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  • #16
    Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

    agreed. once we find a decent one, we should pay him....
    You got to admit he is playing sooooo much better. There is no way he commands top money with one good season under his belt. This is a great situation for Denver imo, they can offer him a middle of the pack deal and he can't really argue it.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

      You got to admit he is playing sooooo much better. There is no way he commands top money with one good season under his belt. This is a great situation for Denver imo, they can offer him a middle of the pack deal and he can't really argue it.
      middle of the pack deal is about $13M per. Do you think Bolles is worth that?
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      • #18
        Originally posted by broncos SB2010 View Post

        middle of the pack deal is about $13M per. Do you think Bolles is worth that?
        If he finishes this season as strong as he started it then yeah I do. What's the alternative? What FA on the market is going to be there? No team out there are going to let their top talent go and if there is a decent LT available a team like Dallas is going to drive the price a heck of a lot more than 13. Draft a rookie and hope he plays as good?

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        • #19
          Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

          If he finishes this season as strong as he started it then yeah I do. What's the alternative? What FA on the market is going to be there? No team out there are going to let their top talent go and if there is a decent LT available a team like Dallas is going to drive the price a heck of a lot more than 13. Draft a rookie and hope he plays as good?
          there is some truth in there...the options are very limited.
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          • #20
            Originally posted by JvDub95 View Post

            If he finishes this season as strong as he started it then yeah I do. What's the alternative? What FA on the market is going to be there? No team out there are going to let their top talent go and if there is a decent LT available a team like Dallas is going to drive the price a heck of a lot more than 13. Draft a rookie and hope he plays as good?
            I agree. If he plays well through the season then $13 MIL is reasonable for a starting LT.

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            • #21
              Sign him now, even if it’s top 5 money. Two years from now it will be a bargain. Sounds like we have the cap space. He’s is proving that he can grow and learn. He started football late from my understanding and everything might just be clicking for him, mentally and physically. Good for him! That growth and coaching he has received and implemented is great to see! Isn’t that we want as fans? GB Zone baby! Ha!
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shiz View Post
                Sign him now, even if it’s top 5 money. Two years from now it will be a bargain. Sounds like we have the cap space. He’s is proving that he can grow and learn. He started football late from my understanding and everything might just be clicking for him, mentally and physically. Good for him! That growth and coaching he has received and implemented is great to see! Isn’t that we want as fans? GB Zone baby! Ha!
                This is what got us in trouble with James. He has one good year and a few bad years and he gets the highest paid RT contract. And we all are now regretting that. It makes no sense to sign Bolles to a long term deal after 7 real good games but 3 real bad years. He’s turning 29 and will be looking to get his one big pay day. If I’m the Broncos, I am FT at around $15-$16m (which he’d be making if not more if he was dealt a long term deal for top LT money). See if he can duplicate his success. If so, then I’d be more inclined to sign him to a multi year contract, if he signs. The worst thing we can do is invest big money in two spots (LT,RT) where we have no escape for years and they both return to last years form.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Murph2432 View Post

                  This is what got us in trouble with James. He has one good year and a few bad years and he gets the highest paid RT contract. And we all are now regretting that. It makes no sense to sign Bolles to a long term deal after 7 real good games but 3 real bad years. He’s turning 29 and will be looking to get his one big pay day. If I’m the Broncos, I am FT at around $15-$16m (which he’d be making if not more if he was dealt a long term deal for top LT money). See if he can duplicate his success. If so, then I’d be more inclined to sign him to a multi year contract, if he signs. The worst thing we can do is invest big money in two spots (LT,RT) where we have no escape for years and they both return to last years form.
                  Can’t compare Bolles and James. Bolles has never missed a game. James has a reputation as a guy looking for reasons to miss them. And we can’t tie the two contracts together. Each is his own story. Holding Bolles accountable for James’ failure of a signing doesn’t make sense.

                  Bolles has done nothing but accept the boos and work hard to get better. Pay the man. Not arguing that Bolles has had his moments of struggling. But some consistency with coaching and LG has helped.

                  The contract is going to be tricky. Have the Bronco fans boos or Elway’s negotiating tactics soured him on Denver. Because that will be the key. He becomes a FA he will get paid more then the $13 m per being discussed. And a one year FT is not going to make it any better. Hopefully he likes being a Bronco enough that he would sign a 4 yr/ $60 m contract.

                  As mentioned, there are no easy answers. Bolles walks and the Broncos are still overpaying a FA to replace him. JMO but I think any Tackle drafted early is replacing James. Not Bolles.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post

                    Can’t compare Bolles and James. Bolles has never missed a game. James has a reputation as a guy looking for reasons to miss them. And we can’t tie the two contracts together. Each is his own story. Holding Bolles accountable for James’ failure of a signing doesn’t make sense.

                    Bolles has done nothing but accept the boos and work hard to get better. Pay the man. Not arguing that Bolles has had his moments of struggling. But some consistency with coaching and LG has helped.

                    The contract is going to be tricky. Have the Bronco fans boos or Elway’s negotiating tactics soured him on Denver. Because that will be the key. He becomes a FA he will get paid more then the $13 m per being discussed. And a one year FT is not going to make it any better. Hopefully he likes being a Bronco enough that he would sign a 4 yr/ $60 m contract.

                    As mentioned, there are no easy answers. Bolles walks and the Broncos are still overpaying a FA to replace him. JMO but I think any Tackle drafted early is replacing James. Not Bolles.
                    You most certainly can compare the twos contract together. They both are going( James already got) to get top 5 Tackle money based off one good year when having multiple bad/not so good years. Yes you can make the difference that one is soft and looks for reasons to sit out while the other had 3 horrible years prior to this year. But it won’t change the fact that you could be making a huge financial mistake by signing a high risk player to a long term deal. $13m would be a discount especially if he finishes as well as he is playing now(top LT according to PFF). He is turning 29 and is in line for basically one blockbuster contract. You think he’s going to only take $13m to stay with us when he has basically been boo’d and trashed by media and fans? Below are the top 4 LT yearly cost. While Bolles is not getting $22m per year he will be getting around $16m if he hits FA (assuming he continues to play well and stays healthy). So if you’re going to be paying him $16m anyways, why not protect yourself and place the FT for around the same cost? Makes no sense why people want to dive into a long term contract with Bolles so quickly.

                    Laremy Tunsil $22,000,000
                    Anthony Castonzo $16,500,000
                    Taylor Lewan$16,000,000
                    Nate Solder$15,500,000

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                    • #25
                      Understand your point of view. Just don’t agree with it.

                      Stability at OT is necessary for any chance at winning in the coming years.

                      IMO Bolles has improved and been reliable enough to invest in that consistency for the next few years.

                      James is the weak link. Arguably not as bad as Dotson or other options but his inability to be on the field is damning. And unfortunately it is unlikely he can be moved. Because of his contract, the Broncos are stuck with him and his whims for at least the one year if not two. Hopefully he actually earns his paycheck.

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                      • #26
                        Don't we still have the 5th year option available for Bolles?

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by lvbronx View Post
                          Don't we still have the 5th year option available for Bolles?
                          You have to accept or decline then after there third year before there fourth and we declined it.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bozack View Post
                            In the interest of fairness, the way holding is being called this season has a LOT to do with his "improvement".
                            That and the fact that this is a contract year for him. Of course his play is going to improve now.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
                              Understand your point of view. Just don’t agree with it.

                              Stability at OT is necessary for any chance at winning in the coming years.

                              IMO Bolles has improved and been reliable enough to invest in that consistency for the next few years.

                              James is the weak link. Arguably not as bad as Dotson or other options but his inability to be on the field is damning. And unfortunately it is unlikely he can be moved. Because of his contract, the Broncos are stuck with him and his whims for at least the one year if not two. Hopefully he actually earns his paycheck.
                              The real weak link is Wilkinson. He should NEVER see the field again....

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by darryn16 View Post

                                The real weak link is Wilkinson. He should NEVER see the field again....
                                Honestly I would be fine with him seeing the field. But he is not a tackle at the nfl level. He is a guard and from his rookie year he is a pretty good one. But he obviously lacks the athletic abilities to play tackle in this league
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