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  • Originally posted by Return of Lava
    there is no end we have that can play DT, the only player that might be able to switch positions is Veal, but players who switch are usually ineffective ala pryce
    Any athlete if willing can learn and adapt his ability to another position. Marshall is an example as is Rod Smith, also many others, including Lepsis, Carswell and Pryce.

    Your argument is what you believe, I can respect that. But it is far from the reality and truth of the matter.

    Veal may not even make the team, and even if Denver only went with five DE's, they would still keep some depth at tackle, one backup or rotational athlete does not cut it. I do not care what team you are, unless we were going 3-4!

    Brown, Ekuban, Lang, Jackson and Elvis will likely make the squad but Gause and Engleberger will do their best to get in there as well, so I would not be surprised to see six ends come season's start.

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    • Originally posted by lancane
      Any athlete if willing can learn and adapt his ability to another position. Marshall is an example as is Rod Smith, also many others, including Lepsis, Carswell and Pryce.

      Your argument is what you believe, I can respect that. But it is far from the reality and truth of the matter.

      Veal may not even make the team, and even if Denver only went with five DE's, they would still keep some depth at tackle, one backup or rotational athlete does not cut it. I do not care what team you are, unless we were going 3-4!

      Brown, Ekuban, Lang, Jackson and Elvis will likely make the squad but Gause and Engleberger will do their best to get in there as well, so I would not be surprised to see six ends come season's start.
      On our team ,we have mostly light pass rushers, Elvis, Engleberger, Jackson, Lang and Ekuban are all not even close to 300 lbs. and we already have our tackles in Warren and Myers and Veal. The only player that could play DT in a emergency is Brown, and thast just dumb. If they play any of the other ends as DT, its an obvious passin down and we are obviously not expecting anything but a pass, and thast just a bad scheme to play anyway.

      Do you really think we need 4 backup DE's on the team?
      dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

      I tried to warn ya.

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      • Originally posted by Return of Lava
        This is all wrong, Ekuban and Brown are gonna start at end, Lang and 1 other end (Maybe Jackson) will man the backup slots, Dumerville will probably be the one that makes the team, but is inactive a lot.

        No way we keep 6 DE's and 4 DT's on the roster.

        5 De's and 3 DT's is more like it
        I cannot see a team keeping only 3 DT's on the roster. That is very little depth. If a person gets injured they are down to only two DT's, so who is going to rotate with them?
        "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

        It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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        • Originally posted by Return of Lava
          On our team ,we have mostly light pass rushers, Elvis, Engleberger, Jackson, Lang and Ekuban are all not even close to 300 lbs. and we already have our tackles in Warren and Myers and Veal. The only player that could play DT in a emergency is Brown, and thast just dumb. If they play any of the other ends as DT, its an obvious passin down and we are obviously not expecting anything but a pass, and thast just a bad scheme to play anyway.

          Do you really think we need 4 backup DE's on the team?
          Do I think we need that many? Depends, on a Coyer coached unit, yeah probably!

          I am not saying you are right or wrong, it could be five and Dumervil will be real situational, but we will have more then three tackles also, I would bet you any amount you wanted. Veal is 288lbs., and if a starter went down and having no rotation or backup past that is just dumb football, you need at least four in any 4-3 based scheme.

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          • Originally posted by kmartin575
            I cannot see a team keeping only 3 DT's on the roster. That is very little depth. If a person gets injured they are down to only two DT's, so who is going to rotate with them?
            well im not sayin we cant go back after the game and sign another one from the practice squad, if somebody gets injured. We only been using 2 QB's and thats as risky as anything, i think keeping 3 DT's isnt that much of a risk.
            dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

            I tried to warn ya.

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            • Originally posted by Return of Lava
              well im not sayin we cant go back after the game and sign another one from the practice squad, if somebody gets injured. We only been using 2 QB's and thats as risky as anything, i think keeping 3 DT's isnt that much of a risk.
              But a team only uses one QB unless that one gets injured. I'm not sure how the Broncos handle the D-line rotation but with the way guys are rotated I think at least 4 DT's are a must.
              "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

              It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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              • Originally posted by kmartin575
                But a team only uses one QB unless that one gets injured. I'm not sure how the Broncos handle the D-line rotation but with the way guys are rotated I think at least 4 DT's are a must.
                Even if we keep 4 1 is gonna be inactive every game anyway. Thats probably what we will do but after veal there isnt any tackle we have that wont clear waivers and make the practice squad imo. There's Mumbo-Jumbo(lol) and I think 1 other tackle
                dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                I tried to warn ya.

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                • Originally posted by kmartin575
                  But a team only uses one QB unless that one gets injured. I'm not sure how the Broncos handle the D-line rotation but with the way guys are rotated I think at least 4 DT's are a must.

                  id say 4 is a given, unless an end can play as a tweener. and i agree with lava there, we dont really have anyone that seems a natural fit.

                  the ends can kind of be broken up into a few different groups.

                  in group 1 is brown. he's really the only sure thing as our starting LDE. not likely to be a huge pass rusher, but should be a solid all-around end.

                  in the next group, we have the veterans. engleberger, ekuban and lang. all 3 have had decent seasons. engleberger is 29 with 37 career sacks. ekuban is also 29, and has 42 career sacks. lang is 30, with 44 career sacks. there really isnt a whole lot to seperate anyone of these 3 guys. there is talk about promises made to guys about roster spots, but i would be a little bit surpised to see all 3 of these guys make the final 53, unless none of the young guys step up.

                  and that brings us to the young guys. dumervil, jackson and gause. not really anything to say about any of them, since none have played an nfl snap. gause and jackson have good size for a pass rusher (6' 5"-6" 255-265 lbs) and dumervil has an impressive college resume. i would also be surprised to see all 3 of these guys make the final roster.

                  so if dumervil and jackson both show something in camp and preseason, that might make it tough on lang to hold on to his position. all 3 seem to be pass-rush specialists, and i dont see a point in keeping 3 of them. if all 3 show something similiar, it makes sense to go with the youth. but if lang makes the team (which is likely), its going to be tough for engleberger, imo. i say this simply because he was behind ekuban in the depth chart last season, and ekuban tied for the team lead in sacks.

                  i dont see any real double digit sack guys on our roster. but we could have 4-5 ends that all play in specific situations. they stay fresh, and all perform more specific roles. no superstars or gamebreakers, but a slew of interchangeable players where the sum is greater than the parts. thats best case scenerio, anyways.

                  if nothing else, at least there is some competition for camp. if one or two of these guys can emerge, we will have a great defense. if not, well, we all know we wont draft one next year, so i dont know.
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                  • Originally posted by Return of Lava
                    Even if we keep 4 1 is gonna be inactive every game anyway. Thats probably what we will do but after veal there isnt any tackle we have that wont clear waivers and make the practice squad imo. There's Mumbo-Jumbo(lol) and I think 1 other tackle
                    I doubt it. If we have four DT that doesn't mean one will be inactive every game.
                    John 11: 25-27

                    My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



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                    • Originally posted by TXBRONC
                      I doubt it. If we have four DT that doesn't mean one will be inactive every game.
                      last year we had warren myers and veal while pope was inactive every year, and i think those 3 showed to be durable
                      dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                      I tried to warn ya.

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                      • Originally posted by Return of Lava
                        last year we had warren myers and veal while pope was inactive every year, and i think those 3 showed to be durable
                        No he was Lava. Pope was active in early in the season but so ineffective that Shanahan started deactiving every game.
                        John 11: 25-27

                        My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



                        Thanks Snk16

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                        • Originally posted by TXBRONC
                          No he was Lava. Pope was active in early in the season but so ineffective that Shanahan started deactiving every game.
                          i know and thast the thing, i dont see any of the 4th string tackles we have being effectove at all. Its possible, but i doubt we keep 4 active DT's every game
                          dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                          I tried to warn ya.

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