM title from Shanahan and get somebody who can draft in there before he wastes more draft picks on guys like Lelie,Marcus Nash,Willie Middlebrooks,Deltha O'neil and so on.I never thought I'd be this mad at my Broncos but I'm tired of watching some great players like Rod Smith,Al Wilson,Champ,Lynch play great every week then have Jake the Fake lose the game and Shanahan doesn'teven try to get a real QB.

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                • #68
                  Well, I've been a Broncos fan for even more than 25 years, and I think
                  Jake Plummer is an outstanding QB. However, I agree that Shanny is
                  very suspect as a GM. What, is he on spring break somewhere or what??
                  We're the very first team in the league to release any players, and it's three
                  of our best nonetheless!! And then the only one we've signed is one more
                  Cleveland Brown?? We are absolutely aching for a big-play receiver first and
                  foremost. And I like Ron Dayne, but he's not as talented as Marine Mike.
                  It's past time for Shanny to do SOMETHING impressive personnel-wise in
                  this off-season!!!

                  ORANGE & BLUE FOREVER!!

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by Dean
                    Where do you get this information from?? Give a site reference.
                    dean if your a fan. I cant remember exactly what week it was in the season, but it was reported in the post. i believe it was after the giants loss, but i am not completly sure.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by mongoose
                      I have been a Broncos fan for 25 years and have never been as discouraged as I am right now.The team has several holes that need filled like WR,TE,RB,DL,S and the biggest hole of all QB.And what really bothers me the most is that Shanny is too stubborn to admit that Plummer is a joke.So he'll keep bringing in QB's like VanPelt and Mock so that there is nobody for the fans to call for when Plummer has one of his moron attacks.I say it's time to take away the GM title from Shanahan and get somebody who can draft in there before he wastes more draft picks on guys like Lelie,Marcus Nash,Willie Middlebrooks,Deltha O'neil and so on.I never thought I'd be this mad at my Broncos but I'm tired of watching some great players like Rod Smith,Al Wilson,Champ,Lynch play great every week then have Jake the Fake lose the game and Shanahan doesn'teven try to get a real QB.
                      i been saying this for weeks if not for a year. What happens if plummer gets hurt? we got no one to back him up i mean no one. Van pelt couldnt win a game for a high school team. I am not totally against plummer but the lack of bringing anyone in to challenge him fr the job. Is just another case of mikes ego.

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                      • #71
                        Hopefully the Broncos will be successful in the offseason without going after the key FA's. What gets me are the people who feel Denver doesn't need these FA's. I hear references of the Steelers not going after FA or the year the Broncos won the Super Bowl, they didn't sign many FA's. Well the NFL is ever evolving and the Steelers may not have top name FA's, but they have the right personnelle at the right positions. We don't. We just don't have a threatening WR, TE is a questionmark now, as is DE, and the RB situation still concerns me.

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                        • #72
                          Originally posted by Blitz222
                          We sign gerrad warren to a huge contract which he is not even worth half of it.
                          We sign ron dayne to replace mike anderson??????
                          Now we sign kernard lang. i thought he was retired 15 years ago.
                          TO goes to the cowboys. i wasnt totally against bringing him in to mile high.
                          BUT the real kicker would be losing abrham. this guy would be a huge lift to our defense. He is by far the best option for us instead of drafting a guy.
                          We lose out on abrham, this offseason will be a huge disappointment.
                          funny thing is i said trade for schaub last year before the draft now everybody wants this guy.
                          Im not trying to be negative just very disappointed.
                          the only disapointment this offseason is the lack of support from the Bronco fans

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Blitz222
                            thats what i said there would be restructuring.
                            FUNNY we couldnt afford to give champ the huge money but we made it work then signed our draft picks!!!!~!~!

                            Actually we were in a position to afford Champ and if I'm not mistaken there wasn't much restructuring contracts that took place for us to fit him in.
                            John 11: 25-27

                            My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



                            Thanks Snk16

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Blitz222
                              dean if your a fan. I cant remember exactly what week it was in the season, but it was reported in the post. i believe it was after the giants loss, but i am not completly sure.
                              I ceratainly don't recall anything like that in the Post. I visit both the DP's and RMN's web sites at least twice a week. Maybe someone who knows how to dig out old articles can find it if it exsists. (I'm not calling you liar.)
                              John 11: 25-27

                              My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



                              Thanks Snk16

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                              • #75
                                There was an apology of sorts made by coyer about the time of the bye week, Seems to me it was the DP and on a W/E thought I saw a thing in the SUNDAY paper before a game. I don't remember what it was about, but things changed around and they all had a heart to heart kumbaya session and the defense looked at lot better after that week until THE playoff.

                                To those fans that are disappointed that we have not signed everyone that was a FA. Unless your forgetting that here are 31 other teams out there the we have to bid against. With a limited amount of money to spend, and besides one FA with talent and the other player STILL under contract to the Jets who else do the Broncos really need or even want. TO to much trouble and JA wanted BIG BUCKS.

                                Which RB's TE's and DE are even on the market. Who are they and would they fit into our system? Are they better than drafting a rookie?

                                And for those of you that wish us to bring in QB get a life, as Mikey is not going to do it period. Unless he wants someone as a Backup that does not cost an arm and a leg. He is not gonna bring someone in to "compete" for the starting job BECAUSE HE HAS HIS STARTER. To bring someone in to act as a back up and spend millions to do so is nuts.

                                Just how many years did Mikey or Dan for that matter have another Quality QB on the shelf in case John went down. If you say he had Kubiak and he was the backup then the joke is on you.

                                Very few if any teams have two "starter" QB's on the team, SAN did because they drafted rivers cause breeeze sucked.

                                But beyond that which teams have to great QB on staff, on purpose?
                                Last edited by Jrhampton; 03-19-2006, 04:09 PM.

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