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Yet Adams and Devoe consistently light up the scoreboard week after week right?
I think Kircus' value was actually similar to Watts (albeit a quite a bit cheaper.) He had a big preseason, outside of that, he's never proven a thing either. I'm still upset we got rid of Watts and will continue to be so unless he pulls a Clarett and totally makes himself look like a waste. Seeing as how that won't happen my money is he lands somewhere else and lands big provided he gets a fair shot there.
Watts dropped some big balls in '04, which put him in a position where HE had to PROVE to the coaches that if he was trusted again, that he would perform better. Obviously, he didn't do that.
The NFL is full of players that failed one place and succeeded some place else. I could provide a whole list, but lets just stick with Kircus' number, since it seems appropriate. Number 87, Ed Mccaffrey, struggled in NY and was released, before going to SF for a year or two with a minimal role, and coming to Denver to become one of the most beloved Broncos ever that wasn't named Elway.
Nobody can convince me that cutting Watts was a good idea.....Adams and Devoe....Send em both packing
How is the positon any better than it was 12 months ago?
Walker maybe better than Lelie....But at least we know Lelie was healthy going in to the season.
All the other peices stay the same...But a year older.....
I have faith in Smith and that's it!
Okay, first of all the position is SIGNIFICANTLY better than last year. Here's how it goes:
Rod Smith - this guy can play forever. He is the master at finding his position on the field, turning it upfield for more yards and avoiding taking a bad hit so his body stays fresh. I'd say just as strong as last year, only one more year of experience.
Javon Walker - are you not reading anything that has been printed about this guy??? Did you not see the games??? This guy is a monster, he's going to tear it up. Yeah sure, he's coming back from ACL surgery, but all reports to date say he's made a full recovery. Lelie was going nowhere in Denver, Javon is turning heads. HUGE upgrade here.
Brandon Marshall - freaky athletic ability. He didn't get to show it much during the preseason due to a minor PCL tear, but he was all the rage prior to that. When you compare this guy who is young with a huge upside to last year's #3 (Devoe) I think you'd have to give me this one as a definite upgrade.
David Kircus - overachiever, preseason stud, makes the good catch, gets open. Does everything you need. He's just not that flashy but he gets the job done. True, he'll never be an Eddie Mac, but coming in at #4 this is quality depth (which was not here last year).
Todd Devoe - Getting better every year. He's not as great an athlete as Watts, sure enough, but WR's aren't paid to be great all-around athletes. Their paid to catch balls which is something Devoe does, and Watts does not. Watts was non-existant last year, Devoe had some big catches. I don't know how you can say Watts is any better than Devoe comparing this past season. We're talking #5 here and still chuggin' (I think its good evidence that we've upgraded since last years #3 is now our #5).
Charlie Adams - yeah, okay, don't have much to say here. I agree that the only reason he stayed over Watts was special teams. Still, since when does #6 WR actually get into the game if this is NOT the case.
If you consider Scheffler being a threat (better than Putz) as well, as a whole this group is extremely strong. I know people are upset over D Watts but the fact is that he had his chance and never seemed to get over that hump. At least thats how I see it.
Shanahan has been coach in Denver since when, 1995? The only impact WR he has ever drafted is Ashley Lelie, and he ended up spending a first round pick, only to lose him to a third.
Well, that was really Lelie's fault for holding out. Otherwise, he'd still be a key contributing member of this year's receiving corps.
I'm not going to question Shanahan on winning, building a team, or x's and o's, but it is a cause for concern when the contineous weak spot in the offense is the WR position, something Shanahan has NEVER been good at evaluating.
I don't care what anyone says, that's a cause for concern.
None of us knows exactly how much evaluating Shanny does or how much he relies on his scouts or other sources of information. But whatever the process is, the Broncos have definitely had bad luck with drafting receivers. Then again, the same was true of cornerbacks until last year.
Regardless, I still believe that wide receiver is the hardest position to evaluate when it comes to the draft. High draft picks stink it up all the time. And that's actually the main reason I wish we'd never use a first rounder on a receiver.
As for Watts, I'm really dreading the possibility of hearing about how successful he becomes in the next year or two playing for somebody else... hopefully not a rival.
Yep. And you know the sad thing about Javon walker and Ashley Lelie?
Shanahan passed on Walker to draft Lelie, only to have Walker being the one that breaks out, Lelie being the flake and losing him for a 3rd rounder, and having to give up a second rounder for Walker.
Shanahan don't know jack about WR's!
And you know whats even worse?
We passed up Ed Reed to draft Lelie
we could have Ed Reed AND Javon Walker on this team instead of just Walker...
half of you guys just need to let our coaches do there thing !
I have total trust in mike after all he did lead us to a 13 win season.I think adams was kept because of his special teams play , watts has never proven his self.
Yet Adams and Devoe consistently light up the scoreboard week after week right?
I think Kircus' value was actually similar to Watts (albeit a quite a bit cheaper.) He had a big preseason, outside of that, he's never proven a thing either. I'm still upset we got rid of Watts and will continue to be so unless he pulls a Clarett and totally makes himself look like a waste. Seeing as how that won't happen my money is he lands somewhere else and lands big provided he gets a fair shot there.
yes mike does have his problems drafting, but i was watching nfl network today and they where talking about how many 1st round wideouts are busts. It seems we are not the only one with this problem!
half of you guys just need to let our coaches do there thing !
I have total trust in mike after all he did lead us to a 13 win season.I think adams was kept because of his special teams play , watts has never proven his self.
Thakn you. Again guys, Shanahan usually knows what he was doing, so let's see how it all turns out and what Shanahan will do next.
If it turns out better, then everything is all good. If it stays the same, no loss. If it get's worse, well, Watts didn't really contribute last year enough to be considered a huge loss. 2 catches. Let's just see what Shanahan has in store for us.
All we can do now is wish Darius a warm good bye for a nice rookie season and hope, for his sake, that he can correct "the claw."
The Mastermind is holding onto him until he can swing a three-team deal that sends Adams to the CFL and gets us the Redskins' first-round pick.
HAHAA! Nice.
Think about it. Watts has never been part of special teams. Adams has. Neither is going to be in on offensive plays this year due to the good play of Kircus. I think Watts was more expendable because of that reason alone. If Watts had offered equal value as Adams on special teams things would have been different.
Charles Rodgers was released as well. Maybe Denver will try and pick him up. Maybe Shannahan has something up his sleeve. Rodgers would probably have to fire his crappy agent Kevin Poston though. That guy demands a lot.
Nobody can convince me that cutting Watts was a good idea.....Adams and Devoe....Send em both packing
How is the positon any better than it was 12 months ago?
Walker maybe better than Lelie....But at least we know Lelie was healthy going in to the season.
All the other peices stay the same...But a year older.....
I have faith in Smith and that's it!
Time will tell.
If healthy, Walker is better than Lelie.
Based on preseason, Kircus is more reliable as a 3rd WR (which is a guy you want to catch the ball and help convert 3rd downs) then Watts.
Marshall is still an unkown, but looked good in training camp and the first pre-season game.
Nate Jackson is finally healthy, and has been lining up wide much of the preseason.
Scheffler has been playing in the slot and doing well.
So, last year we had basically Smith and Lelie, Plus Adams/Devoe - Putz and this is what the team managed:
Code:
Player No Yds Avg Long TD
Rod Smith 85 1105 13 72 6
Ashley Lelie 42 770 18.3 56 1
Jeb Putzier 37 481 13 32 0
Mike Anderson 18 212 11.8 66 1
Charlie Adams 21 203 9.7 21 0
Stephen Alexander 21 170 8.1 15 1
Kyle Johnson 17 160 9.4 33 5
Tatum Bell 18 104 5.8 14 0
Todd Devoe 9 87 9.7 44 1
Darius Watts 2 22 11 12 0
Wesley Duke 2 22 11 21 1
Ron Dayne 3 17 5.7 7 0
Cecil Sapp 2 17 8.5 12 0
Dwayne Carswell 2 3 1.5 2 2
Now, this year, we have Smith and Walker, Plus Kircus/Marshall/Adams/Devoe - Scheff/Jackson.
That looks like a big upgrade to me.
We still have our number one receiver, and Walker shoudl easialy be able to match Lelie's production, plus is better on the slants and other over the middle stuff.
Scheffler and Jackson should combine for significantly more catches than Putz, and Adams/Devoe/Alexander are still on the team, but we have the addition of Kircus.
More importantly, if we want, we can run 4 or 5 wide from the first game of the season (even if Marshall is not ready to go). Day one we can throw Smith, Walker, Scheff, Kircus and Devoe/Jackson/Adams out in a 5 wide formation, which wasn't much of an option last year.
There has been a significant upgrade in both WR and TE this year, which was desperately needed.
half of you guys just need to let our coaches do there thing !
I have total trust in mike after all he did lead us to a 13 win season.I think adams was kept because of his special teams play , watts has never proven his self.
Think about this for a second.
Shanahan has been coach in Denver since when, 1995? The only impact WR he has ever drafted is Ashley Lelie, and he ended up spending a first round pick, only to lose him to a third.
I'm not going to question Shanahan on winning, building a team, or x's and o's, but it is a cause for concern when the contineous weak spot in the offense is the WR position, something Shanahan has NEVER been good at evaluating.
I don't care what anyone says, that's a cause for concern.
If he stinks it up on the field, where it matters, how does it help his value or help us get anything for him? Trying to deal him would dampen our confidence in Watts anymore.
I never said I liked the decision, but Shanahan knows our team better than we do, so I have to go with him on this and see if it turned out for the better. We all do.
Shanahan felt comfortable with Smith, Walker, Marshall, Kircus and Devoe at receiver. He obviously is not comfortable with Adams at returner/receiver seeing as we tried to deal him.
The decision was a shock to all of us, but with competant receivers, atleast in Shanahan's view, already availble, Watts became less useful. We probably should have traded him, but if we couldn't get useful value, we'd essentially be giving him away anyway.
I already said, I don't believe Adams's position on the Broncos is as secure as everyone is making it out to be. You all are panicking a bit to much. There's plenty of guys we can nab off waivers to return kicks. Watts can't do that, so what use does he have here? Peter Warrick, for example, has proven he can return kicks and be a half-decent receiver. Forget his draft status, he's shown what his limits and abilities in the NFL are and he would be a good addition to the Broncos for the versatility that Adams never had. Warrick might not even be the best option but there are plenty of improvements with more versatility and ability than Charlie Adams on the market and for all our sakes, I hope Shanahan can net a keeper.
Your probably right.....I just hope he replaces Watts with someone not on the roster! Because, unlike broncosfan123, I do not trust "Mike".
half of you guys just need to let our coaches do there thing !
I have total trust in mike after all he did lead us to a 13 win season.I think adams was kept because of his special teams play , watts has never proven his self.
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