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  • Cutler had 7 wins his first full season and showed way more flashes of greatness compared to Lock.

    2008 Cutler went 8-8. That should have been a 10-6 season. We all remember the phantom holding call on B Marshall against the pack on MNF and the end zone drop by Stokely.

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    • I think losing Sutton was a bad thing for Andy this year

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      • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

        It’s no more tired than the Drew Lock/Jay Cutler comparison that was only brought up because they both played for bad SEC teams and were getting a lot of draft hype. I also think it’d be more accurate to say he has Jay Cutler’s ceiling rather than his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

        You can make comparisons all day whether good or bad, but at the end of the day Drew Lock is Drew Lock, not Jay Cutler, not Josh Allen, not John Elway, etc.
        No the reason to bring up Jay Cutler is that there is no none that is in doubt that Cutler was supremely physically gifted and in spite of that was never more than mediocre, and he like Jeff George is a prime example of what makes people fail in the NFL in spite of talent. Cutler and Tebow were as polar opposite as you could be and if we combined top 25% of Cutler and top 25% of Tebow we would have one of the best QBs ever. Cutler's physical talent was quite close to Elway, but the effect of their personalities - and the management of Elway under Reeves stopped Elway from follow the Cutler route and what made him one of the best ever was that he combined what most of us loved about Cutler and loved about Tebow.

        The reason to compare Lock's best to a mediocre QB that we all know is to tell the people that keep telling us that Lock is the future if you just look at pass #3 and #8 and ignore the Int thrown in between. The thing is that most of us think that at best Lock will be bad to mediocre because he resembles Cutler in attitude but not in physical talent.

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        • Originally posted by BroncoFanDK View Post

          No the reason to bring up Jay Cutler is that there is no none that is in doubt that Cutler was supremely physically gifted and in spite of that was never more than mediocre, and he like Jeff George is a prime example of what makes people fail in the NFL in spite of talent. Cutler and Tebow were as polar opposite as you could be and if we combined top 25% of Cutler and top 25% of Tebow we would have one of the best QBs ever. Cutler's physical talent was quite close to Elway, but the effect of their personalities - and the management of Elway under Reeves stopped Elway from follow the Cutler route and what made him one of the best ever was that he combined what most of us loved about Cutler and loved about Tebow.

          The reason to compare Lock's best to a mediocre QB that we all know is to tell the people that keep telling us that Lock is the future if you just look at pass #3 and #8 and ignore the Int thrown in between. The thing is that most of us think that at best Lock will be bad to mediocre because he resembles Cutler in attitude but not in physical talent.
          Lock and Cutler are polar opposites attitude wise. Lock wears his heart on his sleeve, Cutler never seemed to care about anything. The comparison stops at their physical attributes and similar college situations.

          The problem Cutler had was that he always thought he could fit the ball in. He didn’t anticipate, he just tried to rifle it when he saw windows but because he held the ball so low it mitigated the benefits of his arm strength. Lock does that to an extent but down the stretch you could see a concerted effort not to do that. He still slipped up every now and then especially on the run but that’s apart of the growing process.

          Lock may not pan out but it won’t be for the same reasons Cutler did. Lock’s issues stem more from his footwork than anything else. As he continues to figure out how to read and attack defense and gains comfort in the scheme as well as taking the extra half step out of his drop he’ll be fine. Right now that extra hitch is what kills him more than anything because it gives the defense a second longer to read and react. But in those last few games he went from throwing it anyway despite being late (Bills game, dropped INTs) to scrambling and trying to make something out of nothing (Chargers game, INT) to taking out that half step and looking like an actual QB you can develop in the Raiders game.

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          • Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

            Lock and Cutler are polar opposites attitude wise. Lock wears his heart on his sleeve, Cutler never seemed to care about anything. .
            I totally disagree!

            Both Cutler and Lock likes/liked to be the hero and showboat. They are both alof when things don't go well and like to dance or talk trash when things go well.
            We have seen plenty of bad play from Lock, but we have not seen that teams get into his head like Chargers managed with Cutler.

            Lock is Cutler without the hope that he can put it together and win us a SB.

            Lock really do not seem to anticipate how the play develops and unlike someone like Manning that dictated to the defense, it does not seem like routes and timing is developed at all. Siemian seemed to have the sparts to play at a higher level - but not the body. Lock does not seem to have the smarts!

            Last edited by BroncoFanDK; 01-15-2021, 11:46 AM.

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            • The only think Lock and Cutler have in common is they both love to throw the ball off their back foot!!!!

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              • Originally posted by rst08tierney View Post
                The only think Lock and Cutler have in common is they both love to throw the ball off their back foot!!!!
                You forgot to add 'and to the other team' in that sentence

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                • Not seeing the Cutler/Lock comparison at all other than arm strength. Cutler was aloof, uninterested, not liked by teammates, Lock is the exact opposite. Serious question: Is the Lock conversation any different if Vic understands clock management and Jeudy can catch?

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                  • Originally posted by Ltsft View Post
                    Not seeing the Cutler/Lock comparison at all other than arm strength. Cutler was aloof, uninterested, not liked by teammates, Lock is the exact opposite. Serious question: Is the Lock conversation any different if Vic understands clock management and Jeudy can catch?
                    I think both quarterbacks were physically gifted from the neck down and seriously flawed from the neck up.
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                    • Originally posted by Ltsft View Post
                      Not seeing the Cutler/Lock comparison at all other than arm strength. Cutler was aloof, uninterested, not liked by teammates, Lock is the exact opposite. Serious question: Is the Lock conversation any different if Vic understands clock management and Jeudy can catch?
                      He had the same number of drops as Davante Adams until the disastrous Chargers game. So no the conversation doesn't change, but the outcome doesn't really change.

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                      • Originally posted by InsaneBlaze23 View Post
                        He had the same number of drops as Davante Adams until the disastrous Chargers game. So no the conversation doesn't change, but the outcome doesn't really change.
                        That is such a weak argument. Until he had the worst game ever he was only terrible about drops and a guy with a million targets had some too so its ok. Lol. I watched almost every GB game and i don't ever remember thinking that Adams single-handedly lost a game for them, much less two.

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                        • At least now we know the Allen hype is fake. Dude is not a clutch QB.
                          Eternal Broncos Optimist

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                          • Originally posted by Megalodon30 View Post
                            At least now we know the Allen hype is fake. Dude is not a clutch QB.
                            Not false at all..... Mahomes and the Chiefs are just that dominant.

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                            • Originally posted by Bronco51 View Post

                              Not false at all..... Mahomes and the Chiefs are just that dominant.
                              Time will tell. I’m still not buying Allen as a legit franchise QB yet. At best he could be the next Philip Rivers. Lots of pretty stats, maybe a conference championship or 2, but nothing else to show for it.
                              Eternal Broncos Optimist

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                              • Originally posted by Megalodon30 View Post

                                Time will tell. I’m still not buying Allen as a legit franchise QB yet. At best he could be the next Philip Rivers. Lots of pretty stats, maybe a conference championship or 2, but nothing else to show for it.
                                Rivers was responsible for all the team blunders and missed field goals?

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