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  • Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post
    I was never big on the guy. His drop issues in college were a concern. Chasing a guy because of his speed smelled too much like Al Davis Raiders. Seemed kinda the diva to me, too. Did you guys see his video poking at Mike Evans' criticism of him? What a whiner. Shut up and speak with your performance.
    It wasn't his speed. It was his route running. And that showed up on the field in games for him as a rookie. The kid gets open. Yes, he had too many drops, but the kid gets open.
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    • Originally posted by listopencil View Post

      It wasn't his speed. It was his route running. And that showed up on the field in games for him as a rookie. The kid gets open. Yes, he had too many drops, but the kid gets open.
      He was 0.7 within the top 40, so his speed was a factor. And, if he doesn't hold on to it, then he's not worth the pick in the 1st. Considering the Broncos record, he wasn't worth it. He's not a consistent game changer Heck, he's arguably lost games.. Also, his blocking absolutely sucks. Better to get a 4th rounder that's hungry for the position than a diva.
      Last edited by DiveInstructor; 02-02-2021, 12:37 AM.

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      • Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

        He was 0.7 within the top 40, so his speed was a factor. And, if he doesn't hold on to it, then he's not worth the pick in the 1st. Considering the Broncos record, he wasn't worth it. He's not a consistent game changer Heck, he's arguably lost games.. Also, his blocking absolutely sucks. Better to get a 4th rounder that's hungry for the position than a diva.
        The consistent thing is that the QB makes the receiver - and Lock does not help.

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        • Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

          He was 0.7 within the top 40, so his speed was a factor. And, if he doesn't hold on to it, then he's not worth the pick in the 1st. Considering the Broncos record, he wasn't worth it. He's not a consistent game changer Heck, he's arguably lost games.. Also, his blocking absolutely sucks. Better to get a 4th rounder that's hungry for the position than a diva.
          I say let's see how how pans out first. I am expecting 1,000 yds next season and 10-12 TD's. That will be more than good enough to justify his mid first round pick

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          • Originally posted by BroncoFanDK View Post

            The consistent thing is that the QB makes the receiver - and Lock does not help.
            So it’s Locks fault that he placed the Ball in Juedys hands at least 10 times that Juedy dropped? Which easily could’ve put Juedy well over 1k his rookie year.

            sometimes y’all try to hard to blame Lock.
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            • Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

              He was 0.7 within the top 40, so his speed was a factor. And, if he doesn't hold on to it, then he's not worth the pick in the 1st. Considering the Broncos record, he wasn't worth it. He's not a consistent game changer Heck, he's arguably lost games.. Also, his blocking absolutely sucks. Better to get a 4th rounder that's hungry for the position than a diva.
              Tyreek Hill wasn’t a game changing WR his rookie year either. He was mainly a massive punt/kick return threat. He developed his route tree later on to become such a dangerous threat today.
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              • Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

                He was 0.7 within the top 40, so his speed was a factor. And, if he doesn't hold on to it, then he's not worth the pick in the 1st. Considering the Broncos record, he wasn't worth it. He's not a consistent game changer Heck, he's arguably lost games.. Also, his blocking absolutely sucks. Better to get a 4th rounder that's hungry for the position than a diva.
                You criticized the team for chasing a guy because of his speed. They didn't do that. They went after a guy because he demonstrated an uncanny ability to get open, and he showed that ability as a rookie. I'll wait until he actually plays beyond his rookie season (paired up with our #1WR) to evaluate the kid.
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                • Originally posted by samparnell View Post

                  Eligible positions are X, Y, Z/40, FB/H-Back/20, RB/TB/30

                  Don't know what the breakdown on personnel packages is, but Denver used 12 personnel quite a bit, maybe the most. When Sutton and Omwuegbunam return, one might expect to see Sutton X, Fant Y, Jeudy Z, Okwuegbunam Y and Gordon RB as the top group. In that lineup, being able to motion Jeudy or Okwuegbunam is valuable IMO.
                  In that package should be Okwuegbunam H.
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                  • Originally posted by DenverBlood View Post

                    So it’s Locks fault that he placed the Ball in Juedys hands at least 10 times that Juedy dropped? Which easily could’ve put Juedy well over 1k his rookie year.

                    sometimes y’all try to hard to blame Lock.
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                    Drew lock finished the season as the 40th ranked QB in terms of throwing catchable passes. In terms of drops, our team finished right near the middle of the pack.

                    One of these is league worst, one of these is average.
                    Who is to blame for the league worst accuracy?



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                    • Originally posted by listopencil View Post

                      You criticized the team for chasing a guy because of his speed. They didn't do that. They went after a guy because he demonstrated an uncanny ability to get open, and he showed that ability as a rookie. I'll wait until he actually plays beyond his rookie season (paired up with our #1WR) to evaluate the kid.
                      Local Denver media has made a couple of points. One is that Jeudy has had a lot of drops, as mentioned. On the other hand they also bring up how often Jeudy got open at the top of his routes. There was also the story about how Miami CB Xavien Howard (who lead the NFL in INTs) told how Jeudy completely turned him around like no other receiver has ever done and was surprised a rookie could do that to him. The next day the Dolphins receivers were all trying to replicate Jeudy's footwork in practice.

                      Jeudy's drops are concerning. However he also has a very special talent that also needs consideration.

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                      • Originally posted by lvbronx View Post

                        Local Denver media has made a couple of points. One is that Jeudy has had a lot of drops, as mentioned. On the other hand they also bring up how often Jeudy got open at the top of his routes. There was also the story about how Miami CB Xavien Howard (who lead the NFL in INTs) told how Jeudy completely turned him around like no other receiver has ever done and was surprised a rookie could do that to him. The next day the Dolphins receivers were all trying to replicate Jeudy's footwork in practice.

                        Jeudy's drops are concerning. However he also has a very special talent that also needs consideration.
                        The local Denver sports media also brings up how Jeudy was treated as our #1 WR by opposing Ds last season. It will be interesting to see how teams play him with Sutton back. This doesn't really affect his drops but it does affect his production.

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                        • Originally posted by lvbronx View Post

                          The local Denver sports media also brings up how Jeudy was treated as our #1 WR by opposing Ds last season. It will be interesting to see how teams play him with Sutton back. This doesn't really affect his drops but it does affect his production.
                          To put it in perspective Jeudy had 17,5% drops in 2020.
                          Eric Decker had 17,99% in 2011 and DT had 13,5% and the following years they were substantially better. Manning tought those two precisely where and when they should be in a spot and that helped tremendously.

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                          • Originally posted by lvbronx View Post

                            Local Denver media has made a couple of points. One is that Jeudy has had a lot of drops, as mentioned. On the other hand they also bring up how often Jeudy got open at the top of his routes. There was also the story about how Miami CB Xavien Howard (who lead the NFL in INTs) told how Jeudy completely turned him around like no other receiver has ever done and was surprised a rookie could do that to him. The next day the Dolphins receivers were all trying to replicate Jeudy's footwork in practice.

                            Jeudy's drops are concerning. However he also has a very special talent that also needs consideration.
                            He's a gifted player with a potential that could be elite. But to reach that elite level is gonna take him learning, which he has time to do. It was his rookie year.
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                            • Originally posted by InsaneBlaze23 View Post

                              He's a gifted player with a potential that could be elite. But to reach that elite level is gonna take him learning, which he has time to do. It was his rookie year.
                              Agree. It looked to me like most of his drops were more mental than physical. I think another year of maturity and learning will do him well. I would love to see Jeudy, Hamler, Sutton, and Fant on the field at the same time.
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                              • Originally posted by atwaterandstir View Post

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                                Drew lock finished the season as the 40th ranked QB in terms of throwing catchable passes. In terms of drops, our team finished right near the middle of the pack.

                                One of these is league worst, one of these is average.
                                Who is to blame for the league worst accuracy?


                                This is precisely the agenda based argument I was calling you out for. In a thread about Juedy you call out Lock for his flaws but when I talk about drops for Juedy you hide his high drop rate amongst the entire wr corps to call to middle of the pack. But I imagine Juedys 17.5% drop rate as mentioned by a follow on poster has to also rate near the worst in the league.

                                I can easily flip this argument on you and mention that if Juedy hadn’t dropped such a high rate Locks rating could’ve easily improved. Sure not to an above average passer. But both his completion % and even multiple tds improve his overall stats without Juedys high drop rate. It works both ways.
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