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  • TXBRONC
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    Originally posted by dogfish
    i agree with lancane, we'll probably keep six DEs. . . let's see, that would be brown, ekuban, lang, engelberger, and probably corey jackson and dumervil. . . . did i forget anybody?

    It's the same six I have..

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  • dogfish
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    Originally posted by TXBRONC
    Do you really think we'll keep that many DEs?

    i agree with lancane, we'll probably keep six DEs. . . let's see, that would be brown, ekuban, lang, engelberger, and probably corey jackson and dumervil. . . . did i forget anybody?

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  • TXBRONC
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    Originally posted by lancane
    I would say denver will use 10 spots for the d-line this year, so will likely keep five to six ends and four to five tackles. I am leaning towards four tackles and six ends.
    DTs that would be Warren, Veal, Myer, and???

    DEs would be, Ekuban, Brown, Engelberger, Dumervil, Jackson and Lang.

    What do you think? I just can't think who would be the 4th DT.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by TXBRONC
    Do you really think we'll keep that many DEs?
    I would say denver will use 10 spots for the d-line this year, so will likely keep five to six ends and four to five tackles. I am leaning towards four tackles and six ends.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    I didn't see him play DE once all of last year. Perhaps he is listed only as DL because he played DE at Tennessee, but he doesn't have the necessary tools to rush the passer from the end.

    He demonstrated the best penetration ability of all our tackles last year...by far. He is on the roster...guaranteed.
    Well he might be on the roster only because lack of depth, but other then that. Well who knows? We still have cuts coming, so we could end up nabbing some more bodies for the roster. But Veal will have no guarantees!

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  • TXBRONC
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    Originally posted by dogfish
    with all of the ends we have, it's really hard to predict, but i'll be a little bit surprised if he gets that many snaps-- though i'm really not all that impressed with either of 'em (*sigh*), i tend to think lang is a little bit better player than ekuban. . . . i know he's supposedly pencilled in right now as the third-down specialist only, but i kinda expect him to take some PT from ekuban at some time during the year. . . . who knows though? we'll see. . . . . it would really be nice if jackson could come out of the blue and actually be good. . . . .
    Do you really think we'll keep that many DEs?

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by lancane
    What do you mean by no? He is a transitional, that is what DL means, just like when have a DB, or an OL! That means that player can play any position and is not slated for any one spot. If you look at the roster from the beginning of last year he was a DL, he is a DT on the roster now because of last season, that is all. He is not guaranteed any spot and read his profile it even says he can play both positions.

    I didn't see him play DE once all of last year. Perhaps he is listed only as DL because he played DE at Tennessee, but he doesn't have the necessary tools to rush the passer from the end.

    He demonstrated the best penetration ability of all our tackles last year...by far. He is on the roster...guaranteed.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    No, in fact, Veal is one of our better undertackle prospects on the roster. He'll see heavy PT as a tackle, just like he did all of last year.
    What do you mean by no? He is a transitional, that is what DL means, just like when have a DB, or an OL! That means that player can play any position and is not slated for any one spot. If you look at the roster from the beginning of last year he was a DL, he is a DT on the roster now because of last season, that is all. He is not guaranteed any spot and read his profile it even says he can play both positions.

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by lancane
    Veal is not a tackle, he is a DE/DT transitional player whom played at tackle in the rotation last season. If you remember he was last year on the roster as a DL (Trans) But he is roughly the size of a heavy defensive end, he really does not match up to fit on our tackle rotation with guys all close to and average of 300lbs.

    Engleberger's production has fell short the lately, but he will compete for a spot. But we are deep at the end position, so we could see Denver test a few at tackle, like they did with Pryce.
    No, in fact, Veal is one of our better undertackle prospects on the roster. He'll see heavy PT as a tackle, just like he did all of last year.

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  • lancane
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    Originally posted by bcbronc
    veal is a tackle, and i dont think he will be getting cut. im expecting (okay, more like hoping) that he beats out myers to start beside warren. if he can improve as much this offseason as he did last, that should be a realistic expectation. but even if he doesnt start, id be plenty surprised if he got beat out by amon or mwamba.

    but out of the ends, im hoping it ends up that lang, engleberger and ekuban are competing for 2 spots. for that to happen, either jackson or dumervil will have to show something in camp and pre-season. it would be nice to have some youth in the rotation.
    Veal is not a tackle, he is a DE/DT transitional player whom played at tackle in the rotation last season. If you remember he was last year on the roster as a DL (Trans) But he is roughly the size of a heavy defensive end, he really does not match up to fit on our tackle rotation with guys all close to and average of 300lbs.

    Engleberger's production has fell short the lately, but he will compete for a spot. But we are deep at the end position, so we could see Denver test a few at tackle, like they did with Pryce.

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  • dogfish
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    Originally posted by TXBRONC
    If they stay with kind of rotation they had last season he'll get about 70% of the snaps.

    with all of the ends we have, it's really hard to predict, but i'll be a little bit surprised if he gets that many snaps-- though i'm really not all that impressed with either of 'em (*sigh*), i tend to think lang is a little bit better player than ekuban. . . . i know he's supposedly pencilled in right now as the third-down specialist only, but i kinda expect him to take some PT from ekuban at some time during the year. . . . who knows though? we'll see. . . . . it would really be nice if jackson could come out of the blue and actually be good. . . . .

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  • TXBRONC
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    Originally posted by Return of Lava
    well he still shared the team lead with 4 i believe. Assuming he starts and plays 80% of the snaps, he gets 8, like i said(wow that worked out perfectly)

    lol i didnt realize i was that good at predictions
    If they stay with kind of rotation they had last season he'll get about 70% of the snaps.

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  • Return of Lava
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    Originally posted by TXBRONC
    I don't know Lava. Ekuban has never been in double digit sacks and I wouldn't say he played sparringly either. Without checking I would guess he was in on at least 40% of the defensive snaps last season.
    well he still shared the team lead with 4 i believe. Assuming he starts and plays 80% of the snaps, he gets 8, like i said(wow that worked out perfectly)

    lol i didnt realize i was that good at predictions

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  • Return of Lava
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    Originally posted by bcbronc
    veal is a tackle, and i dont think he will be getting cut. im expecting (okay, more like hoping) that he beats out myers to start beside warren. if he can improve as much this offseason as he did last, that should be a realistic expectation. but even if he doesnt start, id be plenty surprised if he got beat out by amon or mwamba.

    but out of the ends, im hoping it ends up that lang, engleberger and ekuban are competing for 2 spots. for that to happen, either jackson or dumervil will have to show something in camp and pre-season. it would be nice to have some youth in the rotation.
    The thing i dont like about veal is he is only 288, unless he gained some weight (which would make him less of a pass threat) he will be a liability in the run. he kinda reminds me of Ellis Johnson, even though i never really seen veal play that much

    I wish Denver would have drafted Rod Wright or somebody, especially when he dropped to the second day, we need a complete tackle opposite warren. We drafted all those receivers and i thought we were fne with Adams and Devoe and the wildcard Terrell anyway.

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  • bcbronc
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    Originally posted by lancane
    Good point Top, I spaced that, but he was banged up and did well. And for Engleberger, he was brought back because he will be in the hunt for the speed rotation. Engleberger, Jackson, Dumerville and Lang are all light and more speed then bulk. They are all better suited for pass rushing, remember Top I said Denver would be best to add some lighter and faster ends, and they have done that.

    Problem is now we have so many ends, that we will likely cut some talent and I think Gause and Engleberger, even possibly Veal will all be fighting for spots. Tackle is sured up with Myers, Warren, Amon and Mwamba. Kenard Lang could be penciled in as a LB/DE transitional for roster space, but either way we are looking good for speed, lets hope it produces and that Ekuban and Brown will do well.

    veal is a tackle, and i dont think he will be getting cut. im expecting (okay, more like hoping) that he beats out myers to start beside warren. if he can improve as much this offseason as he did last, that should be a realistic expectation. but even if he doesnt start, id be plenty surprised if he got beat out by amon or mwamba.

    but out of the ends, im hoping it ends up that lang, engleberger and ekuban are competing for 2 spots. for that to happen, either jackson or dumervil will have to show something in camp and pre-season. it would be nice to have some youth in the rotation.

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