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    http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...&contentID=751

    7 ints in 456 attempts. I seriously don't see how Elway is better than Plummer?

    Elway blew 3 Super Bowls and one was 55-10!! Come on people if Plummer lost a Super Bowl I doubt it would be that bad. 55-10!!!

    How many times did Elway just get us to the divisionals, or barely to the wild card?

    Jake Plummer(Career 10yrs)
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | 1997 ari | 10 | 157 296 53.0 2203 7.4 15 15
    | 1998 ari | 16 | 324 547 59.2 3737 6.8 17 20
    | 1999 ari | 12 | 201 381 52.8 2111 5.5 9 24
    | 2000 ari | 14 | 270 475 56.8 2946 6.2 13 21
    | 2001 ari | 16 | 304 525 57.9 3653 7.0 18 14
    | 2002 ari | 16 | 284 530 53.6 2972 5.6 18 20
    | 2003 den | 11 | 189 302 62.6 2182 7.2 15 7
    | 2004 den | 16 | 303 521 58.2 4089 7.8 27 20
    | 2005 den | 16 | 277 456 60.7 3366 7.4 18 7
    | 2006 den | 10 | 150 276 54.3 1778 6.4 10 11
    +-------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 137 | 2459 4309 57.1 29037 6.7 160 159 |
    +-------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    QB RATING = 74.7



    Jake Plummer(4yrs.w/Denver)
    +----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
    +----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+
    | 2003 den | 11 | 189 302 62.6 2182 7.2 15 7
    | 2004 den | 16 | 303 521 58.2 4089 7.8 27 20
    | 2005 den | 16 | 277 456 60.7 3366 7.4 18 7
    | 2006 den | 10 | 150 276 54.3 1778 6.4 10 11
    +---------=-+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 53 | 919 1555 58.9 11415 7.2 70 45 |
    +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
    QB RATING = 84.8



    JOHN ELWAY (1st 10 Years)
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD - Y/A TD INT |
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | 1983 den | 11 | 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 |
    | 1984 den | 15 | 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 |
    | 1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 |
    | 1986 den | 16 | 280 504 55.6 3485 6.9 19 13 |
    | 1987 den | 12 | 224 410 54.6 3198 7.8 19 12 |
    | 1988 den | 15 | 274 496 55.2 3309 6.7 17 19 |
    | 1989 den | 15 | 223 416 53.6 3051 7.3 18 18 |
    | 1990 den | 16 | 294 502 58.6 3526 7.0 15 14 |
    | 1991 den | 16 | 242 451 53.7 3253 7.2 13 12 |
    | 1992 den | 12 | 174 316 55.1 2242 7.1 10 17 |
    +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 144 | 2377 4339 54.4 30216 6.9 177 157 |
    +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
    QB RATING = 75.2



    JOHN ELWAY (Last 4 Years)
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | 1995 den | 16 | 316 542 58.3 3970 7.3 26 14 |
    | 1996 den | 15 | 287 466 61.6 3328 7.1 26 14 |
    | 1997 den | 16 | 280 502 55.8 3635 7.2 27 11 |
    | 1998 den | 13 | 210 356 59.0 2806 7.9 22 10 |
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    | TOTAL | 60 | 1093 1866 58.6 13739 7.3 101 49 |
    +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
    QB RATING = 88.6

    Looks like Jake isn't doing so bad even though he was in Arizona for half his career, he is having an off year. But..just like freaking Miami we hope the new guy is the next greatest pro bowler. They want another Marino, and we Denver fans want another Elway.

    Cutler is a pocket guy. With what little time our ageing OL gives Plummer, I doubt Cutler will do much better.

    The speacial teams coverage is horrible, the D is now coughing up points, the recievers are dropping passes. What makes you think they are gonna catch any better with Cutler throwing the ball.

    I know Elway like Marino is a legend. Yet, those great years like this rough year are not always the QB's doing. Thats why its called a team game. They Elway and Marino had great teams too. Just like Plummer had last year, and he will again.

    Oh...and Plummer being 29th in rating this year? Well...if his recievers were more consistant it would be better. Look at all those QB's with higher ratings with lower winning percentages. He is doing what he has to do to win. The SD game, the D blew it.

    In the Indy game Plummer went shot for shot with Manning and the D couldn't stop Indy. Remember the Rams game? He got very little protection, just like against SD.

    Looks like tonight against the Chiefs he was the only Denver offensive player who showed up. ITS NOT PLUMMER!! THIS WHOLE TEAM HAS LOST ITS GLUE!!
    Last edited by Grunge_Bassist; 11-24-2006, 12:29 AM.

  • #2
    Oh boy. I'm just going to ask everyone to play nice even though it's going to tick off a lot of people.
    "You can't take the sky from me..."
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    "You can't shake the Devil's hand and say you're only kidding"

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Javalon
      Oh boy. I'm just going to ask everyone to play nice even though it's going to tick off a lot of people.
      Yea, I thought about it but it's not worth the repercussion. :brick:
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      • #4
        You forgot the stat "Playoff games, and Superbowls"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Grunge_Bassist
          http://www.denverbroncos.com/page.ph...&contentID=751

          7 ints in 456 attempts. I seriously don't see how Elway is better than Plummer?

          Elway blew 3 Super Bowls and one was 55-10!! Come on people if Plummer lost a Super Bowl I doubt it would be that bad. 55-10!!!

          How many times did Elway just get us to the divisionals, or barely to the wild card?

          Jake Plummer(Career 10yrs)
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | 1997 ari | 10 | 157 296 53.0 2203 7.4 15 15
          | 1998 ari | 16 | 324 547 59.2 3737 6.8 17 20
          | 1999 ari | 12 | 201 381 52.8 2111 5.5 9 24
          | 2000 ari | 14 | 270 475 56.8 2946 6.2 13 21
          | 2001 ari | 16 | 304 525 57.9 3653 7.0 18 14
          | 2002 ari | 16 | 284 530 53.6 2972 5.6 18 20
          | 2003 den | 11 | 189 302 62.6 2182 7.2 15 7
          | 2004 den | 16 | 303 521 58.2 4089 7.8 27 20
          | 2005 den | 16 | 277 456 60.7 3366 7.4 18 7
          | 2006 den | 10 | 150 276 54.3 1778 6.4 10 11
          +-------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | TOTAL | 137 | 2459 4309 57.1 29037 6.7 160 159 |
          +-------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          QB RATING = 74.7



          Jake Plummer(4yrs.w/Denver)
          +----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+
          | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
          +----------+-----+------------------------------------------------+
          | 2003 den | 11 | 189 302 62.6 2182 7.2 15 7
          | 2004 den | 16 | 303 521 58.2 4089 7.8 27 20
          | 2005 den | 16 | 277 456 60.7 3366 7.4 18 7
          | 2006 den | 10 | 150 276 54.3 1778 6.4 10 11
          +---------=-+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
          | TOTAL | 53 | 919 1555 58.9 11415 7.2 70 45 |
          +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
          QB RATING = 84.8



          JOHN ELWAY (1st 10 Years)
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD - Y/A TD INT |
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | 1983 den | 11 | 123 259 47.5 1663 6.4 7 14 |
          | 1984 den | 15 | 214 380 56.3 2598 6.8 18 15 |
          | 1985 den | 16 | 327 605 54.0 3891 6.4 22 23 |
          | 1986 den | 16 | 280 504 55.6 3485 6.9 19 13 |
          | 1987 den | 12 | 224 410 54.6 3198 7.8 19 12 |
          | 1988 den | 15 | 274 496 55.2 3309 6.7 17 19 |
          | 1989 den | 15 | 223 416 53.6 3051 7.3 18 18 |
          | 1990 den | 16 | 294 502 58.6 3526 7.0 15 14 |
          | 1991 den | 16 | 242 451 53.7 3253 7.2 13 12 |
          | 1992 den | 12 | 174 316 55.1 2242 7.1 10 17 |
          +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
          | TOTAL | 144 | 2377 4339 54.4 30216 6.9 177 157 |
          +------------+-----+-----------------------------------------------+
          QB RATING = 75.2



          JOHN ELWAY (Last 4 Years)
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | 1995 den | 16 | 316 542 58.3 3970 7.3 26 14 |
          | 1996 den | 15 | 287 466 61.6 3328 7.1 26 14 |
          | 1997 den | 16 | 280 502 55.8 3635 7.2 27 11 |
          | 1998 den | 13 | 210 356 59.0 2806 7.9 22 10 |
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          | TOTAL | 60 | 1093 1866 58.6 13739 7.3 101 49 |
          +------------+-----+----------------------------------------------+
          QB RATING = 88.6

          Looks like Jake isn't doing so bad even though he was in Arizona for half his career, he is having an off year. But..just like freaking Miami we hope the new guy is the next greatest pro bowler. They want another Marino, and we Denver fans want another Elway.

          Cutler is a pocket guy. With what little time our ageing OL gives Plummer, I doubt Cutler will do much better.

          The speacial teams coverage is horrible, the D is now coughing up points, the recievers are dropping passes. What makes you think they are gonna catch any better with Cutler throwing the ball.

          I know Elway like Marino is a legend. Yet, those great years like this rough year are not always the QB's doing. Thats why its called a team game. They Elway and Marino had great teams too. Just like Plummer had last year, and he will again.

          Oh...and Plummer being 29th in rating this year? Well...if his recievers were more consistant it would be better. Look at all those QB's with higher ratings with lower winning percentages. He is doing what he has to do to win. The SD game, the D blew it.

          In the Indy game Plummer went shot for shot with Manning and the D couldn't stop Indy. Remember the Rams game? He got very little protection, just like against SD.

          Looks like tonight against the Chiefs he was the only Denver offensive player who showed up. ITS NOT PLUMMER!! THIS WHOLE TEAM HAS LOST ITS GLUE!!
          Hey no need to convince me. I havent lost any faith in the SNAKE. I just really think our team as a whole has got alot of work to do. I am not even thinking about playoffs. I just want to win next sunday. If our D keeps playing the way they have been, it would be tough for ELWAY of 98 to win games with this team. That I am sure of!!!
          SOMEBODY!!! ANYBODY!!!! GIVE ME A MILE HIGH SALUTE!!!!

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          • #6
            I don't really care who plays nice. I think the way Denver fans are treating Plummer is crummy.

            Half were against him when he got there but he wins games. He had an awesome season last year.

            This year the problems are on all sides of the ball.

            I guess until Elways son starts for Denver no one there is gonna be happy.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by The Dyna$ty
              You forgot the stat "Playoff games, and Superbowls"
              Yea, didnt Elway go to 5 superbowls, won 2 of them, and won something like 17 playoff games? Jake hasnt been to 1 superbowl and won only 2 playoff games (one with AZ, one with Den) if im not mistaken. That's all I'm going to say about this argument.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Grunge_Bassist
                I don't really care who plays nice. I think the way Denver fans are treating Plummer is crummy.

                Half were against him when he got there but he wins games. He had an awesome season last year.

                This year the problems are on all sides of the ball.

                I guess until Elways son starts for Denver no one there is gonna be happy.
                This FACT is what I think we all should be nervous about.
                SOMEBODY!!! ANYBODY!!!! GIVE ME A MILE HIGH SALUTE!!!!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Grunge_Bassist
                  I don't really care who plays nice. I think the way Denver fans are treating Plummer is crummy.

                  Half were against him when he got there but he wins games. He had an awesome season last year.

                  This year the problems are on all sides of the ball.

                  I guess until Elways son starts for Denver no one there is gonna be happy.
                  I agree with this statement, but I dont go calling Plummer better than Elway just because the fans have bad opinions about him.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chidoze
                    Yea, didnt Elway go to 5 superbowls, won 2 of them, and won something like 17 playoff games? Jake hasnt been to 1 superbowl and won only 2 playoff games (one with AZ, one with Den) if im not mistaken. That's all I'm going to say about this argument.
                    Yeah I guess Peyton Manning sucks too eh
                    SOMEBODY!!! ANYBODY!!!! GIVE ME A MILE HIGH SALUTE!!!!

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Chidoze
                      Yea, didnt Elway go to 5 superbowls, won 2 of them, and won something like 17 playoff games? Jake hasnt been to 1 superbowl and won only 2 playoff games (one with AZ, one with Den) if im not mistaken. That's all I'm going to say about this argument.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by MileHighStud
                        Yeah I guess Peyton Manning sucks too eh
                        What does Peyton Manning have to do with this? :offtopic:
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                        • #13
                          ^he was just being sarcastic I think

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Javalon
                            Oh boy. I'm just going to ask everyone to play nice even though it's going to tick off a lot of people.

                            oh, what's the big deal? elway was only a sure-fire first ballot hall of famer. . . .


                            so jav, did your user title come from the movie serenity?


                            man, where's freakin' cinnamunmunmun when you need an inane thread hijacked??
                            Officially Objectified by the GPA

                            rest in peace, darrent williams and damien nash-- you will be missed!!

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by lancane
                              Yeah Ryan Leaf and Tim Couch won Bowl Games as well, I guess they are better then Farve, Elway and many others too! Do you not realize that playing for big schools do not register into talent? That is a fact, they get more press cause of it, look at Aaron Rodgers! Eli Manning was overhyped cause his brother, there are keys into all of this, a big name school means very little and it has been proven time and time again.

                              Plummer is better then Griese and the rest of the questionable quarterbacks we have started since Elway yes...that does not mean there is not someone better, that the position can not be upgraded by a more talented or sound athlete.

                              Seems like you are a die hard fan, but if you are...then you want all areas of the team to improve and should realize that just cause you like an athlete, does not mean that it is better to start him over someone better, they play the game to compete, to do so you need to upgrade, that is always the key to getting better and winning long term.

                              I don't see how a preseason kid, is going to be an upgrade. The Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Eli Manning , examples could be easliy placed on Cutler.

                              You hope wonder boy pulls a Brady or Romo...and I bet against starting D's he is about as good as Brister. I just really have that gut feeling, that he is another Brister.

                              Good but...8-8 guy maybe a 9-7 in the end.

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