Charlie Adams over Darius Watts?

[tnedator]

What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??

Probably because other teams watched film of him and knew that he wasn't reliable.

I'm with you Silk. I don't see how cutting Watts and keeping Adams actually IMPROVED our team at the WR spot. Oh yeah, see my above post.

That move didn't improve our receiving corp much, except for the fact that Watts wasn't even good enough to be an active player last year. So, Adams playing is better than Watts on the sideline inactive.

However, beyond that. To answer your question as to why we are better this year than last, I will quote what I wrote about 5 or so posts above:

"While I don't know if it will reach the realm of strength, but I do believe that Jake will have more weapons (Rod, Walker, Marshall, Kircus, Scheffler and Jackson) this year than he had last year (Rod, Lelie, Putz)."

That is why our receiving corp is better. Rod is Rod. Walker is better than Lelie. Jackson/Scheffler will be at least as good as Putz, Marshall/Kircus can be no worse than Devoe/Adams).

So, if you break it down (1st, 2nd, 3rd WR + pass catching TE(s)), we are equal or better than last year all around.

[PLUMMERFAN16]

Apparently that's where our WR position is at.

We have a guy on our active roster that isn't even physically able to play for another team because he can't pass his physcial for them.

Does Denver lower expectations for players at the WR position?

It seems that we are so hell bent on running the ball, that the passing game is an afterthought so we don't need top talent. I think ON PAPER we have improved from last year, but I thought we'd be alot stronger had we kept Watts. I just don't know what happened to him. Shanahan was praising the guy big time all camp long, and now he's out of a job?

[silkamilkamonic]

What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??

Apparently that's where our WR position is at.

We have a guy on our active roster that isn't even physically able to play for another team because he can't pass his physcial for them.

Does Denver lower expectations for players at the WR position?

[PLUMMERFAN16]

I don't have to tell them how great it is.

Their production at the WR position in the last few years speaks for itself.

What possibe positive thing can someone post about our WR core?

Smith is a year older, Walker has a bad knee and hasn't played in a meaningful game in almost 2 years, we have another rookie that will likely bust because he was evaluated by Shanahan, and then 3 special teams guys.


And no, I don't see how this unit is better then last year. SOmeone needs to convince me.

I'm with you Silk. I don't see how cutting Watts and keeping Adams actually IMPROVED our team at the WR spot. Oh yeah, see my above post.

[PLUMMERFAN16]

What I don't get is why we tried to trade Charlie Adams, who had VERY little trade value, but kept Watts at the time? Why didn't we try to trade Watts and atleast get something for our 2nd round pick instead of waiting and just cutting him? Somehow, Watts was more valuable to us than Adams was a few weeks ago, so what changed??

[silkamilkamonic]

So, why don't you mozy on over to the Colts forum and talk about how great their organization has been at evaluating the WR position. Maybe a some time posting positive things will do you good...

I don't have to tell them how great it is.

Their production at the WR position in the last few years speaks for itself.

What possibe positive thing can someone post about our WR core?

Smith is a year older, Walker has a bad knee and hasn't played in a meaningful game in almost 2 years, we have another rookie that will likely bust because he was evaluated by Shanahan, and then 3 special teams guys.


And no, I don't see how this unit is better then last year. SOmeone needs to convince me.

[tnedator]

This really scares me.

If javon walker reinjures his knee, our #2 WR will be Kirkus.

Think about that for a minute.

Whether Watts was a bust or not, that's how pi$$ poor our coaching staff has been at evaluating talent at the WR position.

So, why don't you mozy on over to the Colts forum and talk about how great their organization has been at evaluating the WR position. Maybe a some time posting positive things will do you good...

[tnedator]

You seem to miss the fact that our best WR's not counting Smith, Walker, and Marshall who's a rookie nobody right now anyways, couldn't even make the hapless Lions or Ravens.

The Lions cut Charles Rogers, and he was a #2 when Kirkus got cut.

Maybe Denver should sign him, he might even push Walker for the #2.

No, I don't miss that fact. I probably have 50 posts in the last 12 months talking about how WR is about the weakest position on the team. The only weaker area entering this draft/offseason was possibly O-line.

All of the people that claim the offense was conservative and 'dumbed down' because of Jake, don't seem to grasp that Smith was Plummer's only reliable target last year.

So, I am well aware of what we have. My point is simply that it is better than we had last year, not that it is one of the best in the NFL.

Kircus is an unkown. He played great in preseason, but it was preseason, so who knows if it will translate. Yes, he didn't pan out in Detroit, but then again neither did Droughns and he didn't do too bad here and in Cleveland.

While I don't know if it will reach the realm of strength, but I do believe that Jake will have more weapons (Rod, Walker, Marshall, Kircus, Scheffler and Jackson) this year than he had last year (Rod, Lelie, Putz).

Will they make other teams envious? Let's revisit that question at the bye. However, regardless of if we have the best or worst receiving corp in the NFL this year, it can't be any worse than last year.

[silkamilkamonic]

This really scares me.

If javon walker reinjures his knee, our #2 WR will be Kirkus.

Think about that for a minute.

Whether Watts was a bust or not, that's how pi$$ poor our coaching staff has been at evaluating talent at the WR position.

[24SuperChamp]

Watts

There is no doubt in my mind that Watts will be picked up by another team. He can easily fill the void for teams with WR problems. I see him going to the Patriots, any takers? He has so much upside, it's just to bad that we will never see it!

[silkamilkamonic]

You seem to miss the fact that we kept the best WR's that were on the roster, period. Not just the ones that could play special teams. This year the WR sport should be better than last year, whether or not it becomes a team strength is a whole 'nother story.

You seem to miss the fact that our best WR's not counting Smith, Walker, and Marshall who's a rookie nobody right now anyways, couldn't even make the hapless Lions or Ravens.

The Lions cut Charles Rogers, and he was a #2 when Kirkus got cut.

Maybe Denver should sign him, he might even push Walker for the #2.

[tnedator]

We have WR's on our roster then couldn't even hack it with Baltimore and Detroit.

Think about that.

Yet every year Denver insists on keeping more then half their WR's for special teams only.

No wonder why Denver continues to struggle at the position.

You seem to miss the fact that we kept the best WR's that were on the roster, period. Not just the ones that could play special teams. This year the WR sport should be better than last year, whether or not it becomes a team strength is a whole 'nother story.

I know a lot of people are upset that Watts was cut, but it seems they forgot that Watts was inactive for all, or virtually all, of the games last year. He couldn't crack the starting lineup before Marshall was drafted or Kircus was hired away from Subway. What makes anyone think he would have been good enough to play this year?

[silkamilkamonic]

You guys are killing me.

Basically, Denver's WR position should change their names to "special teams", considering some of your guys theory is Denver only needs 2 reliable WR's in Smith and Walker, a rookie WR who hasn't proven a dam thing in Marshall, and other WR scrubs to play special teams, such as Devoe, Adams, and Kirkus.

When is Denver going to start using guys that play defense and tackle in special teams, then keeping WR's on the roster ONLY to play special teams?

Devoe, Adams, and Kirkus are not even average WR's in the NFL. They are borderline terrible.

We have WR's on our roster then couldn't even hack it with Baltimore and Detroit.

Think about that.

Yet every year Denver insists on keeping more then half their WR's for special teams only.

No wonder why Denver continues to struggle at the position.

[sendacash]

This was a quote from a previous poster:

"If you consider Scheffler being a threat (better than Putz) as well, as a whole this group is extremely strong. I know people are upset over D Watts but the fact is that he had his chance and never seemed to get over that hump. At least thats how I see it."

I really like this Scheffler kid and think he will eventually get as many catches, if not more than a 3rd WR. We seem to be in new era of great TE pass catching talent across the league. Here's an intersting quote from a fantasy web site regarding the new emphasis of the pass catching TE:

"As recently as 2003, only four tight ends topped 55 receptions. Last season, a record 12 players managed the feat. The NFL is ever-evolving and right now every coach wants a zone busting tight end to patrol the middle of the field."

[stnzed]

i think it comes down to risk vs reward

i personally am sad to see watts go, but he was a high risk player, but with huge upside

adams and devoe are low risk, low upside.

i think shanny wanted a consistent #3 that would not play stellar, but would play solid when he was in the game. and save the higher risk higher reward position for marshall and hixon. Give them a year or two to see what they will bring to the table, imo marshall is better than watts and will have a better career.

You base this on what? Not on what Shanahan tells you?