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  • #31
    Re: Re: I have no prob with what you say horseface but...

    Originally posted by horseface
    Trent doesn't call the plays. The running game was inexistent b/c the Chiefs chose to only give Priest 16 carries...that has nothing to do with Trent Green.
    Who said anything about Trent calling the plays? The sitaution the team is in calls for whatever plays the coaches decide. If it's a close game, a balance of running and passing plays will probably be used. If your a head by a lot and it's the second half of the game more running plays will be used to run out the clock or one or two passes deep trying to give out knock out blows will probably be used. Now if your behind by ten or more points in the 4th qt then most of the time the running game is abandoned and the qb will throw more. being that priest holmes was nullified in the cincy game and they weren't kicking to hall, trent had to air it out to bring the chiefs back. That has nothing to do with play calling. trent tried to bring his team back by himself (i give him respect for that) but his best was not enough to win the game. that's what i mean. Favre,brady,Mcnair those qb can win you some games when thier offense is struggling I don't know if trent can. that's what I'm trying to say.
    Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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    • #32
      I definitely had a great feeling about the Snake when I heard about his coming to Denver. He never had the surrounding cast in Arizona, so how could he have showed his true potential. BTW, I heard last year Arizona came to Mile High and the fans were chanting for him, is that true?
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      • #33
        hold on thier sparky.....

        Originally posted by horseface
        he won the GB game for them. Trent did not fail to win this game. The coordianator didn't give Priest the ball enough...The chiefs were up 6-3 after halftime...they weren't behind the entire game. The coaching mistakes made in this game kept trent from being able to bring his team back...that and the fact that the defense didn't come up with the big stop they needed for the first time this year. Favre, Brady, and McNair...they don't play on defense or call the plays...so they couldn't have done anything more than trent did. Your argument holds no water...and it's obvious you're only trying to tear down Trent as he is quickly becoming one of this years best QB's.

        Relax horse face nobody is trying to tear down your boy. first of all this is his first real season on a playoff caliber team. his numbers were good last year but the chiefs were a 500 team at best. second, how many 100 yard games has priest had? Doesnt he has a lot of recieving yards too? Priest doesnt just hurt you running he also hurts you with screens and dumps right? so when in the second half, not the first half ,the second half when the chiefs were down 17-6 would Vermiel need to pass or run? I believe he started to pass more, right? how many yards did trent get in the 4th qt alone? A lot. right? Why? because the chiefs were trying to come back and cincy had stop your running game. That he almost pulled it out is awesome. The fact remains he didn't. oh by the way several turnovers did help you in that Gb game and ahman's cough up in OT wasn't caused by trent so as much as trent had one of his greatest games it was a combination of a lot of things that went right for the chiefs that day. look your right he is one of the better qbs this year no doubt about that but the playoffs are a different animal and that's when you prove what kind of qb your. by all means jake will have to prove that too but i like his chances just as well as you like trents chances.
        Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Chronic_Toker
          I definitely had a great feeling about the Snake when I heard about his coming to Denver. He never had the surrounding cast in Arizona, so how could he have showed his true potential. BTW, I heard last year Arizona came to Mile High and the fans were chanting for him, is that true?
          Yes, that's true. Once Jake signed with the Broncos then he let it be known that when the Denver fans were chanting, "We want Jake!", he was saying inside his head. "Well, I want you."
          Winter is Coming!

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Chronic_Toker
            I definitely had a great feeling about the Snake when I heard about his coming to Denver. He never had the surrounding cast in Arizona, so how could he have showed his true potential. BTW, I heard last year Arizona came to Mile High and the fans were chanting for him, is that true?
            Heh, that last game where the Cardinals got destroyed by the Broncos had me seriously doubting whether or not the Broncos should sign Jake. He sure didn't look good in that game.

            But, as I and others have said before, he was playing for the Cardinals! Many ex-Cardinals have gone on to other teams and looked much better than they did in Arizona. I'm starting to think the Broncos should start focusing on signing players that "haven't lived up to their potential" on teams like Arizona, Detroit, and Chicaco. I used to include Cincy on that list but they look like they're finally turning things around.
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            • #36
              Jake is the cinderella of the year.
              dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

              I tried to warn ya.

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              • #37
                Re: Re: hold on thier sparky.....

                Originally posted by horseface
                so when Trent brings back the Chiefs from a 17 point 4th quarter deficit...a lot of factors came into play...but when Trent can't come back against Cincy...his effort wasn't enough...don't you see the disrecpencies in your statements. You say that McNair and the likes don't come up short...but when Trent doesn't either...everyone else gets the credit. You are making it blatantly obvious that your views are skewed by your hatred of this 9-1 team.
                Look Horseface... Sure we are going to be biased for Denver, afterall this is a Denver Broncos Message board and most of us are Bronco die hard fans...

                That fact aside, bklynbronco makes a very good point. Trent only came back against Green Bay because Ahmed fumbled the ball, there was one questionable no-call of a clip that should have been called on punt return of Dante's that got the ball back up to the 30 or so to get things rolling for Kansas City, and several Green Bay miscues.

                Time will tell the tale if Trent Green can be the quarterback you think he can be. For me, I'm a doubter. He has done well this year I will give you that. Of course I'd rather have Jake, we'll see whose better.
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                • #38
                  Jake and TG both have proven nothing so far. They are both young talented QB's, however history will rate them. To date neither has "played" in a superbowl, or major playoff game. We will rave about Jake, he is and will be a perfect fit for this offense I am sure time will prove this. KC fan will rave about TG and all the good he does for the Chiefs. Like I said earlier let's all meet back at this thread in ten years and then thumb our noses at the other guy.
                  Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work.

                  It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you got to have is faith and discipline when you're not a winner.

                  Vince Lombardi

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by pikman
                    Jake and TG both have proven nothing so far. They are both young talented QB's, however history will rate them. To date neither has "played" in a superbowl, or major playoff game. We will rave about Jake, he is and will be a perfect fit for this offense I am sure time will prove this. KC fan will rave about TG and all the good he does for the Chiefs. Like I said earlier let's all meet back at this thread in ten years and then thumb our noses at the other guy.
                    What i was saying was that you dont need time to tell how good you look. All you have to do is look. plummer's performance has been exceptional (not to say green hasnt been) and i dont need more time to see the same thing.
                    dont let him pull dat move on ya, dont let him pull that move.......................oh no dats da move! TOUCHDOWN!!!

                    I tried to warn ya.

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                    • #40
                      Elway is overrated

                      Dan Marino is better.

                      You guys will start talking about superbowls.

                      Well, Elway won because of Terrel Davis.

                      Even Plummer has great potential with Portis and Shanahan around.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by bcollin1
                        In the end, how good a RB is depends on whether you prefer a power guy like Lewis, or a guy who can make moves and take it to the house on any play, like Portis or LT.

                        There IS no right answer there,
                        Gotta take exception to that statement. You're saying Jerome Bettis is as good a back as Barry Sanders was because I prefer a power back to someone who is shiftier and quicker. How good a running back is can well be determined by stats.
                        Individual commitment to a group effort - that is what makes a team work, a company work, a society work, a civilization work.

                        It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you got to have is faith and discipline when you're not a winner.

                        Vince Lombardi

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                        • #42
                          Stop trash talking

                          bcollin1 & horseface,
                          Why don't both of u have a boxing duel and stop talking?

                          Would be fun for the rest of us while u stop your trash talking!

                          P.S. Barking dogs seldom bite

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                          • #43
                            Re: Re: hold on thier sparky.....

                            Originally posted by horseface
                            so when Trent brings back the Chiefs from a 17 point 4th quarter deficit...a lot of factors came into play...but when Trent can't come back against Cincy...his effort wasn't enough...don't you see the disrecpencies in your statements. You say that McNair and the likes don't come up short...but when Trent doesn't either...everyone else gets the credit. You are making it blatantly obvious that your views are skewed by your hatred of this 9-1 team.
                            before this season started I would have taken Steve McNair,,Brett Favre,,drew bledsoe, and D. Mcnabb before trent green if you want to go there. in the green bay game down 31-21 and the next packer drive results in a tip pass interception for touchdown 31-28. next drive for the packers they punt. yeah that was all trent green he's part of the defense too. No credit to the defense making stops and scoring off of turnovers. Again down by17 and he has to throw the ball so of course the yards are padded. KC has the best offensive line in football so they get no credit either i guess. He can throw for 500 yards but if you don't win how great is he? Understand what i'm saying. KC wins with Priest,special teams and.....and trent green. they won't win just with trent green. all the qb's i picked ahead of trent don't have a complete offense like KC. McNair? what offense? Bett Favre who is his recievers? honestly? Bledsoe travis henry who? is that why they drafted MaGehee? Mcnabb? also no recievers. These QBs do it by themselves. Is trent green a good QB? Yes. Can he win you a game when priest is shut down. I don't think so. Right now at 9-1 everything has gone right for the chiefs. though he tried to make the come back against cincy, is that what he's known for? the comeback. what reputation does trent have? He has to create his own reputation and that's what we have yet to see. Remember last year Rich gannon was gods gift to QB's now he might not even make the raiders. also I'm not involving jake cause he has to prove to denver fans that's he's the real deal also. so i'm not being bias to denver players. we have to see trent accomplish something first before we start labeling people great. we are in a generation of one hit wonders or one year wonders and are quick to name people great before they win anything. The chiefs are either the best team or tied with tenn for the best team in football but i won't give trent the benefit of the doubt for QB can't do it.
                            Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by horseface
                              "What does that mean? That even if trent has 400 yards but priest or hall is not a factor in the game they will lose."

                              This is the statement that I have a problem with. Priest Holmes barely broke 100 all purpose yards against Buffalo (only 83 rushing yards). Dante did not have a return for a TD...and the Chiefs won by 33 points. So your statement above is not a true statement in all cases...it was simply the case one time...against cincy. The chiefs will not lose if Priest or Dante doesn't win it. Trent only had about 275 passing yards in that game...but it was his play and his consistent passing that helped the Chiefs blow out the Bills. The fact is...Trent is just as important right now to this offense as Priest Holmes or Dante Hall. Just read that quote from above again...and tell me you honestly think it's true.
                              Are you into stats or winning? again no credit to the defense.What did drew do in that game. How many turnover's did you guys get in that game? why is so hard for you to understand that I won't give him credit untill the playoffs. second It's a combination of all three,trent, priest and the dante that make the chiefs dangerous. but the defense makes turnover that puts your offense in great positions. All year it's been a combination of defensive turnovers,big plays on offense and special teams that had you undefeated and now you want to say because of the steady poise of trent green the chiefs have been winning. cut it out cause your not convincing me of that, period. just like Rich gannon had a career year last year and he was the man so is trent we'll see what he does in the playoffs. I guess you have green on this immortal pedestal and you want the rest of the nfl to give him respect but it doesn't work that way. If he is all that you say he is come january he'll shine bright in the spotlight.Oh by the way did priest have any TD's in that buffalo game? I believe he did so he was a factor in the game somewhat.
                              Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by horseface
                                Don't believe everything you hear...GB has looked good the last few weeks, and it being played at Lambeau, fairs very well for the Packers. As for the Chiefs, they looked bad last week, but they still have the best record in the NFL with one of the most potent offenses out there. They didn't click on Sunday, but they are a very good team. While their defense is the question mark, they have outscored 9 out of 10 teams so far this year...and that's hard to do. It's great that you have confidence in Jake, but I'd be willing to bet that GB fans have faith in Favre as well. And the KC fans know that Trent Green is looking very solid as well, he had another game of over 300 yards on Sunday with over a 100 qb rating. Believing in your QB won't make your remaing "tough" 3 games any easier.
                                In case all of the posters are wondering this is the horseface post that started our debate. he's boast of green's 300 yard game in a lost. I believe that the chiefs are one of the best teams or is the best team in football as of right now and green is having a great year but it's the playoffs where stars are born. i'll wait till january to to see what he does, that's my whole point. this is his first year leading a playoff team to maybe a superbowl we'll see what he's about. that's all.
                                Last edited by bklynbronco; 11-21-2003, 01:55 PM.
                                Bronco fan 33 years and counting, GO BRONCOS!

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