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  • Broncoyearound
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post

    That's where you lost me.
    Its better than last year can we agree on that? Even Bolles has held up fairly decent.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

    I am sorry however I hated the hire of PS as our OC when he just got fired from the HC position in NY LOL Why get some one else's TRASH??? That is all that PS has been calling is Trash Plays. When the running game is spot on naw lets just ignore it and go to a 3 WR set knowing that we do not even have any WR's and Throw A Bomb with a QB that cannot hit the broadside of barn and you want to dial that up LOL Come On Man !! You may like the Hire of PS I hated it from day 1 and I knew it was a mistake and it is indeed 2-4 should be 0-6 barley beating the Jets LOL and 6 FG's to beat NE LOL All of this comical. You Support him Great I want to see him Fired Even Better Have A Great Day!!
    If you were calling the shots this team would be 0-16 every year until you weren't.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Wow! There's a lot of Bronco fans in this thread on both sides of the "problem-not a problem" fence. It's hard to accurately define what's good and what's bad. Is there actual proof for both which equates to...."It is what it is".

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post

    I see this argument so often and it just doesn't make any sense. The Browns had been bad because they continually made bad decisions, then they tried to overcome them with more bad decisions. Who should've they have kept that would've made them a playoff team sooner? After Romeo Crennel was given 4 seasons and was fired in 2008, here's their list of HCs since:

    Eric Mangini
    Pat Shurmur
    Rob Chudzinski
    Mike Pettine
    Hue Jackson
    Freddie Kitchens

    I ask again, who on that list should they have kept? What about their QBs? Here's their leading passers since 2008 up until Mayfield was drafted:

    Derek Anderson
    Brady Quinn
    Colt McCoy
    Brandon Weedon
    Jason Campbell
    Brian Hoyer
    Josh McCown
    Cody Kessler
    Deshone Kizer

    So, who should they have kept? Who did they give up on too early? None of coaches or QBs have gone on to do anything in the NFL since (other than gone back to be coordinators). They made terrible decisions, that's why they sucked so long. They had to keep switching QBs and coaches because they were all terrible to begin with, sticking with any one of these guys from these lists wouldn't have changed anything.
    And Look who is on that list That is right Pat Shurmur who should be held accountable for this Pathetic Offense.

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  • Broncos-R-Great
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    Originally posted by Megalodon30 View Post
    No, it doesn’t. The teams we’ve lost to are a combined 22-4 and are all legit Super Bowl contenders. Let’s see how we Dow against teams that don’t have Hall of Fame QBs or reigning champions or are undefeated through 6 games.

    We’ve beaten the teams we’re supposed to beat and lost to teams we didn’t really have any business competing with yet anyway. This is a young team. We’ve had three different starting QBs in 6 games. We lost our star players for the season.

    This team will never grow if we just keep hitting the reset button anytime we face a little adversity. Let Lock develop. Let Jeudy develop. Let Chubb develop. Let these guys grow together and learn together. There are a lot of good teams in the NFL and we’ve played half of them this year. We aren’t there yet and we won’t be unless we stay consistent. Otherwise we just end up the Browns.
    I see this argument so often and it just doesn't make any sense. The Browns had been bad because they continually made bad decisions, then they tried to overcome them with more bad decisions. Who should've they have kept that would've made them a playoff team sooner? After Romeo Crennel was given 4 seasons and was fired in 2008, here's their list of HCs since:

    Eric Mangini
    Pat Shurmur
    Rob Chudzinski
    Mike Pettine
    Hue Jackson
    Freddie Kitchens

    I ask again, who on that list should they have kept? What about their QBs? Here's their leading passers since 2008 up until Mayfield was drafted:

    Derek Anderson
    Brady Quinn
    Colt McCoy
    Brandon Weedon
    Jason Campbell
    Brian Hoyer
    Josh McCown
    Cody Kessler
    Deshone Kizer

    So, who should they have kept? Who did they give up on too early? None of coaches or QBs have gone on to do anything in the NFL since (other than gone back to be coordinators). They made terrible decisions, that's why they sucked so long. They had to keep switching QBs and coaches because they were all terrible to begin with, sticking with any one of these guys from these lists wouldn't have changed anything.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by Bates View Post
    So take away a dumb kick off return, a bad pick 6, and whatever that flea flicker mishap was (OC should be fired for that play alone), and this game was a lot closer than it looked.

    If Lock could be more accurate and stop staring down everyone I think this season would be different.

    yea the score was bad but I do think this game was kind of close. We beat ourselves as usual.
    Flea flicker is not a bad play call, but how often does someone overthrow that!? As I said, everything went wrong that could.

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  • BroncosIsLife
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    Originally posted by Bates View Post
    So take away a dumb kick off return, a bad pick 6, and whatever that flea flicker mishap was (OC should be fired for that play alone), and this game was a lot closer than it looked.

    If Lock could be more accurate and stop staring down everyone I think this season would be different.

    yea the score was bad but I do think this game was kind of close. We beat ourselves as usual.
    I hate that argument. You could look at literally any game and be like 'well take away A, if we didn't do B and you take away C, we would have won the game'. Haaaaaaate it.

    You can't look at it like that. Those things happened and we lost. Period.

    Winnable games left on the sched I see as Carolina and Atlanta. Maybe Buffalo depending on which Buffalo team shows up to play.

    Having to play the Saints and Chiefs back to back, man, going from one drubbing to another is going to be brutal.

    I just want them to be smart with whatever draft pick we get and to try and make some moves for the long term future of this team. I have loftier dreams of Elway and Fangio's firings but I know those won't happen so....

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  • Bates
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    So take away a dumb kick off return, a bad pick 6, and whatever that flea flicker mishap was (OC should be fired for that play alone), and this game was a lot closer than it looked.

    If Lock could be more accurate and stop staring down everyone I think this season would be different.

    yea the score was bad but I do think this game was kind of close. We beat ourselves as usual.

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  • Rodrr415
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

    I understand totally that the OC who was was the HC of the NY Giants got fired because let me guess he sucked at his job? The Jokes in NYC was that they just got Shurmured LOL and yet Denver goes on to hire him? Why? There was no reason in the world to hire him however just like getting Falco someone's else's Trash and that he will not be Bad here well I hate to tell you this however have you seen the Offense play this year? Have you seen the ridiculous offensive play calling it is down right offensive to us Fans. 2-4 is 2-4 time to fire and bench a few coaches and Quarterback.
    The problem is that we’ve gone through several coaching changes over the years but the offense continues to be terrible. We keep blaming the HCs and OCs but maybe, just maybe it’s the QB. We’ve gone from Siemian, flacco, Keemun, driskel, Lynch, and now lock. NONE of these guys have gone on to be successful after (except lock for now, of course). I think outside of QB, our offense is the most talented since the manning era, yet we STILL struggle to score. There was a post here saying how drew isn’t taking what the defense gives him and instead is going for the jugular a lot, and that’s what I’ve seen too. He keeps wanting to attack and go deep when it isn’t there Even though we lost Sutton who is our best deep threat. I really want drew to develop and be the guy, but he hasn’t really shown signs of improvement. If anything, I feel like he’s regressed since last season. I’m not a huge fan of Vic but his defense has been solid, and I feel like Pat could have a pretty good offense out there if we had average QB play.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post

    Mike Shula was the OC under Shurmur in NY. Wade Phillips had some unimpressive HC stints that got him fired too but he was better at being a DC, especially for us. Some guys are just meant to be coordinators. Shurmur got the Vikings O into the playoffs and Keenum excelled in that offense --friggin' Keenum! His coordinator resume (which you're still not looking into I see) is what got him hired here. If he had better material to work with, this O would look better, but like I said he needs to do better too. It's his first year here and he walked into a mess. Eliminate rookie mistakes at QB. WR, and C positions with a more competent RT, add a preseason, and this looks totally different.
    I am sorry however I hated the hire of PS as our OC when he just got fired from the HC position in NY LOL Why get some one else's TRASH??? That is all that PS has been calling is Trash Plays. When the running game is spot on naw lets just ignore it and go to a 3 WR set knowing that we do not even have any WR's and Throw A Bomb with a QB that cannot hit the broadside of barn and you want to dial that up LOL Come On Man !! You may like the Hire of PS I hated it from day 1 and I knew it was a mistake and it is indeed 2-4 should be 0-6 barley beating the Jets LOL and 6 FG's to beat NE LOL All of this comical. You Support him Great I want to see him Fired Even Better Have A Great Day!!

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  • Spice 1
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post

    Mike Shula was the OC under Shurmur in NY. Wade Phillips had some unimpressive HC stints that got him fired too but he was better at being a DC, especially for us. Some guys are just meant to be coordinators. Shurmur got the Vikings O into the playoffs and Keenum excelled in that offense --friggin' Keenum! His coordinator resume (which you're still not looking into I see) is what got him hired here. If he had better material to work with, this O would look better, but like I said he needs to do better too. It's his first year here and he walked into a mess. Eliminate rookie mistakes at QB. WR, and C positions with a more competent RT, add a preseason, and this looks totally different.
    Whether or not he was the OC in NY, getting 24 touches with 12 picks out of Daniel Jones is also turning into resume material.

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  • L.M.
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    Originally posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post

    I understand totally that the OC who was was the HC of the NY Giants got fired because let me guess he sucked at his job? The Jokes in NYC was that they just got Shurmured LOL and yet Denver goes on to hire him? Why? There was no reason in the world to hire him however just like getting Falco someone's else's Trash and that he will not be Bad here well I hate to tell you this however have you seen the Offense play this year? Have you seen the ridiculous offensive play calling it is down right offensive to us Fans. 2-4 is 2-4 time to fire and bench a few coaches and Quarterback.
    Mike Shula was the OC under Shurmur in NY. Wade Phillips had some unimpressive HC stints that got him fired too but he was better at being a DC, especially for us. Some guys are just meant to be coordinators. Shurmur got the Vikings O into the playoffs and Keenum excelled in that offense --friggin' Keenum! His coordinator resume (which you're still not looking into I see) is what got him hired here. If he had better material to work with, this O would look better, but like I said he needs to do better too. It's his first year here and he walked into a mess. Eliminate rookie mistakes at QB. WR, and C positions with a more competent RT, add a preseason, and this looks totally different.
    Last edited by L.M.; 10-26-2020, 11:15 AM.

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  • nickmeyer
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    The only change that needs to happen has nothing to do with anyone Coaching or Playing on Sundays. It comes down to how this team is being managed. Until the NFL steps in and forces a change to the ownership make up, we will not have accountability.

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  • CanDB
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    I agree we've played a number of quality teams already. I would argue that beating The Jets was nothing to boast about, and based on what I saw yesterday, The patsies are no longer relevant.

    2 and 4 is not the end of a season. I think we've all had justifiable reasons for sticking up for the boys, due to the injuries and such. But I think that, beginning now, we should not use those things as reasons for losing. We've got many of the guys back. Other teams have injuries too. Lets see what this team is made of going forward.

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  • DENVERSB50CHAMP
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    Originally posted by L.M. View Post

    So because we aren't world beaters and were routed by the world champions and other playoff teams we should fire/bench everyone right now? Your expectations need to be tempered by reality.

    Yesterday was a bad game and everything that could go wrong did go wrong, even a PAT from a usually reliable McManus, but the middle of the season is not the time to make all these changes, and probably not at the end of this one either if we want to reap the benefits of stability and continuity.

    Shurmur was a good OC (his track record speaks for itself if you want to look it up) and that's why he won the HC job --that's a different job, you do realize that, right? With such a young offense full of rookies, key starters going down immediately, and no preseason, yeah it's very hard to implement a whole new offense and expect it to thrive. That said, there is room for improvement in his playcalling too -he has to learn what he's working with.

    Drew hasn't played a full season, he needs at least that much -give him a chance to learn from mistakes. He's got the intangibles we want, just needs to refine his skills -like most rookies- and he basically still is one!

    Patience is what's required and that's never been a strong suit for any fanbase -- "NOW NOW NOW I'm tired of waiting, tired of losing! Blow it all up!"

    I agree about Tom McMahon though and it's a mystery why he was retained after last season when ST sucked last year too. This is his third (and hopefully final) year.
    I understand totally that the OC who was was the HC of the NY Giants got fired because let me guess he sucked at his job? The Jokes in NYC was that they just got Shurmured LOL and yet Denver goes on to hire him? Why? There was no reason in the world to hire him however just like getting Falco someone's else's Trash and that he will not be Bad here well I hate to tell you this however have you seen the Offense play this year? Have you seen the ridiculous offensive play calling it is down right offensive to us Fans. 2-4 is 2-4 time to fire and bench a few coaches and Quarterback.

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