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  • PowderAddict
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    Deon was on a team last year! CB is one of the hardest positions if not the hardest after QB to really learn. And those that are good at it can stick around for a long time!

    There are a lot of solid CBs, but very few great ones. The great ones can change the whole look of a defense. Look at last year - Broncos got hammered on the road, were losing at home against SD when Champ had the interception return for a TD that got the season on track. In the playoffs - NE was looking at taking over the game, when Champ has the key INT that saved the game.

    Champ Bailey > any other CB playing right now.

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  • JRWIZ
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    Originally posted by RBDynasty
    GC nailed it. Champ is the best complete corner at the moment but he's heading into the twilight of his prime. Hall has the skills and in a few years, he will most definetely be the best in the league.
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    Most really good CB's play into there mid to late 30's Champs mentor Darrell Green was in his 39-40 if I remember correctly. Mostly injuries are what causes them to lose effectiveness.

    While speed may diminish somewhat, the savvy it takes out there by yourself only grows and make you better.

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  • RBDynasty
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    Champ Bailey is the best CB in the league right now, and CBs have to be measured by a combo of times tested, picks, passes defended, and completion % against them. If you compare CBs head to head, you have to include completion % against a commen WR or TE, and times that WR or TE was thrown at.

    Champ is the best right now, but Hall hasnt been in the league as long... I think in a couple years DeAngelo will surpass him as the best CB.
    GC nailed it. Champ is the best complete corner at the moment but he's heading into the twilight of his prime. Hall has the skills and in a few years, he will most definetely be the best in the league.

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  • robertmcleod123
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    Hey redneckrocker, you should show the entire clip of the Ward atch/ Lynch hit...because im pretty sure it was still a completion

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  • redneckrocker
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    Champ is the best. He never ceases to amaze me!!

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  • PatrickdaDookie
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    Definitely the less they throw at a CB, the better they are playing. Unless, of course, you think Deltha O'Neal is as good as they come...

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  • robertmcleod123
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    Champ And Prime Time Jr! (dhall)

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  • SouthCarolina24
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    Originally posted by Lorcust
    It's Rashean Mathis not Kevin Mathis.

    Here are my picks so far for best corner:

    1) Champ Bailey
    2) Rashean Mathis
    3) Ken Lucas
    4) Chris McCalister
    5) Antoine Winfield
    Yeah, my bad.......Im just thinking about the MEAC. I tried to edit it, but couldnt find the option.

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    Mhm, and I also said Champ is better... so i guess it makes since Hall ranked worse than him huh?
    Is your favorite shape a circle?

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  • GridironChamp
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    Eh.

    You just said yourself:



    Champ was all the way down to 54th in target rate, out of about 80 ranked corners.
    Mhm, and I also said Champ is better... so i guess it makes since Hall ranked worse than him huh?

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    Now i wonder, just wonder, if DeAngelo Hall was targeted more because the other teams #1 WR WAS WHO HE WAS COVERING

    Jeeze, it doesnt even take a brain to know that a QB will still throw at his #1 WR no matter who is covering him, except when Deon played. And yes, Champ is better than Hall because he has been in the league what 4 more years?
    Eh.

    You just said yourself:

    D Hall doesnt get looked at by QBs..... He is avoided as much as possible just like Champ is.
    Champ was all the way down to 54th in target rate, out of about 80 ranked corners.

    You dont throw at Hall when he is on your #2 or #3 guy just like you dont with Champ. Atl, puts Hall on the best WR, so eventually balls will be going that way. Now, against a #2 or #3 WR he probably sees 2 or 3 balls thrown his way a game.
    Ahaaaa...backpedal, backpedal, BACKPEDAL.

    Just a thought...why would Atlanta match their CB1 up against a no. 3? Atlanta was subpar against no. 1, 2, and 3 receivers as well as TE's and RB's.

    Find the stat, that compares how many tiems Webster was thrown at when gaurding a #1 WR compared to Hall. CBs are near impossible to rank yet alone compare. There are too many varables, AKA Zone coverage, cover 2, cover 3, double coverage ect...
    91 of Hall's 105 attempts were in direct coverage.

    The good corners have good metrics...simple as that.
    Last edited by WABronco; 10-02-2006, 08:41 AM.

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  • Lorcust
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    It's Rashean Mathis not Kevin Mathis.

    Here are my picks so far for best corner:

    1) Champ Bailey
    2) Rashean Mathis
    3) Ken Lucas
    4) Chris McCalister
    5) Antoine Winfield

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  • GridironChamp
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    Originally posted by WABronco
    Oh really, is that why he was targeted more times than Jason FREAKING Webster last year (easily one of the worst starting corners in the league)? He ranks 5th overall among corners in target rate at 33%. He has the athleticism to make the big play, but he's still very shady in coverage. He doesn't even belong in the conversation, at this point in time.

    My top corners are Shawn Springs, Nathan Vasher, Ken Lucas, and Champ Bailey.
    Now i wonder, just wonder, if DeAngelo Hall was targeted more because the other teams #1 WR WAS WHO HE WAS COVERING

    Jeeze, it doesnt even take a brain to know that a QB will still throw at his #1 WR no matter who is covering him, except when Deon played. And yes, Champ is better than Hall because he has been in the league what 4 more years?


    Find the stat, that compares how many tiems Webster was thrown at when gaurding a #1 WR compared to Hall. CBs are near impossible to rank yet alone compare. There are too many varables, AKA Zone coverage, cover 2, cover 3, double coverage ect...

    You dont throw at Hall when he is on your #2 or #3 guy just like you dont with Champ. Atl, puts Hall on the best WR, so eventually balls will be going that way. Now, against a #2 or #3 WR he probably sees 2 or 3 balls thrown his way a game.
    Last edited by GridironChamp; 10-02-2006, 08:34 AM.

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  • Drunk Bronco
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    hall is a wannabe primetime,lol,BE YOURSELF...................

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  • WABronco
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    Originally posted by GridironChamp
    D Hall doesnt get looked at by QBs..... He is avoided as much as possible just like Champ is. Just the only difference is, the experience that Champ has over Hall right now.
    Oh really, is that why he was targeted more times than Jason FREAKING Webster last year (easily one of the worst starting corners in the league)? He ranks 5th overall among corners in target rate at 33%. He has the athleticism to make the big play, but he's still very shady in coverage. He doesn't even belong in the conversation, at this point in time.

    My top corners are Shawn Springs, Nathan Vasher, Ken Lucas, and Champ Bailey.
    Last edited by WABronco; 10-02-2006, 08:27 AM.

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