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  • #46
    no miscommunication

    what comeback? the green bay game? Is that whay your holding on to? turnovers and a stingy d. did not help in that comeback at all? How many times did you guys get good field position because of hall and they kept kicking it out of bounds. are you telling me that priest holmes was not a factor in the comeback? It was all trent green. see this is my problem you want to give him more credit and i want to give him less credit so we are at a impasse. Agree to disagree. but in my opinion and this is my opinion he has to do it the playoffs, that's it. that's the stage manning is at. great season QB but bad playoff QB. He's trying to win one playoff game to get people off his back. trent hasn't got there yet so we'll see.

    P.S. priest holmes touch downs were not a factor because they were inside the five against buffalo. wow. Just by him playing in the game he's a factor. cause you have to stop him no matter what. whether he is on or not you don't know if he could break a long run so the defense still has to play the run because of his reputation. that helps trent too HF.
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    • #47
      Re: Re: Re: Re: hold on thier sparky.....

      Originally posted by horseface
      I never said he did it alone...but Elway never did it by himself either...it's always a team effort to make a big comeback. The D always has to make the stops...the receivers have to get open and make the catches...that's all I'm saying...and you left out the TD to get it to 31-21...it was a 17 point lead they came back from. Either way...I never once said he is a great QB and will be remembered as such. I simply said he was able to lead his team to victory against adversity...and you said he hasn't done it. You must see the discrepancies in the argument you present. You say that John Elway won all of their comebacks with no Defense, no running backs, no receivers...and that just doesn't hold up. This whole argument stems from the fact that I said Trent can lead his team to a big comeback victory...and he did...in Green Bay. Others argue that it shouldn't be that special because the D was in the prevent...of course they were...they were up 17...any comeback begins by moving the ball and scoring against the prevent. As the margin gets closer, the D tightens up though. This same fellow would tell you that it shouldn't count because GB's pass Defense is bad...did John Elway never lead a great comeback against a poor pass D? Of course he did...but you wouldn't take away from the comeback b/c of this...and either would I. Either way...the CHIEFS made a great comeback against the packers...and Trent Green most certainly lead the charge.
      I never brought up john elway so i hope your not talking about me. second 31-21, if that interception didn't happen to make it 31-28( because it happen on the very next drive horseface) the way ahman green was running on the chiefs you don't think he couldn't have wasted some valuable clock so the chiefs wouldn't have had so much time to comeback? That turnover helped trent immensly in his great comeback. if that's his claim to fame for you, so i can say that he led his team through adversity ok one game you got it he's the greatest comebackQB in history.(i'm being sarcastic) but seriously one game doesn't make him a battle tested QB. lets wait and see.
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      • #48
        who is talking about elway

        i have not once in this thread brought up elway. If you talking about the marino vs elway thread that's different but that has nothing to do with this thread.
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        • #49
          since your bringing up elway

          why does elway have the most comeback victories he didn't have dominating teams. he has The Drive horseface, that was all him. 3rd and 18 yards for a first down on the road in cleveland. the snap is bad and he still completes a pass to steve watson for a first down. Vintage elway. all him. don't go there. sammy winder was a thousand yard runner but he was no terrell davis. vance johnson rickey nattiel and mark jackson compared to rod smith, edmac and shannon sharpe. I'll take the latter. he was the whole offense in the 80's.
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          • #50
            this is my last response to this

            I couldn't respond to you cause my work day was done and it was unfortunate that we started this discussion so hot and heavy at the end of the day. I understood everything you pointed out horseface. Because i said he couldn't win a game by himself you got all huffy and puffy about it and you wanted to prove he's good enough to be a factor or why KC won games by bringing up the green bay game. that's all well and good and i eventually gave you that point. But through out all my points you never understood me. he doesn't have a reputation for leading teams from behind, this is honestly his first year leading a playoff caliber team into the playoffs so the inexperience may hurt him in the playoffs. I'm not saying that he can't do it, all I'm saying is that he hasn't done it consistantly so I won't give him that credit yet. That's my whole point. You won't be able to convince me of that. but I did undersatnd what you said. i gave you the point he did help in winning the green bay game. You were so angry with me my points were looked over as being repetitive. All I'm saying that there are qb that have a great year and thier are qb that have great careers and trent is having a great year. nobody knows what the future holds so i hold my opinion of him untill then. No my opinion of him is not negative is just up in the air right now.
            Please don't take this discussion personal, I don't know what happened in the last couple of days but the post have gotten really nasty throught out this board. I really have no prob with you.
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