It does make me wonder though what is going on in our FO that seems to alienate people, that makes it seem like people don't want to be with the Broncos. Is it an excess of ego, is it ineptitude, is it indifference? This, I think, is why we need a real owner, someone who really cares, like Mr. Bowlen did.
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Originally posted by mainBroncos60 View PostIt does make me wonder though what is going on in our FO that seems to alienate people, that makes it seem like people don't want to be with the Broncos. Is it an excess of ego, is it ineptitude, is it indifference? This, I think, is why we need a real owner, someone who really cares, like Mr. Bowlen did.
NFL players are smarter now and they want job security, and they want a consistent coaching staff. Nobody wants to keep relearning playbooks.sigpic
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Originally posted by mainBroncos60 View PostIt does make me wonder though what is going on in our FO that seems to alienate people, that makes it seem like people don't want to be with the Broncos. Is it an excess of ego, is it ineptitude, is it indifference? This, I think, is why we need a real owner, someone who really cares, like Mr. Bowlen did.
It is ego: reportedly agents don’t like Elway’s style of negotiating.
It is ineptitude: the team’s reputation around the league is we are bad and don’t have the building blocks to meaningfully believe a turnaround can happen.
It is indifference: if Ellis cared about, he would fire Elway. Not taking necessary action to right the ship is a sign of resignation from ownership.
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Originally posted by mainBroncos60 View PostIs it just my imagination, or has anyone else noticed that when players, coaches or other staff leave the Broncos organization they do better when they go somewhere else?
As sure a hand as Elway had from 2011-15 - especially 13-15, it seems like he does not understand the metrics of what makes good coaches and QBs. Tebow was not his choice, and they did not understand why it worked, Manning was a no brainer, and neither needed Fox to do much.
Getting rid of Kubiak is one of the most idiotic things both Fangio and Elway have done, thoug Fanigo might not have wanted to have a better HC as his OC.
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Originally posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
I have Zach yes but not kyle.....if they are thats great bc that means they will be willing to trade back get picks and still get a qbSuperbowl 50 Champions!
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Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
I hope that they wouldn't. I dont think trading back to get a mid round QB is a winning strategy. I think Kyle Trask at 10-15 isn't a reach, but I'd be interested to know what you think of him once you go through his play
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Originally posted by ChitownBronco View PostYou can yell fire Elway all you want. Joe Ellis has shown he is pulling most strings and until the ownership issue is resolved things will never change. Ellis will still be defacto owner/GM and hell just hire a yes man to replace Elway and will still be a s*^*tshow.sigpic
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Originally posted by GiddyupGetEm
This isn’t a fairy tale! We have had five straight losing seasons. And there is a human cause. It is the duty of the ownership group to determine that cause. For several years they have glossed over Elway’s failures.
Now Elway’s responsibility for the losing team is undeniable. He must be held accountable.
Don’t buy into childish narratives.
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Amazing that the Broncos appeared in 2 Super Bowls, winning one under this same ownership/GM.
Elway's/Broncos last 3 drafts have been good drafts, maybe the biggest mistake was Yiadom, probably was not deserving of a 3rd round pick. Most of the high picks have been relatively successful so far.
I do think Elway/Broncos needs to have a good, winning season in 2021 if Elway wants to continue as GM. Same for Fangio.
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Originally posted by brianmcfarlane View PostAmazing that the Broncos appeared in 2 Super Bowls, winning one under this same ownership/GM.
Elway's/Broncos last 3 drafts have been good drafts, maybe the biggest mistake was Yiadom, probably was not deserving of a 3rd round pick. Most of the high picks have been relatively successful so far.
I do think Elway/Broncos needs to have a good, winning season in 2021 if Elway wants to continue as GM. Same for Fangio.
Since then, over the last three years, Sutton is the only early round pick I feel has met or exceeded expectation. Jeudy is looking good, and I am excited to see where he will be in years to come, but you can't give a grade until after the first season I think. But Chubb has not lived up to 5th overall expectation. Fant has not lived up to first round expectation. Risner regressed this year. Lock definitely is not a success.
Granted, recent drafts have still been better than 2017 and earlier, but they still aren't solidifying a positive direction for the team.
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Originally posted by Megalodon30
Well said. I’m not faulting this year on Elway. It’s been a fluky year all around. It isn’t Elway’s fault half the team is on IR. It isn’t Elway’s fault there was basically no offseason. It isn’t Elway’s fault that young pieces take time to develop.
He’s brought in a lot of good, young pieces on offense. I will say he picked the worst time to bring in a new offensive coordinator. Lock was looking pretty confident at the end of last season and we scrapped that for a whole new offense in a shortened offseason. I gotta see what the offense looks like next year after a whole season and hopefully a full offseason before I jump off the Shurmur-Lock train.
Shurmur is a decent offensive mind. Lock has shown flashes. This offense will look better when it gets Sutton back. As long as the front office doesn’t get as impatient as the fan base is, we should get to see these young guys blossom into something with great potential.
If we move on from Elway, there’s a good chance whoever comes in next blows the whole thing up and we’re starting right from scratch again which could mean another 2-3 years of very mediocre Broncos football. I for one do not want to see more rebuilding.Superbowl 50 Champions!
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Originally posted by TheAsianPA View Post
I guess it isn't Elways fault for Joe Flacco, Case Keenum, Paxton Lynch, Trevor Siemian, Vance Joseph either. Or the previous 3 losing seasons. We are looking at another 2 to 3 seasons of mediocre football if we keep Ellis and Elway around. What have they proven from 2016 onward? At any rate, if 2021 is not a winning season i don't see how you keep on Elway
A defensive head coach had Lynch and Keenum as his QB's with 27th and 28th ranked offenses. If anyone expected success they are fooling themselves. Vance was the scapegoat by the fans. He wasn't the problem.
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