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  • So what was with the O-Line trouble throughout the league? (Including Broncos)

    Alot of teams this first week seemed to really struggle with their O-Line play.

    The Broncos were a team that wasn't immune to this phenomenon.

    With all the advantages the NFL gives to the offense every year, this really perplexes me as why it occured.

    In the Broncos case, I personally think it was because of a few factors.

    In no particular order

    ~ The Offensive Cordinator hasn't spent enough time with these guys. He's pulling double duty.

    ~ The plays we were running game one didn't play to the strength of our line.

    ~ We didn't play against any ELITE D-lines in the preseason, So we didn't get a fair test for our O-line.


    But what about the rest of the league?

    What has everyone copied this offseason that is giving O-Lines so much trouble?

    I was thinking maybe teams were coping what Pittsburgh has been doing. This is a copycat league after all. There's plently of tape on how to beat us from the AFCCG. After I saw the Rams game, it reminded alot of AFCCG. Though it didn't hurt quite as much.

  • #2
    The Broncos seem to be one of the few teams that didn't join the trend of bringing in players to make a good defensive line. When it comes to being the best at sucking on the defensive line, the Broncos shine bright every Sunday. In all seriousness, other defenses are probably able to be let more lose than ours. Gotta love that GAP CONTROL COYER BRINGS TO THE DEFENSE. LOLZ.

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    • #3
      I stated this in another thread but will do so again.

      I think it was a mistake again this year in resting the first stringers in the last preseason game. Timing on offense is just to important for them not to have played but two Quarters together over a three week period. Every time we have done that in the past few years, the next game has been a struggle at best at worst we got teh crap kicked out of us.

      Practice is one thing game time is another.

      Defense is always farther ahead early in the year. Less complicated and some what less coordination needed, than the complex scheme that Mikey has for the offense.

      Until the timing is down pat for route running on passing plays there will be miscues as there was last year, ashley and Jake never got in sync like they were in 2004.

      From what I saw in the game. Because of Mikey's scripted plays.

      We did not try to seriously run the ball until later in the game.

      Because of that, no one bit on the play action.

      Because no one was worried about the RUN hurting them, they could tee off on the QB would be in a 5 step drop.


      If we can't stop LJ this is gonna be a long season.
      Last edited by JRWIZ; 09-14-2006, 12:37 PM.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by JRWIZ
        I stated this in another thread but will do so again.

        I think it was a mistake again this year in resting the first stringers in the last preseason game. TIming on offense is just to important for them not to have played but two Quarters together over a three week period. Every time we have done that in the past few years, the next game has been a struggle at best at worst we got teh crap kicked out of us.

        Practice is one thing game time is another.

        Defense is always farther ahead early in the year. Less complicated and some what less coordination needed, than the complex scheme that Mikey has for the offense.

        Until the timing is down pat for route running on passing plays there will be miscues as there was last year. ashley and Jake never got in synch like they were in 2004.

        From what I saw in the game. Becuase of Mikey's scripted plays.

        We did not try to seriously run the ball until later in the game.

        Because of that, no one bit on the play action.

        Because no one was worried about the RUN hurting them, they could tee off on the QB would be in a 5 step drop.


        If we can't stop LJ this is gonna be a long season.


        Well, maybe Mikey was hoping teams would bite on play action on our run rep alone.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by The Dark Knight
          Well, maybe Mikey was hoping teams would bite on play action on our run rep alone.
          Wish in one hand, crap in the other see which one fills up first.

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          • #6
            considering we went 13-3 last season MOSTLY due to the fact that we were able to hold onto leads... considering Shanahan has one of the highest percentages on scoring on the first drive, I'd like us to stick with the scripted plays.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Ravage!!!
              considering we went 13-3 last season MOSTLY due to the fact that we were able to hold onto leads... considering Shanahan has one of the highest percentages on scoring on the first drive, I'd like us to stick with the scripted plays.

              Yeah that would be the smart thing to do rather ditching them.
              John 11: 25-27

              My Adopt-A-Bronco is D.J. Williams



              Thanks Snk16

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ravage!!!
                considering we went 13-3 last season MOSTLY due to the fact that we were able to hold onto leads... considering Shanahan has one of the highest percentages on scoring on the first drive, I'd like us to stick with the scripted plays.
                In 2006 he is 1-3. Here are some of those great scripted plays.

                1-10-DEN26 (11:41) M.Anderson left guard to DEN 27 for 1 yard (R.Seymour).
                2-9-DEN27 (11:04) PENALTY on DEN-S.Alexander, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 27 - No Play.
                2-14-DEN22 (10:41) J.Plummer pass to A.Lelie pushed ob at DEN 32 for 10 yards (A.Samuel).
                3-4-DEN32 (10:09) M.Anderson right guard to DEN 34 for 2 yards (T.Warren).
                4-2-DEN34 (9:29) T.Sauerbrun punts 41 yards to NE 25, Center-M.Leach. T.Dwight pushed ob at NE 35 for 10 yards (L.Green).

                1-10-DEN36 (5:27) J.Plummer pass to A.Lelie to DEN 41 for 5 yards (R.Colvin).
                2-5-DEN41 (4:54) J.Plummer up the middle to DEN 47 for 6 yards (T.Bruschi, V.Wilfork).
                1-10-DEN47 (4:10) T.Bell left tackle to 50 for 3 yards (R.Colvin).
                2-7-50 (3:31) J.Plummer pass incomplete to A.Lelie.
                3-7-50 (3:26) J.Plummer pass to R.Smith to NE 45 for 5 yards (C.Brown, H.Poteat).
                4-2-NE45 (2:45) T.Sauerbrun punts 41 yards to NE 4, Center-M.Leach, downed by DEN-C.Cox.

                1-10-DEN37 (1:23) J.Plummer pass to A.Lelie to NE 48 for 15 yards (M.Vrabel; E.Hobbs).
                1-10-NE48 (:47) M.Anderson right tackle to NE 44 for 4 yards (W.McGinest).
                2-6-NE44 (:08) M.Anderson up the middle to NE 44 for no gain (R.Colvin).
                Second Quarter
                Denver Broncos continued...
                3-6-NE44 (15:00) J.Plummer pass to R.Smith to NE 29 for 15 yards (E.Hobbs).
                1-10-NE29 (14:16) J.Plummer pass to A.Lelie to NE 26 for 3 yards (A.Samuel).
                2-7-NE26 (14:16) J.Plummer pass incomplete to S.Alexander.
                3-7-NE26 (13:35) J.Plummer pass incomplete to R.Smith.
                PENALTY on DEN-T.Bell, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at NE 26 - No Play.
                2-17-NE36 (13:26) J.Plummer pass to J.Putzier to NE 12 for 24 yards (A.Samuel).
                1-10-NE12 (12:41) T.Bell left tackle to NE 4 for 8 yards (E.Hobbs).
                2-2-NE4 (12:00) T.Bell left tackle to NE 3 for 1 yard (R.Seymour).
                3-1-NE3 (11:32) J.Plummer up the middle to NE 3 for no gain (T.Warren).
                4-1-NE3 (10:47) J.Plummer pass incomplete to A.Lelie.
                1-10-DEN38 (3:42) J.Plummer pass incomplete to A.Lelie (A.Samuel).
                2-10-DEN38 (3:37) J.Plummer pass to J.Putzier to DEN 46 for 8 yards (M.Vrabel, A.Hawkins).
                3-2-DEN46 (2:52) J.Plummer pass incomplete to R.Smith.
                4-2-DEN46 (2:48) T.Sauerbrun punts 48 yards to NE 6, Center-M.Leach, fair catch by T.Dwight

                Next week

                1-10-DEN21 (14:55) M.Anderson up the middle to DEN 23 for 2 yards (T.Polamalu).
                2-8-DEN23 (14:14) M.Anderson right end to DEN 28 for 5 yards (C.Haggans).
                3-3-DEN28 (13:26) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 32 for 4 yards (L.Foote).
                1-10-DEN32 (12:46) J.Plummer pass to J.Putzier pushed ob at PIT 49 for 19 yards (L.Foote).
                1-10-PIT49 (12:12) J.Plummer right end to PIT 48 for 1 yard (B.Keisel).
                2-9-PIT48 (11:32) M.Anderson left tackle to PIT 44 for 4 yards (T.Polamalu; D.Townsend).
                3-5-PIT44 (10:52) J.Plummer pass incomplete to R.Smith.
                4-5-PIT44 (10:47) T.Sauerbrun punts 36 yards to PIT 8, Center-M.Leach, fair catch by A.Randle El.


                1-10-DEN22 (4:06) J.Plummer pass to R.Smith to DEN 35 for 13 yards (J.Farrior).
                1-10-DEN35 (3:29) M.Anderson right tackle to DEN 41 for 6 yards (K.von Oelhoffen).
                2-4-DEN41 (2:55) J.Plummer sacked at DEN 34 for -7 yards (J.Porter). FUMBLES (J.Porter), RECOVERED by PIT-C.Hampton at DEN 39. C.Hampton to DEN 39 for no gain (B.Hamilton).

                1-10-DEN40 (14:54) T.Bell left end to DEN 40 for no gain (C.Hampton).
                2-10-DEN40 (14:13) J.Plummer up the middle to DEN 41 for 1 yard (J.Porter).
                3-9-DEN41 (13:32) J.Plummer pass to T.Bell to DEN 49 for 8 yards (T.Polamalu).
                4-1-DEN49 (13:32) M.Anderson to 50 for 1 yard (B.Keisel).
                1-10-50 (12:16) J.Plummer pass incomplete to A.Lelie (J.Farrior).
                2-10-50 (12:12) M.Anderson right tackle to PIT 43 for 7 yards (C.Hope, J.Porter).
                3-3-PIT43 (11:32) J.Plummer pass to M.Anderson pushed ob at PIT 30 for 13 yards (L.Foote).
                1-10-PIT30 (11:00) J.Plummer pass to J.Putzier to PIT 12 for 18 yards (D.Townsend).
                1-10-PIT12 (10:14) J.Plummer pass incomplete to A.Lelie.
                2-10-PIT12 (10:09) J.Plummer pass incomplete to M.Anderson.
                3-10-PIT12 (10:06) M.Anderson right tackle to PIT 5 for 7 yards (C.Hope, C.Haggans).
                4-3-PIT5 (9:27) J.Elam 23 yard field goal is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer.
                PIT 10 DEN 3, Plays: 12 Yards: 55 Possession: 5:31.


                Finally a score after 2.5 quarters

                2006 season

                1-10-DEN21 (14:55) J.Plummer pass short left to S.Alexander to DEN 26 for 5 yards (F.Brown).
                2-5-DEN26 (14:26) PENALTY on DEN-C.Carlisle, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at DEN 26 - No Play.
                2-10-DEN21 (14:09) T.Bell right end to DEN 28 for 7 yards (P.Tinoisamoa).
                3-3-DEN28 (13:24) J.Plummer pass short left to J.Walker to DEN 39 for 11 yards (O.Atogwe).
                1-10-DEN39 (12:42) T.Bell left tackle to DEN 42 for 3 yards (L.Little).
                2-7-DEN42 (11:59) J.Plummer pass incomplete deep left to T.Scheffler.
                3-7-DEN42 (11:54) J.Plummer sacked at DEN 33 for -9 yards (L.Little). Penalty on DEN-G.Foster, Offensive Holding, declined.
                4-16-DEN33 (11:40) P.Ernster punts 43 yards to SL 24, Center-M.Leach, fair catch by S.McDonald.

                1-10-DEN21 (3:38) J.Plummer pass short right to M.Bell to DEN 21 for no gain (W.Witherspoon) [L.Little].
                2-10-DEN21 (2:52) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 27 for 6 yards (O.Atogwe).
                3-4-DEN27 (2:11) J.Plummer pass short middle to R.Smith to DEN 35 for 8 yards (W.Witherspoon).
                1-10-DEN35 (1:31) J.Plummer sacked at DEN 27 for -8 yards (L.Little). FUMBLES (L.Little), touched at DEN 27, RECOVERED by SL-P.Tinoisamoa at DEN 3. P.Tinoisamoa to DEN 3 for no gain (C.Carlisle). Play Challenged by DEN and Upheld. (Timeout #1 by DEN at 01:19.)

                1-10-DEN34 (:20) T.Bell up the middle to DEN 35 for 1 yard (W.Witherspoon). FUMBLES (W.Witherspoon), touched at DEN 35, RECOVERED by SL-O.Atogwe at DEN 34. O.Atogwe to DEN 34 for no gain (T.Scheffler).

                1-10-DEN20 (13:21) M.Bell left tackle to DEN 24 for 4 yards (B.Chillar).
                2-6-DEN24 (12:45) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 27 for 3 yards (W.Witherspoon).
                3-3-DEN27 (12:02) J.Plummer pass short right intended for R.Smith INTERCEPTED by T.Hill at DEN 31. T.Hill to DEN 17 for 14 yards (J.Plummer).

                1-10-DEN20 (10:24) T.Bell right tackle to DEN 27 for 7 yards (L.Glover).
                2-3-DEN27 (9:47) T.Bell left end to DEN 29 for 2 yards (B.Chillar).
                3-1-DEN29 (9:04) J.Plummer sacked at DEN 19 for -10 yards (F.Brown).
                4-11-DEN19 (8:37) P.Ernster punts 42 yards to SL 39, Center-M.Leach. S.McDonald to DEN 44 for 17 yards (S.Brandon).
                PENALTY on SL-Tr.Fisher, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SL 39.

                1-10-DEN21 (5:42) M.Bell left tackle to DEN 20 for -1 yards (L.Glover).
                2-11-DEN20 (5:05) J.Plummer pass short right to M.Bell to DEN 29 for 9 yards (L.Little).
                3-2-DEN29 (4:24) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 30 for 1 yard (C.Wroten).
                4-1-DEN30 (3:52) M.Bell right tackle to DEN 32 for 2 yards (W.Witherspoon).
                1-10-DEN32 (3:11) M.Bell left tackle to DEN 35 for 3 yards (L.Little).
                2-7-DEN35 (2:29) J.Plummer pass deep right to R.Smith to SL 46 for 19 yards (F.Brown).
                1-10-STL46 (2:00) J.Plummer pass short middle to M.Bell to SL 32 for 14 yards (C.Chavous).
                1-10-STL32 (1:21) J.Plummer pass short left to T.Scheffler to SL 23 for 9 yards (T.Hargrove).
                2-1-STL23 (:46) M.Bell right tackle to SL 20 for 3 yards (W.Witherspoon, L.Glover).
                1-10-STL20 (:41) J.Plummer pass short left to S.Alexander pushed ob at SL 1 for 19 yards (C.Chavous) [L.Little]. Play Challenged by Review Assistant and Upheld.
                1-1-STL1 (:34) M.Bell right tackle to SL 1 for no gain.
                PENALTY on SL-L.Glover, Defensive Offside, 0 yards, enforced at SL 1 - No Play.
                1-1-STL1 (:29) M.Bell right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
                J.Elam extra point is GOOD, Center-M.Leach, Holder-J.Plummer.
                DEN 7 STL 12, Plays: 11 Yards: 79 Possession: 5:22.

                ANOTHER score of 2006 on maybe scripted plays, with 29 seconds to go in the first half.

                TWO scores in 4.5 quarters

                Sometimes you have to swallow the pride and make adjustments. How many more games are we gonna loose? Because Mikey is so worried about what is gonna happen in the next couple of series, to figure out what is happening NOW.

                Maybe it is time to unscript and be like normal coaches.

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                • #9
                  The scripted plays do more than just give us production at the moment.


                  It gives us an idea of how opposing defenses will react to certain plays/formations.


                  And then we can make adjustments off of the script.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                    The scripted plays do more than just give us production at the moment.


                    It gives us an idea of how opposing defenses will react to certain plays/formations.


                    And then we can make adjustments off of the script.
                    But if your game is going to hell in a handbasket like that last three games PATS, PITS and STL. Maybe it is time to worry about the present and not worry about 6 plays from now.

                    See above about what those plays were and what they accomplished.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                      Alot of teams this first week seemed to really struggle with their O-Line play.

                      The Broncos were a team that wasn't immune to this phenomenon.

                      With all the advantages the NFL gives to the offense every year, this really perplexes me as why it occured.


                      What has everyone copied this offseason that is giving O-Lines so much trouble?

                      I was thinking maybe teams were coping what Pittsburgh has been doing. This is a copycat league after all. There's plently of tape on how to beat us from the AFCCG. After I saw the Rams game, it reminded alot of AFCCG. Though it didn't hurt quite as much.
                      defensive coordinators have the entire off-season to dream up new ways to put pressure on the qb. they usually don't show their cards in the preseason, so the opening game is the first chance offenses have to see these new schemes - ie, the offenses are not prepared. the defenses have the advantage of the elements of novelty and surprise in the first game. there's not much offenses can do about this, imo.
                      Go Bears!

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by The Dark Knight
                        The scripted plays do more than just give us production at the moment.


                        It gives us an idea of how opposing defenses will react to certain plays/formations.


                        And then we can make adjustments off of the script.

                        Exactly......Keep the script!

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