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  • Bronco51
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    Originally posted by rst08tierney View Post
    The only think Lock and Cutler have in common is they both love to throw the ball off their back foot!!!!
    You forgot to add 'and to the other team' in that sentence

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  • rst08tierney
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    The only think Lock and Cutler have in common is they both love to throw the ball off their back foot!!!!

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  • BroncoFanDK
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    Lock and Cutler are polar opposites attitude wise. Lock wears his heart on his sleeve, Cutler never seemed to care about anything. .
    I totally disagree!

    Both Cutler and Lock likes/liked to be the hero and showboat. They are both alof when things don't go well and like to dance or talk trash when things go well.
    We have seen plenty of bad play from Lock, but we have not seen that teams get into his head like Chargers managed with Cutler.

    Lock is Cutler without the hope that he can put it together and win us a SB.

    Lock really do not seem to anticipate how the play develops and unlike someone like Manning that dictated to the defense, it does not seem like routes and timing is developed at all. Siemian seemed to have the sparts to play at a higher level - but not the body. Lock does not seem to have the smarts!

    Last edited by BroncoFanDK; Yesterday, 12:46 PM.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by BroncoFanDK View Post

    No the reason to bring up Jay Cutler is that there is no none that is in doubt that Cutler was supremely physically gifted and in spite of that was never more than mediocre, and he like Jeff George is a prime example of what makes people fail in the NFL in spite of talent. Cutler and Tebow were as polar opposite as you could be and if we combined top 25% of Cutler and top 25% of Tebow we would have one of the best QBs ever. Cutler's physical talent was quite close to Elway, but the effect of their personalities - and the management of Elway under Reeves stopped Elway from follow the Cutler route and what made him one of the best ever was that he combined what most of us loved about Cutler and loved about Tebow.

    The reason to compare Lock's best to a mediocre QB that we all know is to tell the people that keep telling us that Lock is the future if you just look at pass #3 and #8 and ignore the Int thrown in between. The thing is that most of us think that at best Lock will be bad to mediocre because he resembles Cutler in attitude but not in physical talent.
    Lock and Cutler are polar opposites attitude wise. Lock wears his heart on his sleeve, Cutler never seemed to care about anything. The comparison stops at their physical attributes and similar college situations.

    The problem Cutler had was that he always thought he could fit the ball in. He didn’t anticipate, he just tried to rifle it when he saw windows but because he held the ball so low it mitigated the benefits of his arm strength. Lock does that to an extent but down the stretch you could see a concerted effort not to do that. He still slipped up every now and then especially on the run but that’s apart of the growing process.

    Lock may not pan out but it won’t be for the same reasons Cutler did. Lock’s issues stem more from his footwork than anything else. As he continues to figure out how to read and attack defense and gains comfort in the scheme as well as taking the extra half step out of his drop he’ll be fine. Right now that extra hitch is what kills him more than anything because it gives the defense a second longer to read and react. But in those last few games he went from throwing it anyway despite being late (Bills game, dropped INTs) to scrambling and trying to make something out of nothing (Chargers game, INT) to taking out that half step and looking like an actual QB you can develop in the Raiders game.

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  • BroncoFanDK
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    It’s no more tired than the Drew Lock/Jay Cutler comparison that was only brought up because they both played for bad SEC teams and were getting a lot of draft hype. I also think it’d be more accurate to say he has Jay Cutler’s ceiling rather than his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

    You can make comparisons all day whether good or bad, but at the end of the day Drew Lock is Drew Lock, not Jay Cutler, not Josh Allen, not John Elway, etc.
    No the reason to bring up Jay Cutler is that there is no none that is in doubt that Cutler was supremely physically gifted and in spite of that was never more than mediocre, and he like Jeff George is a prime example of what makes people fail in the NFL in spite of talent. Cutler and Tebow were as polar opposite as you could be and if we combined top 25% of Cutler and top 25% of Tebow we would have one of the best QBs ever. Cutler's physical talent was quite close to Elway, but the effect of their personalities - and the management of Elway under Reeves stopped Elway from follow the Cutler route and what made him one of the best ever was that he combined what most of us loved about Cutler and loved about Tebow.

    The reason to compare Lock's best to a mediocre QB that we all know is to tell the people that keep telling us that Lock is the future if you just look at pass #3 and #8 and ignore the Int thrown in between. The thing is that most of us think that at best Lock will be bad to mediocre because he resembles Cutler in attitude but not in physical talent.

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  • Capt. Jack
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    I think losing Sutton was a bad thing for Andy this year

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  • rst08tierney
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    Cutler had 7 wins his first full season and showed way more flashes of greatness compared to Lock.

    2008 Cutler went 8-8. That should have been a 10-6 season. We all remember the phantom holding call on B Marshall against the pack on MNF and the end zone drop by Stokely.

    https://youtu.be/cj_rZcalJL0

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  • Capt. Jack
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    So,,,,
    I guess "Andy" or "Pauly" works also?

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    Oh there have been some who have said Rypien would be better. But I think the “pro Lock” people only start comparing him to others because everyone likes to say COVID and the lack of reps in a new offense is just an excuse. But really, just because Burrow or Herbert or whoever came in and looked better under similar circumstances, it doesn’t mean Lock won’t improve with another year in the system with more reps.

    And really if we can’t get Watson or Prescott (should Jerry Jones reverse course) then we might as well stay with Lock. Lawrence isn’t dropping, Fields probably won’t drop, at least not low enough. Wilson probably needs a year or two before he starts playing at a high level. Lance is a project, Jones isn’t a good fit for Shurmur. Stafford and Wentz is just going to extend this game of kick the can.

    Now I will say Darnold would be interesting. He’s struggled but he’s had next to nothing to work with in New York and has still managed to somehow show enough to probably get a 2nd chance immediately.
    Watson
    Wilson
    Darnold
    Those are my 3 wish list QBs, if we couldn't get either of them, then I'd just settle with Lock and pray he does improve. I've defended Lock and taking shots at him. I'd love for him to be the guy, bc I like Lock, but I love the Broncos. lol So if someone I think is better for the job is in reach, I'd rather we go that route.

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  • Ear2dastreets
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    It’s no more tired than the Drew Lock/Jay Cutler comparison that was only brought up because they both played for bad SEC teams and were getting a lot of draft hype. I also think it’d be more accurate to say he has Jay Cutler’s ceiling rather than his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

    You can make comparisons all day whether good or bad, but at the end of the day Drew Lock is Drew Lock, not Jay Cutler, not Josh Allen, not John Elway, etc.
    I agree you know I HATE qb comparison......to qb that are already in the nfl. Makes no sense.

    People are saying Josh Allen 3 years to prove their point...he can go the other way....if Allen sucked this year people would try to distance lock as far as possible from allen.

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by Capt. Jack View Post
    I was looking at his stats online and his real name is Paul Andrew Lock. Has​​​there ever been a good quarterback named Paul in the NFL?
    Wikipedia says his name is Andrew Stephen Lock.

    Edit: Paul is his dad’s given name

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  • beastlyskronk
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    Originally posted by InsaneBlaze23 View Post

    When I say his ceiling is Cutler, I'm quoting a draft profile I read. I fall along the side, you should only compare QBs on eye test viewing, not stat digging. Stats dont tell a full story of a player, especially since some stats, especially on the defensive side of the ball, don't get talked about for how good a player is or isn't.

    But because everyone here falls on one side, either pro Lock or anti Lock, comparisons to stats get brought. People have even started bringing up Drew Brees. Like we're going decades into the past to compare bc a reason to put faith in lock is needed, no matter how big a reach it is.
    I'm surprised on the anti Lock front, nobody has said Tom Brandstater or Ingle Martin would be better starters.
    Oh there have been some who have said Rypien would be better. But I think the “pro Lock” people only start comparing him to others because everyone likes to say COVID and the lack of reps in a new offense is just an excuse. But really, just because Burrow or Herbert or whoever came in and looked better under similar circumstances, it doesn’t mean Lock won’t improve with another year in the system with more reps.

    And really if we can’t get Watson or Prescott (should Jerry Jones reverse course) then we might as well stay with Lock. Lawrence isn’t dropping, Fields probably won’t drop, at least not low enough. Wilson probably needs a year or two before he starts playing at a high level. Lance is a project, Jones isn’t a good fit for Shurmur. Stafford and Wentz is just going to extend this game of kick the can.

    Now I will say Darnold would be interesting. He’s struggled but he’s had next to nothing to work with in New York and has still managed to somehow show enough to probably get a 2nd chance immediately.

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  • Capt. Jack
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    I was looking at his stats online and his real name is Paul Andrew Lock. Has​​​there ever been a good quarterback named Paul in the NFL?

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  • InsaneBlaze23
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    It’s no more tired than the Drew Lock/Jay Cutler comparison that was only brought up because they both played for bad SEC teams and were getting a lot of draft hype. I also think it’d be more accurate to say he has Jay Cutler’s ceiling rather than his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

    You can make comparisons all day whether good or bad, but at the end of the day Drew Lock is Drew Lock, not Jay Cutler, not Josh Allen, not John Elway, etc.
    When I say his ceiling is Cutler, I'm quoting a draft profile I read. I fall along the side, you should only compare QBs on eye test viewing, not stat digging. Stats dont tell a full story of a player, especially since some stats, especially on the defensive side of the ball, don't get talked about for how good a player is or isn't.

    But because everyone here falls on one side, either pro Lock or anti Lock, comparisons to stats get brought. People have even started bringing up Drew Brees. Like we're going decades into the past to compare bc a reason to put faith in lock is needed, no matter how big a reach it is.
    I'm surprised on the anti Lock front, nobody has said Tom Brandstater or Ingle Martin would be better starters.

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  • Oxygen Bandit
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    Originally posted by beastlyskronk View Post

    It’s no more tired than the Drew Lock/Jay Cutler comparison that was only brought up because they both played for bad SEC teams and were getting a lot of draft hype. I also think it’d be more accurate to say he has Jay Cutler’s ceiling rather than his ceiling is Jay Cutler.

    You can make comparisons all day whether good or bad, but at the end of the day Drew Lock is Drew Lock, not Jay Cutler, not Josh Allen, not John Elway, etc.
    Exactly. Bottom line is if he plays as poorly next year he's gone hopefully. No sense in comparing QB's as they all have their own work ethic and progress differently.

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