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  • #46
    Originally posted by Hadez View Post

    it is why it is always better to allow things to play out before jumping to conclusions.

    Innocent until proven otherwise in the USA
    Thank goodness we STILL have this in America....but in some ways, were losing it outside courts of law.
    Utah Bronco Freak

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Hadez View Post

      it is why it is always better to allow things to play out before jumping to conclusions.

      Innocent until proven otherwise in the USA
      The problem that seems to be a part of today's culture and social media is the court of public opinion, which though sometimes in error, is often punishing.
      Last edited by CanDB; 03-05-2021, 05:41 PM.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

        Thank goodness we STILL have this in America....but in some ways, were losing it outside courts of law.
        Originally posted by CanDB View Post

        The problem that seems to be a part of today's culture and social media is the court of public opinion, which though sometimes in error, is often punishing.
        There will always be someone wanting to spread some form of an opinion....the internet allows just about every opinion to reach the masses.

        We can only control what we do.

        Guess we can also control what "news" we choose to further in our communications.
        Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Hadez View Post



          There will always be someone wanting to spread some form of an opinion....the internet allows just about every opinion to reach the masses.

          We can only control what we do.

          Guess we can also control what "news" we choose to further in our communications.
          My point is more about the fact that even innocence nowadays is not a safe thing, given how ridiculous the "uninformed" can be, and there are plenty of them. The fact that people who fail to educate themselves with the facts, or to think with an open mind, have so much impact. The fact that some goofus can start a nonsense movement and have instant followers. Not a good way to function.

          And in cases where people are involved, rightfully or not, in a public situation, the fact that the innocent party may end up with a forever tarnished reputation, and even be a target of the group who are in the wrong, is seemingly a more prevalent aspect of this society.

          You were correct, innocent until proven guilty, but that's usually what happens in the legal courtrooms...not always outside.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

            Thank goodness we STILL have this in America....but in some ways, were losing it outside courts of law.
            I missed this post...I think we are saying the same thing.

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            • #51
              Innocent, but his reputation is still damaged. Reality is he'll always have a cloud hanging over him because of this type of accusation. Once accused of this specific charge, there are still some who will hold it against him. What they should do is hold the false accuser accountable and charge them.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post
                Innocent, but his reputation is still damaged. Reality is he'll always have a cloud hanging over him because of this type of accusation. Once accused of this specific charge, there are still some who will hold it against him. What they should do is hold the false accuser accountable and charge them.
                No one knows who the accuser is since it doesn’t appear to be the baby mama.

                We also don’t know that the accusation was false.

                No charges does not equal innocent.

                Von will likely get a pass for this one, perhaps rightfully so.
                My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                You Mad Bro?
                Don’t Be A Mean Girl

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                  No one knows who the accuser is since it doesn’t appear to be the baby mama.

                  We also don’t know that the accusation was false.

                  No charges does not equal innocent.

                  Von will likely get a pass for this one, perhaps rightfully so.
                  Perhaps? Uh, he was never charged after an intensive investigation over a period of months and where the police department released private, sensitive information where they normally wouldn't.

                  I'll correct my statement: Both the accuser and the police department personnel responsible for publicly harming his reputation should be held accountable, charged, publicly exposed, and punished to the maximum bounds of the law.

                  I'm tired of this garbage. Any idiot can jump on board the public sympathy bandwagon and hang someone just by accusing them of something.

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post
                    Innocent, but his reputation is still damaged. Reality is he'll always have a cloud hanging over him because of this type of accusation. Once accused of this specific charge, there are still some who will hold it against him. What they should do is hold the false accuser accountable and charge them.
                    Ray Lewis bounced back from much worse

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                    • #55
                      https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...-lb-von-miller

                      There is no mention by the DA office, at least in this article, that charges weren’t filed because Von was proven innocent by the investigation.

                      The decision was based on “information available at this time”.

                      Some people in this thread come dangerously close to displaying the attitude that makes it difficult for women to report domestic violence and sexual assault.

                      Just because he’s a star athlete on the team you like doesn’t mean he’s innocent.

                      I lean toward Von being innocent in this case because the woman involved doesn’t appear to be the accuser so it could have been an observer who simply misinterpreted something. That doesn’t mean that person should be charged with a crime.
                      My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                      You Mad Bro?
                      Don’t Be A Mean Girl

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

                        Perhaps? Uh, he was never charged after an intensive investigation over a period of months and where the police department released private, sensitive information where they normally wouldn't.

                        I'll correct my statement: Both the accuser and the police department personnel responsible for publicly harming his reputation should be held accountable, charged, publicly exposed, and punished to the maximum bounds of the law.

                        I'm tired of this garbage. Any idiot can jump on board the public sympathy bandwagon and hang someone just by accusing them of something.
                        I read on the internet that most people that take up SCUBA diving do it to overcome their fear of water. I believe it's called "hydrophobia.

                        I also read people who hates snakes, ophidiophobia, they decide to lay down in a pit as tons of snakes are released into the pit to overcome their fear of snakes. Weird!

                        AND, obviously DI you realize I made this "garbage" up. So many people now days will believe anything no matter how ridiculous and stupid it seems.

                        Now back to Von. Based on the remarks stated by prosecutors is basically, nothing to see here, case closed. I for one believe that's accurate and everyone should move on.

                        However, all domestic violence situations should be investigated with fairness and transparency for all involved.
                        Utah Bronco Freak

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post

                          Perhaps? Uh, he was never charged after an intensive investigation over a period of months and where the police department released private, sensitive information where they normally wouldn't.

                          I'll correct my statement: Both the accuser and the police department personnel responsible for publicly harming his reputation should be held accountable, charged, publicly exposed, and punished to the maximum bounds of the law.

                          I'm tired of this garbage. Any idiot can jump on board the public sympathy bandwagon and hang someone just by accusing them of something.
                          I have not read enough to understand the entire consequences of this case, so I will be careful how I make my point. One can be jumped on harshly, even if misinterpreted here. Our hope as a society is that justice is served. That guilty parties are ruled as such, and disciplined however the judicial process deems sufficient. That innocent parties are cleared, and such that they should be relieved of any contrary belief. That in some cases, there may be wrongdoing on both sides, and that too must be fairly dealt with. And sometimes the situation may even come down to a basic misunderstanding.

                          But as to the bolded point...I do think there should be consequential penalties for those who cry wolf, and may knowingly cause that person/group to be unfairly judged and mistreated by the public. Perhaps threatened, even harmed in the process. The "cry wolf" side of such cases, where a life can be ruined forever over a lie. In sports they finally began to call penalties (not as far back as they should have) on those who faked an infraction against them (ie. diving), which though much less important in this big world we live, sent a message that you can not get away with this behaviour without knowing that you can be punished as well. So I believe strongly that if someone wrongly accuses another for a crime of some sort, there must be a serious disciplinary response that can be administered, and have a fairly extensive set of rules that can be applied...pending the severity of the infraction, and how much damage it has caused the innocent party.

                          Last edited by CanDB; 03-06-2021, 09:17 AM.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by DiveInstructor View Post
                            Innocent, but his reputation is still damaged. Reality is he'll always have a cloud hanging over him because of this type of accusation. Once accused of this specific charge, there are still some who will hold it against him. What they should do is hold the false accuser accountable and charge them.
                            Not for me. Not for others I talk to in real life. I think most of the people in my circles believe in due process.

                            There are some who had a negative opinion on Von before this even came out and I am sure this allowed them to add to their already existing negative opinion of him.
                            Time to build on the win and grow the team from some solid play higher level of play

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                              No one knows who the accuser is since it doesn’t appear to be the baby mama.

                              We also don’t know that the accusation was false.

                              No charges does not equal innocent.

                              Von will likely get a pass for this one, perhaps rightfully so.
                              To my knowledge, only prosecutors who have jurisdiction may file criminal charges. In the event they are, the defendant is required to make a plea. In some cases a not guilty plea results in a jury trial where the verdict is either guilty or not guilty on the charge(s) Von Miller has had no charges filed against him, so innocent or guilty do not apply to him until such time as he is charged/indicted and tried.

                              Von may be exposed to a civil complaint, but his level of exposure is only known to the parties involved.

                              As usual, the league may choose to punish based on some reason they feel capable of justifying. Hard to say, since their record on these cases doesn't seem to follow a discernible train of logic.
                              "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                              • #60
                                Hey this is very positive new. Von now holds more trade value!

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