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  • lvbronx
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post

    Oh my god. One thread you have a guy saying Jeudy would be top 5 receiver with Mahomes as his quarterback, then in another he is "the best route runner" in the NFL. People need to stop treating this guy like he is some elite prospect who you don't see every single year in the draft. Jeudy was a good college receiver who had advanced route-running skills, but a lot of the issues this year were expected based on where his development was and the weaknesses he showed at Alabama.

    Look, this guy was a pick in the mid-teens to late 20's, and projected as a great number 2 option. But this non-sense treating him like he was an elite receiver prospect up there with the likes of Julio Jones, AJ Green, or Calvin Johnson is not true. I get the love from the fans when he was first drafted, he is fast and put together a mean highlight video, but these comments by some are getting downright absurd, and again the expectations far outweigh reality around here.
    So what? I find the compulsion to constantly "correct" other fans to be even more absurd. Not to mention you're creating an argument using incomplete info. Jerry Rice and Tony Gonzales both had serious drop issues early in their careers. You can't judge a player only on his rookie season in a "normal" year let alone this one. Yes, I know, other rookies are playing better but to make a final judgement on Jeudy at this point in time is absurd.

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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post

    That is nothing but fan talk, gotta tell yourself some story to try and feel better though, but that all means nothing. Jefferson was better also in my opinion, an unpopular "hater" opinion apparently at the time.
    Many times we see a positional guy do great on a good team, move on to another for the money, and their performance significantly declines. However, WR is one of those positions that a guy with great hands can still look great on a crappy team. I'm sure there's some difference in performance caused by one guy having Kubes as the offensive mind and the other having Shurmur, but when the ball comes their way, it's pretty much up to them to make the play. I fear Jeudy is little more than speed. When they picked him, I kinda felt like I was watching the Raiders draft. I hope he works out, but right now they overpaid.
    Last edited by DiveInstructor; 12-30-2020, 06:13 AM.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

    I heard kinda the same thing on the radio. They were talking about another rookie WR who is doing well in Minnesota. They said if you flipped that guy for Jeudy, he'd be struggling here and Jeudy would be successful. But, what I don't get is how changing teams helps you clean up a pass-dropping issue you've had throughout college.
    That is nothing but fan talk, gotta tell yourself some story to try and feel better though, but that all means nothing. Jefferson was better also in my opinion, an unpopular "hater" opinion apparently at the time.

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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post

    Oh my god. One thread you have a guy saying Jeudy would be top 5 receiver with Mahomes ...
    I heard kinda the same thing on the radio. They were talking about another rookie WR who is doing well in Minnesota. They said if you flipped that guy for Jeudy, he'd be struggling here and Jeudy would be successful. But, what I don't get is how changing teams helps you clean up a pass-dropping issue you've had throughout college.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by qbronco View Post

    He had five drops in the first 14 games. Then he had 5 drops in 1 game. If you’re familiar with baseball, great pitchers and hitters sometimes just don’t have it for a game or two (sometimes longer). They have the same physical skill, but for unknown reasons lose mental sharpness. Jeudy may be the best route runner in the NFL. I’m not worried about his physical abilities. I will be concerned about his mental focus if he starts stacking games like this last one. I am hopeful it was just an anomaly.
    Oh my god. One thread you have a guy saying Jeudy would be top 5 receiver with Mahomes as his quarterback, then in another he is "the best route runner" in the NFL. People need to stop treating this guy like he is some elite prospect who you don't see every single year in the draft. Jeudy was a good college receiver who had advanced route-running skills, but a lot of the issues this year were expected based on where his development was and the weaknesses he showed at Alabama.

    Look, this guy was a pick in the mid-teens to late 20's, and projected as a great number 2 option. But this non-sense treating him like he was an elite receiver prospect up there with the likes of Julio Jones, AJ Green, or Calvin Johnson is not true. I get the love from the fans when he was first drafted, he is fast and put together a mean highlight video, but these comments by some are getting downright absurd, and again the expectations far outweigh reality around here.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by RockWarrior84 View Post

    Just saw an article written about his drop issue. 12 official drops. It is only bronco wire. He is the most targeted bronco with a 44% completion rate. I want to say that Lock and Jeudy both play into that low completion rate. Jeudy leads the league in drops and passes not caught (I would assume drops plus breakups, and off target throws).

    https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/202...6T8eaWxwrSmW90
    I will say that Lock doesn’t always have a good spiral and that probably plays into it a bit. But yeah I really think Jeudy needs his depth perception checked because his hands never seem to be ready for the pass. Another issue is because Jeudy is such an advanced route runner, he often does a little too much to create separation which makes it incredibly hard to build chemistry with a young QB. That and a lack of strength gets him moved way off his spot at times.

    There was a curl route against the Chargers where it looks like Lock was way off on the pass but I guarantee you Lock put that ball where Jeudy should have been, and Jeudy got moved off his spot due to contact or trying to avoid contact. Also on one of the slants he dropped, he had an incredible release to get away from the press and Lock put it right on him but if you look at his release he jumps like almost 5 yards to his left (maybe an exaggeration)before snapping into his slant. Young QBs aren’t expecting their guy to go that far into the opposite direction of his route and it just creates this timing issue that Lock honestly doesn’t seem to have with his other targets.

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  • Hadez
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    It seems the drop stat needs some work. For the NFL I would think if the ball hits both hands it is a drop. It is hits the finger tips it is not a drop, It really does not matter to me how extended the WR was when it happened...NFL WRs are supposed to be able to extend themselves and catch balls that hit both of their hands

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  • RockWarrior84
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    Yes he may have had 5 drops that went into the stats but what the nfl defines as a drop will differ from most fans. It has to be 100% on the target. For example if a pass gets knocked out of his hands it isn’t a drop or if he to jump or extend for the ball it won’t count as a drop.

    so yes per the nfl he had 5 drops but there were probably about 20 other catchable passes that he didn’t catch.
    Just saw an article written about his drop issue. 12 official drops. It is only bronco wire. He is the most targeted bronco with a 44% completion rate. I want to say that Lock and Jeudy both play into that low completion rate. Jeudy leads the league in drops and passes not caught (I would assume drops plus breakups, and off target throws).

    https://broncoswire.usatoday.com/202...6T8eaWxwrSmW90

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by qbronco View Post

    He had five drops in the first 14 games. Then he had 5 drops in 1 game. If you’re familiar with baseball, great pitchers and hitters sometimes just don’t have it for a game or two (sometimes longer). They have the same physical skill, but for unknown reasons lose mental sharpness. Jeudy may be the best route runner in the NFL. I’m not worried about his physical abilities. I will be concerned about his mental focus if he starts stacking games like this last one. I am hopeful it was just an anomaly.
    Yes he may have had 5 drops that went into the stats but what the nfl defines as a drop will differ from most fans. It has to be 100% on the target. For example if a pass gets knocked out of his hands it isn’t a drop or if he to jump or extend for the ball it won’t count as a drop.

    so yes per the nfl he had 5 drops but there were probably about 20 other catchable passes that he didn’t catch.

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  • qbronco
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    Originally posted by johnlimburg View Post

    In what way? He is too skinny and not very strong, a glaring weakness and projected issue that was always going to exist in the NFL, that is physical. Look at his drops and again the scouting report from his time at Bama, he is not a natural hands catcher, he struggles with it and always has, physical. I think his 2 biggest issues are actually both physical as opposed to mental, I don't even know what you would say his mental issue is ? Inflated opinion of self who thinks he should get more targets than fails to deliver when he does ? Not very clutch ? His drops were at terrible times yesterday which cost the win, so maybe that.
    He had five drops in the first 14 games. Then he had 5 drops in 1 game. If you’re familiar with baseball, great pitchers and hitters sometimes just don’t have it for a game or two (sometimes longer). They have the same physical skill, but for unknown reasons lose mental sharpness. Jeudy may be the best route runner in the NFL. I’m not worried about his physical abilities. I will be concerned about his mental focus if he starts stacking games like this last one. I am hopeful it was just an anomaly.

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  • Hadez
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    Originally posted by listopencil View Post
    I'll continue to rag on him for drops until the issue goes away but the kid can get open at will against all but the best DB's out there as a rookie. That's pretty special and he has shown that he was worth the pick.
    Good point

    When compared against other WRs on the team Jerry has the most yards, 2nd in receptions by 2. Patrick beats him in receptions (49 vs 47) and TD (6 vs 2) but Jerry has the edge on first down catches. Jerry also leads the team on average yards per reception. The big number to me that separates our top two WRs this year...Jerry got his numbers on 106 targets....Patrick got his with 75 targets.

    This whole narrative on Jerry may change if he starts being more reliable with catches.

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  • listopencil
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    I'll continue to rag on him for drops until the issue goes away but the kid can get open at will against all but the best DB's out there as a rookie. That's pretty special and he has shown that he was worth the pick.

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Jeudy has an issue he will likely grill himself about in the offseason. The guy has clear talent and can be very effective...but all of that means nothing if you don't make the catch. He's a rookie so clearly we will see what happens next season and with Sutton on the field as well...but if I was Denver I'd put Jerry in the slot and generally keep him there. We play Hamler in the slot, but I'd much rather see how the offense looks with Sutton and Patrick on the outside and Jerry in the slot. He's a small guy in comparison to most number 2s in the league, so he shouldn't be a number 2.

    Something I noticed in last night's game was that his speed is a double aged sword. He moves so fast that it effects his ability to catch, we saw that in the final drive. He doesn't make that catch and almost hurt himself, mostly because he was moving too fast.

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  • johnlimburg
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    Originally posted by qbronco View Post
    Jeudy’s issues or more mental than physical. In the presser yesterday, he owned up to responsibility and acknowledged that he has to be better. I am curious how he will respond this week?
    In what way? He is too skinny and not very strong, a glaring weakness and projected issue that was always going to exist in the NFL, that is physical. Look at his drops and again the scouting report from his time at Bama, he is not a natural hands catcher, he struggles with it and always has, physical. I think his 2 biggest issues are actually both physical as opposed to mental, I don't even know what you would say his mental issue is ? Inflated opinion of self who thinks he should get more targets than fails to deliver when he does ? Not very clutch ? His drops were at terrible times yesterday which cost the win, so maybe that.

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  • DiveInstructor
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    Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post

    Dude you are talking in circles. Say what you feel.
    How am I talking in circles? Explain.

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