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  • #46
    Watts

    There is no doubt in my mind that Watts will be picked up by another team. He can easily fill the void for teams with WR problems. I see him going to the Patriots, any takers? He has so much upside, it's just to bad that we will never see it!
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    • #47
      This really scares me.

      If javon walker reinjures his knee, our #2 WR will be Kirkus.

      Think about that for a minute.

      Whether Watts was a bust or not, that's how pi$$ poor our coaching staff has been at evaluating talent at the WR position.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by silkamilkamonic
        You seem to miss the fact that our best WR's not counting Smith, Walker, and Marshall who's a rookie nobody right now anyways, couldn't even make the hapless Lions or Ravens.

        The Lions cut Charles Rogers, and he was a #2 when Kirkus got cut.

        Maybe Denver should sign him, he might even push Walker for the #2.

        No, I don't miss that fact. I probably have 50 posts in the last 12 months talking about how WR is about the weakest position on the team. The only weaker area entering this draft/offseason was possibly O-line.

        All of the people that claim the offense was conservative and 'dumbed down' because of Jake, don't seem to grasp that Smith was Plummer's only reliable target last year.

        So, I am well aware of what we have. My point is simply that it is better than we had last year, not that it is one of the best in the NFL.

        Kircus is an unkown. He played great in preseason, but it was preseason, so who knows if it will translate. Yes, he didn't pan out in Detroit, but then again neither did Droughns and he didn't do too bad here and in Cleveland.

        While I don't know if it will reach the realm of strength, but I do believe that Jake will have more weapons (Rod, Walker, Marshall, Kircus, Scheffler and Jackson) this year than he had last year (Rod, Lelie, Putz).

        Will they make other teams envious? Let's revisit that question at the bye. However, regardless of if we have the best or worst receiving corp in the NFL this year, it can't be any worse than last year.
        The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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        • #49
          Originally posted by silkamilkamonic
          This really scares me.

          If javon walker reinjures his knee, our #2 WR will be Kirkus.

          Think about that for a minute.

          Whether Watts was a bust or not, that's how pi$$ poor our coaching staff has been at evaluating talent at the WR position.
          So, why don't you mozy on over to the Colts forum and talk about how great their organization has been at evaluating the WR position. Maybe a some time posting positive things will do you good...
          The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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          • #50
            Originally posted by tnedator
            So, why don't you mozy on over to the Colts forum and talk about how great their organization has been at evaluating the WR position. Maybe a some time posting positive things will do you good...

            I don't have to tell them how great it is.

            Their production at the WR position in the last few years speaks for itself.

            What possibe positive thing can someone post about our WR core?

            Smith is a year older, Walker has a bad knee and hasn't played in a meaningful game in almost 2 years, we have another rookie that will likely bust because he was evaluated by Shanahan, and then 3 special teams guys.


            And no, I don't see how this unit is better then last year. SOmeone needs to convince me.

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            • #51
              What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??

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              • #52
                Originally posted by silkamilkamonic
                I don't have to tell them how great it is.

                Their production at the WR position in the last few years speaks for itself.

                What possibe positive thing can someone post about our WR core?

                Smith is a year older, Walker has a bad knee and hasn't played in a meaningful game in almost 2 years, we have another rookie that will likely bust because he was evaluated by Shanahan, and then 3 special teams guys.


                And no, I don't see how this unit is better then last year. SOmeone needs to convince me.
                I'm with you Silk. I don't see how cutting Watts and keeping Adams actually IMPROVED our team at the WR spot. Oh yeah, see my above post.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by PLUMMERFAN16
                  What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??

                  Apparently that's where our WR position is at.

                  We have a guy on our active roster that isn't even physically able to play for another team because he can't pass his physcial for them.

                  Does Denver lower expectations for players at the WR position?

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by silkamilkamonic
                    Apparently that's where our WR position is at.

                    We have a guy on our active roster that isn't even physically able to play for another team because he can't pass his physcial for them.

                    Does Denver lower expectations for players at the WR position?
                    It seems that we are so hell bent on running the ball, that the passing game is an afterthought so we don't need top talent. I think ON PAPER we have improved from last year, but I thought we'd be alot stronger had we kept Watts. I just don't know what happened to him. Shanahan was praising the guy big time all camp long, and now he's out of a job?

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by PLUMMERFAN16
                      What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??
                      Probably because other teams watched film of him and knew that he wasn't reliable.

                      Originally posted by PLUMMERFAN16
                      I'm with you Silk. I don't see how cutting Watts and keeping Adams actually IMPROVED our team at the WR spot. Oh yeah, see my above post.
                      That move didn't improve our receiving corp much, except for the fact that Watts wasn't even good enough to be an active player last year. So, Adams playing is better than Watts on the sideline inactive.

                      However, beyond that. To answer your question as to why we are better this year than last, I will quote what I wrote about 5 or so posts above:

                      "While I don't know if it will reach the realm of strength, but I do believe that Jake will have more weapons (Rod, Walker, Marshall, Kircus, Scheffler and Jackson) this year than he had last year (Rod, Lelie, Putz)."

                      That is why our receiving corp is better. Rod is Rod. Walker is better than Lelie. Jackson/Scheffler will be at least as good as Putz, Marshall/Kircus can be no worse than Devoe/Adams).

                      So, if you break it down (1st, 2nd, 3rd WR + pass catching TE(s)), we are equal or better than last year all around.
                      The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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                      • #56
                        I kinda side with silk here...

                        I don't buy into the Kircus hype--I haven't seen enough of him to formulate an opinion, but he sounds like Mr. Helium (and he hasn't been getting ringing endorsements from people who's opinion I put a great amount of trust in). I like Marshall as a prospect, but he's still a rookie. I like Devoe because of his size/speed (4.4, 6-2 200+). Did I forget Adams? Oh, darnit.

                        We sucked even worse in terms of WR depth last year, so I don't think it'll hurt us too much barring injury.

                        Scheffler (tnedator) could be huge though. I like him a lot. He's huge. He's fast. He's got good hands. He's made tough catches in tight coverage. He could be big as a receiver this year.

                        And another thing we have to remember is this:

                        Why would players like Charles Rogers or Tyrone Calico (great prospects, poor production) want to come to Denver and be backups? There are a ton of other teams (NE, NY Jets, SD, SF, CHI, etc) who could offer them a legit chance at starting.

                        We'll see how it all shakes out soon enough...

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by PLUMMERFAN16
                          It seems that we are so hell bent on running the ball, that the passing game is an afterthought so we don't need top talent. I think ON PAPER we have improved from last year, but I thought we'd be alot stronger had we kept Watts. I just don't know what happened to him. Shanahan was praising the guy big time all camp long, and now he's out of a job?
                          Shanahan use about half of his draft in an attempt to improve the receivers. Some people seem to have lost sight of that, even though it was only a few months ago.

                          He used second round pick in trade for Walker. Drafted Scheffler with his other 2nd. Drafted Marshall and Hixson with 2 of his next three picks.

                          So, Shanahan used 4 picks in this draft to acquire receivers. Those moves, not keeping Watts, are the only chance that the Broncos have of improving their receving corp this year.

                          The only way that Shanahan could have been more aggressive in getting receivers in the draft, would have been to bypass Cutler and take a receiver in the first round.
                          The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by tnedator
                            Probably because other teams watched film of him and knew that he wasn't reliable.



                            That move didn't improve our receiving corp much, except for the fact that Watts wasn't even good enough to be an active player last year. So, Adams playing is better than Watts on the sideline inactive.

                            However, beyond that. To answer your question as to why we are better this year than last, I will quote what I wrote about 5 or so posts above:

                            "While I don't know if it will reach the realm of strength, but I do believe that Jake will have more weapons (Rod, Walker, Marshall, Kircus, Scheffler and Jackson) this year than he had last year (Rod, Lelie, Putz)."

                            That is why our receiving corp is better. Rod is Rod. Walker is better than Lelie. Jackson/Scheffler will be at least as good as Putz, Marshall/Kircus can be no worse than Devoe/Adams).

                            So, if you break it down (1st, 2nd, 3rd WR + pass catching TE(s)), we are equal or better than last year all around.

                            I agree that Watts was bad last year, but by all accounts, and Shanny said it himself, Watts had been very impressive this year. That's why I can't figure out what happened for him to fall out of favor so quickly. I mean we cut him, but we kept a guy that we tried to trade for a 6th-7th rounder(forget which)but failed his physical and was sent back to us. It doesn't seem like we are getting the whole story..

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by WABronco
                              I kinda side with silk here...
                              What exactly are you sideing with? That releasing Watts was a collossal mistake?

                              Watts was not going to improve our receiving corps, except maybe by doing double duty on Sundays. In addition to being inactive, maybe he could have brought the active receivers gatorade to help them stay hydrated.

                              Instead of hoping that a reciver suddenly learned how to catch a ball, Shanahan went and used 4 of his 8 draft picks on wide receivers, plus decided to give a sandwich maker a shot. You never know, he might turn out like another number 87 that was cast aside by his first team as someone who wasn't NFL caliber...
                              The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by tnedator
                                Shanahan use about half of his draft in an attempt to improve the receivers. Some people seem to have lost sight of that, even though it was only a few months ago.

                                He used second round pick in trade for Walker. Drafted Scheffler with his other 2nd. Drafted Marshall and Hixson with 2 of his next three picks.

                                So, Shanahan used 4 picks in this draft to acquire receivers. Those moves, not keeping Watts, are the only chance that the Broncos have of improving their receving corp this year.

                                The only way that Shanahan could have been more aggressive in getting receivers in the draft, would have been to bypass Cutler and take a receiver in the first round.
                                Ok. Even though Watts was inconsistent catching the ball, he could consistently get open. Adams can't get open to save his life, so it doesn't matter if he's got better hands than Watts. Watts atleast gave us a 50/50 chance at a completion. :clap:

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