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  • rtomaine
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    we should get dillon so we have a runningback to teach griffin

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  • BroncosFanInPA
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    Originally posted by O&B_Forever
    Bailey 25 is young, however, Dillion is 30. Thats the age when backs start to lose steps, and dillion has been ridden hard and is ready to be put away, wet preferably, to the pasture. Why pay a guy that is on the downside of his career the money he's gonna want?

    Don't give me that crap about wanting to go to a winner, cause most don't give a **** about that. They want the money, just ask berry about playing for a team that gave you a shot or going for money.
    I would agree with you for the most part about players just wanting money except for the fact that corey dillon " DOES NOT" know the meaning of a winning team, he doesn't know what it feels like to win, the bengals have been losers his entire career so i do believe he wants to be somewhere where he has a chance to be on a winning team.

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  • TXBRONC
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    Originally posted by NameUsedBefore
    You guys gotta admit Dillon is a perfect fit for the system we use (which is to abuse our backs as much as possible, which Dillon has been doing on the Bengals for some time now). My problem with him is: how much money he wants and can he still be productive. I know he'll most likely be happy in Denver... there's just a lot of if's to this trade but if it actually worked out it'd REALLY help Denver.

    If it didn't........ DAMMIT!
    NUB no way! Imho I really don't see Dillion as any kind of answer. The guy has an attitude, and with as long as he has been in the NFL I think he's about used up as running back.

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  • DPg2003
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    Originally posted by myoung
    I don't want to argue about this because I really, really like Q. I do have some nerves about him lasting the whole season but I would like him to do really well. I hope you are all correct and Q takes off this year. My dream is that all my fears are overcome by a pro bowl season out of Q.
    I too worry sometimes about him lasting all 16+ games, but I'm optimistic that he can. That's all I'm saying man let's pull for Q instead of doubting him because the way it looks right now he's our main HB.

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  • O&B_Forever
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    I have to agree with you on that issue. The size of football players are growing, but I complain all the time that we should have gotten warrick dunn when he became a free agent. It was offset by us drafting CP, but Warrick Dunn is a monster in open space and I see QG as the same. The stretch play is our bread and butter and that means we have blockers into the second level for QG when he breaks the LOS. I see him in-out and gone. Remember the injury portis had wasn't due to a hit, it was due to him landing with the football in the wrong place, because he was shuffling the ball when he went down. I think that QG will be a good back, but I agree that we haven't seen what QG will be able to handle over the course of the season.

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  • myoung
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    With Dillon, Its not just about how much money he wants. He is still under contract. So unless he restructures or is cut it is how much money he gets.......

    Not worth it......

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  • NameUsedBefore
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    You guys gotta admit Dillon is a perfect fit for the system we use (which is to abuse our backs as much as possible, which Dillon has been doing on the Bengals for some time now). My problem with him is: how much money he wants and can he still be productive. I know he'll most likely be happy in Denver... there's just a lot of if's to this trade but if it actually worked out it'd REALLY help Denver.

    If it didn't........ DAMMIT!

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Hall of FAME????

    "...We had a future hall of fame running back, but we tossed him aside instead of giving the money he deserved."

    Hall of FAme??? you are telling me you think Clinton PORTIS is a HALL OF FAME running back???? How so? How do you figure THAT from two years of playing??? THE ONLY Hall of Fame running back we have had on OUR roster is Terrell Davis.... Clinton can't stay healthy and rushed in a system that had Mike Anderson rush for 1500yrds and 12 TDs. I don't see where Clinton "deserved" to be paid the highest in the league when he ISN'T EVEN the best running back in the NFL!!! I could probably put three or four ahead of him!!

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  • TXBRONC
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    Re: Answer this one for me

    Originally posted by GSRelyea
    On ESPN Insider they said that Cincy was looking for a 2nd round pick for Corey Dillon, and that Oakland was only willing to give up a third rounder. So I ask you all this question.... Would you be happy with a trade that sent Portis to Washington and in return you recieve Champ Bailey and Corey Dillon?

    I say give up one of the 2nd rounders and grab Dillon.....Q.G. and his 5'7'' 165lb body and 3.7 ypc avg. is NOT the answer.
    And I would tell you no way. Dillion is not the answer short or long term, why waiste a high 2nd round pick. Btw Griffin weighs 195lbs not 165lbs that is big difference.

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  • orangenblue420
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    Originally posted by myoung
    That is ridiculous. Quick ignoring the real issue here......


    Dillon is a malcontent with an attitude problem. Our track record with those types of players has not been good lately. See D Gardener and D Carter. We have got to get it and not waste time and money anymore on players that have bad attitudes.

    Look at where we might have been last year if we spent our money on a couple of good guys that could have contributed instead of throwing all that money at Gardener. If we have 3.5 mill to spend for next year, and 3.8 the next lets not waste it on Dillon. Lets grab someone that we know will not be a chemistry problem, and may actually contribute, and keep the second round pick.

    Look at what Miami had to trade for Boston yesterday. A conditional 6th round pick. Boston complained last year (just like Dillon) and put up better numbers than Dillon did in Bungul land. They both played on bad teams have similar money contracts for the next two years and both are worth almost nothing on the open market.

    Dillon won't get traded for a second rounder and I think the Raiders are crazy for even offering a 3rd rounder.

    Look at TO. With all his skill attitude took him down to a second rounder. You can't believe that Dillon is the athlete the TO is.

    Attitude and Chemistry count and I am tired of wasting money on morons that don't want to be out there. D Gard and D Carter hosed our salary cap scenario for years. It is not like malcontent a holes just majically turn around.

    The only way the Dillon makes any sense is if he restructures and almost the whole contract is dependant on performance. Then the price might be worth a conditional 6th rounder. We should learn from the trade that went down yesterday.
    Ditto -

    Said perfectly - along with your comments on Q - I like your thinking - welcome aboard - I am just gonna follow you and quote you and post "ditto" LOL - now i dont have to type anymore

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  • myoung
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    I don't want to argue about this because I really, really like Q. I do have some nerves about him lasting the whole season but I would like him to do really well. I hope you are all correct and Q takes off this year. My dream is that all my fears are overcome by a pro bowl season out of Q.

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  • DPg2003
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    Originally posted by myoung
    Your argument falls apart when you try to compare them from a size perspective. Barry was a legitimate 200 when he began his career. Barry was not a small back. He was short but very strong a powerful. Short is not the same as small.

    We currently have only one back in the league that is the size of Q. That is Warrick Dunn. Even Tiki Barber is quite a bit bigger.

    Just recognize the concern. Your comparison is wishful thinking from a good Broncos fan. I hope that Q will work out and is half the back that Barry was. You do however have to understand the concern. We are putting a back out there that is significantly smaller than any other full time back in the league. This could be a problem. Look where we would have been last year without MA and Q backing up Portis.

    Portis has at least 15 pounds and probably more like 30 pounds on Q.
    Q weighs at least 195, if not more, and he will probably weigh at least 200 once camp opens. He benches 375 and squats over 550 pounds, is that not power?

    Look at Dunn and compare his muscle mass to Q's, they are not even close. And I'm not sure, but I think Barber is at least 5'10" so he should be bigger than Q.

    Portis is maybe 205, maybe. Last time I checked 205-195 was 10, if 195 is even all that Q weighs.

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  • myoung
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    I agree Q has some good skills. Your argument falls apart when you try to compare them from a size perspective. Barry was a legitimate 200 when he began his career. That was also at a time when a 200-210 lb back was the norm. Linebackers were 230 (which is now considered a very small LB).Keep in mind that many other backs of Barry's time were his size and smaller. Most notably Thurman Thomas, Emmit Smith, Bobby Humphries... Barry was not a small back. He was short but very strong a powerful. Short is not the same as small.

    We currently have only one back in the league that is the size of Q. That is Warrick Dunn. Even Tiki Barber is quite a bit bigger. Warrick Dunn has injury problems and has never been the man because of his size and durability. He has very similar skills to Q and has also drawn comparisons at times to Barry. He just has not been able to go the distance as a premier back.

    Just recognize the concern. Your comparison is wishful thinking from a good Broncos fan. I hope that Q will work out and is half the back that Barry was. You do however have to understand the concern. We are putting a back out there that is significantly smaller than any other full time back in the league. This could be a problem. Look where we would have been last year without MA and Q backing up Portis.

    Look at the problems with Portis last year and injuries and he is one of the smaller backs in the league. Portis has at least 15 pounds and probably more like 30 pounds on Q.

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  • DPg2003
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    Originally posted by O&B_Forever
    Okay, let's all agree on this. QG is not Barry Sanders, no one is saying he is. What everyone is saying is that the measurables are similar, is that clear enough. People keep saying that he is too small, however, there are cases of RB as small as him being very successful, and the most notable one is Barry Sanders. It is a counter argument. We aren't saying that he's the second coming, were saying that ppl that size can play and play well in the NFL. You can't have it both ways, You either say that QG can't play because he's too small, which leaves you trying to explain how barry did it, or you admit he should be given the damn shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Thank you, maybe now people will let this issue die until we actually see Q play this season.

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  • O&B_Forever
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    Okay, let's all agree on this. QG is not Barry Sanders, no one is saying he is. What everyone is saying is that the measurables are similar, is that clear enough. People keep saying that he is too small, however, there are cases of RB as small as him being very successful, and the most notable one is Barry Sanders. It is a counter argument. We aren't saying that he's the second coming, were saying that ppl that size can play and play well in the NFL. You can't have it both ways, You either say that QG can't play because he's too small, which leaves you trying to explain how barry did it, or you admit he should be given the damn shot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

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