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  • CanDB
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    Not that you folks need another calendar tool (as in "me"), but this time a week from now we will be much closer to understanding the roster and some of the direction we are going in '21 and beyond. Two nights will have passed, resulting in 3 rounds of drafting, and a portion already of rounds 4-7.

    So many dynamics in play:

    - Did we draft a QB in round one, which to me says, "that's our long term guy". That's not so bad if Lock steps up his game, because trade value will grow. Conversely, if both he and a new QB look the part, but Lock impresses more, the draftee might be worth a lot on the trade market.
    - Did we go non QB in the first two nights? Which would translate to Lock being the guy for '21, while we stock up on other positional talent. And yes, there's always '22 to go 100% in on a new QB. Like to end the drought personally, sooner than later. But it's the way of the football world, there's always next year.
    - Did we draft a tier 2 QB? I'm good with that, if we really like one of them. Allows us to select quality non QBs in the key early picks and then add that layer of competitiveness at the QB position. Not a bad situation. And think of the value of selecting your long term QB past the 2nd round. Besides, if the QB is a decent backup, that's not a wasted pick.
    - Did we make any sizable trades? Of course that may pertain to a QB, but what if we covet a player and go get them? Or better yet from my perspective, what if a desperate team wants to give a load of draft capital to move up? I tend to love that possibility because you can do so much damage with multiple early rounders, or even package various picks (using the additional ones traded for) to go get a stud. That fits perfectly when there a few players you love in the early rounds, and you can maneuver to acquire them.
    - Did we play it relatively safe throughout? If that translates to wise choices, and good value per pick, that's always a good plan. It may not make you an instant contender, but it gives you one more year of value add.

    There are other possibilities, but in any event, most of what we do by this time next week will give us a much bigger view of our strategy and to some degree, the identity we are trying to achieve. AlI I hope in the end is that Paton and Elway give us a positive glimpse about the future, and their ability to make us as competitive as can be.

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  • Siberian Bronco
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    I hope in this draft to see M Parsons and another LB.i hope to see the RB from Clemson Travis.three off.lineman that turn into the best off.line in football.this is the team I live and die with 24/7 along with my Sooners.i hope at the end of the year, we are talking about Drew Lock is a Boss.we forget about Melvin Gordon,and talking about Travis at RB.can't wait to see Courtland KJ and Tim tearing the AFC West and the rest up.Parsons and another good LB sticking it to the team in kc dressed in those Ronald McDonald uniforms, just like Tampa Bay did.

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    he can be "baphling"......
    Very good.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post


    True. He won't show up until "draft - FA action" takes place. He has learned (maybe) to keep quiet and not repeat another gaff like when he basically guaranteed in March per "his source" that Dolt QB Tyrod Taylor would be signed by the Broncos. I'm sure he still has a nasty residual taste of crow in his large mouth.
    he can be "baphling"......

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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post

    baph won't drop by in the interim to reveal any of his true feelings about what The Broncos should do, because then he can't attack those same transactions when they happen. He's playing it safe. He keeps his cards way too close to the vest....way too close




    True. He won't show up until "draft - FA action" takes place. He has learned (maybe) to keep quiet and not repeat another gaff like when he basically guaranteed in March per "his source" that Dolt QB Tyrod Taylor would be signed by the Broncos. I'm sure he still has a nasty residual taste of crow in his large mouth.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by jazzbodog View Post

    Yep, we are all waiting anxiously for 29 April to arrive. I'm also looking forward to this forum to light up like it hasn't for a very long time.

    Hang on for some "thread posting madness." or or

    Also looking forward for "Sparkler baph" to show up and condemn what the Broncos did wrong and what the Dolts did perfectly on 04-29 - 05-01.
    baph won't drop by in the interim to reveal any of his true feelings about what The Broncos should do, because then he can't attack those same transactions when they happen. He's playing it safe. He keeps his cards way too close to the vest....way too close





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  • jazzbodog
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    Originally posted by CanDB View Post
    Boy are we lucky! We are only a couple of weeks from knowing our team identity.....according to the thread starter.

    Yep, we are all waiting anxiously for 29 April to arrive. I'm also looking forward to this forum to light up like it hasn't for a very long time.

    Hang on for some "thread posting madness." or or

    Also looking forward for "Sparkler baph" to show up and condemn what the Broncos did wrong and what the Dolts did perfectly on 04-29 - 05-01.

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  • CanDB
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    Boy are we lucky! We are only a couple of weeks from knowing our team identity.....according to the thread starter.

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  • BroncosRockdaRockies
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    Great thread! I am at the point where the personnel turnover rate is to often. I personally just want to see these guys begin off season without feeling like job is jeopardy. When people work together it creates a cohesiveness that we really need. Guys need to be on same page.

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by Hadez View Post
    I feel good about the team right now but rightfully so for a team who has missed the playoffs 5 years there are still some questions.

    We need to add a Safety still on defense. We also need a better ILB imo. There is a chance Strnad can fill a need. Problem with having one LB good vs run and one LB good vs pass is it gives good offenses a cue at what to audible. It would be better if we had one good ILB.

    There are a few injury concerns on the defense in general besides Strnad. Outside of CB every other position on the defense will have significant drop off if there is an injury. I think the DL may be in best shape beside CB in terms of depth. We really need our 2 OLB to play most of the games in 2021...we are due.

    Besides not really showing they have done it in the past the offense is imo setup to perform well in 2021. OL may be the best it has been going into a season in decades. I get the PM years had upside but I think that had as much to do with PM as it did with the OL. WR depth is probably the best on the team. TE depth seems to be coming around. We probably need to add another RB.

    Not going to discuss QB here....there are probably more posts about the QB than all the other posts combined right now. With the feelings on the QB talking about it here will just turn this thread into another QB thread imo
    Originally posted by FR Tim View Post
    The obvious answer is the QB issue. How the Broncos choose to handle Lock or another starter will define the team and season.

    Will the trade or draft another QB? Or show some confidence in a developing Lock?

    Until the FO and coaches reveal how they are solving this riddle it is tough if not impossible to speculate. Just too many variables.
    Interesting back to back comments. Both relevant.

    I do agree that QB posts are everywhere, and at times, are overly repetitive (what else is new on a MB?). It happens, and usually because it is a very hot topic. BUT, like the other quoted post relates, this is sort of the elephant in the room, no matter how we try to walk around it. It impacts FA, The Draft and so forth. And the fact we were looking at Stafford (per reports), makes me believe that this is far from settled. And that's why I agree with the view that until we see The Draft unfold, and all other options disappear, we don't know what other QB deviations are coming, and who will start, and who looks like the long term leader.

    The example of trading up for a QB is one of the most compelling and concerning simultaneously. Say we move up more than a spot or two.....it will cost us big in draft capital. Think of the talented non QBs we will miss out on. Conversely, and this is why I was hoping for a Watson, and before FA lost loads of value. Settle the leadership position and then fill gaps accordingly. Whereas we seem to be back to, fill gaps/upgrade, but unfortunately keep on looking for a QB.
    Last edited by CanDB; 03-21-2021, 08:48 AM.

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  • FR Tim
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    The obvious answer is the QB issue. How the Broncos choose to handle Lock or another starter will define the team and season.

    Will the trade or draft another QB? Or show some confidence in a developing Lock?

    Until the FO and coaches reveal how they are solving this riddle it is tough if not impossible to speculate. Just too many variables.

    Apologies, I saw the post about leaving QB out of this discussion after I posted.

    Overall the roster needs upgrading. As was stated, depth is an issue at several positions.

    I would like to see some immediate upgrades at ILB, RB and S. Broncos need a dynamic ILB that can cover. Either Parsons or Cox would bring a smile to my face from this draft . Adding a RB to push Gordon ( if not replace him as RB1) would be ideal.

    They also need some quality depth at OT. To prepare for James and a swing OT to replace Wilkerson.

    Still a lot of moving pieces to be filled before we will know “who” this team is.
    Last edited by FR Tim; 03-21-2021, 08:50 AM.

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  • Hadez
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    I feel good about the team right now but rightfully so for a team who has missed the playoffs 5 years there are still some questions.

    We need to add a Safety still on defense. We also need a better ILB imo. There is a chance Strnad can fill a need. Problem with having one LB good vs run and one LB good vs pass is it gives good offenses a cue at what to audible. It would be better if we had one good ILB.

    There are a few injury concerns on the defense in general besides Strnad. Outside of CB every other position on the defense will have significant drop off if there is an injury. I think the DL may be in best shape beside CB in terms of depth. We really need our 2 OLB to play most of the games in 2021...we are due.

    Besides not really showing they have done it in the past the offense is imo setup to perform well in 2021. OL may be the best it has been going into a season in decades. I get the PM years had upside but I think that had as much to do with PM as it did with the OL. WR depth is probably the best on the team. TE depth seems to be coming around. We probably need to add another RB.

    Not going to discuss QB here....there are probably more posts about the QB than all the other posts combined right now. With the feelings on the QB talking about it here will just turn this thread into another QB thread imo

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  • CanDB
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    I actually see some team identity light at the end of the tunnel, but for one thing.....QB, but I digress.

    Clearly D is being addressed and with some gusto! Based on what we know today, we start the season with core players Chubb, Miller, Harris and Simmons, which is reassuring given what we was being discussed since last season. It appears that no deal will be made that will alter them all from being here.

    And with Fuller - an All Pro and super reliable player, along with Darby - a guy with juice and skill, we can safely say that The D is looking pretty darn good already, and we haven't completed FA or The Draft. If I was to describe this group based on what we know now, it is at minimum "competitive", and with some potential additions, I might go further with the D accolades. I still say go hard in The Draft....a starter, maybe two, and much needed depth. For me, another Dback (or two), an ILB, Edge, and Interior lineman.

    As for O, our identity could be loosely described at this point, but it still needs QB definition. The odds of another QB coming prior to the draft are extremely low now. The odds of a drafted QB are much higher than before. The question for me, if I was a betting man, do they draft in round one or not? That's where this resides for me.

    So, if I am correct about QB, we are starting this season with a young leader...likely Lock. We have the nucleus of the same O overall, other than we've lost Lindsay, a heart and soul guy, but we will have Sutton back, which is encouraging. So the identity I see, today, is potentially a balanced approach, with some ability to stretch the field.

    No doubt for many of us that RB and Oline will be addressed in The Draft. Neither position needs to be filled in round one, or even two. Backs can be found! The question for me is whether we go Oline earlier than anticipated. This may come back to the QB draft question....round one or later? Because if we hold off a round or more at QB, we may see a BPA Oliner fall into our laps at 9. Same goes for almost any position. That's the beauty of high draft picks!

    I can also see us trading back, and hopefully securing an additional quality player that can help us on either side of the ball.

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    So no, not quite there yet....but some excellent moves in the right direction. I think it still comes down to that lingering QB situation and whether or not we draft one, and whether or not it's an early selection. Lets not forget that if we covet one of the QBs and decide to move up, that will diminish our selection capabilities potentially on both sides of the ball.
    Last edited by CanDB; 03-21-2021, 08:25 AM.

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  • CanDB
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    I meant to add.....each year we come together, assess the team - strengths/weaknesses, and formulate our strategies....partly influenced by what experts are talking about, rumours, etc.

    I find that some folks are quick to gauge the landscape, and hardly differ on their vision, from early postseason to the end of the draft. It's a lot to do with research, analytical wherewithal, filtering of new information, and understanding of the game and the team.

    BUT...I almost always see a trend, that few of us will come close to predicting the players/positions The Broncos chose in The Draft, and in FA. Definitely not in the order they are taken. And yet, we seem to be onto something til the point of selection.

    Which goes to show that the brass has a different vision, and different strategies...more often than one would think. Occasionally we align pretty closely, but this game is very complex, and how you build a team within the confines of a cap situation, year after year, is not for the week of heart. And how you get to the end of the journey - a SB Championship, may take many turns, and even some significant route changes. The trick is to keep that Championship vision in your horizon, and keep at it, learn from it, and then go get it!!

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  • CanDB
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    Originally posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    I honestly don't think we will know the true vision of Paton's until 2022, since a lot of our high-priced vets are FAs then-- and we will need to start extending our young talent. Roster flexibility will be at an all-time high with guys like Von, KJax, Gordon, Lindsay, Callahan, Johnson, and even James potentially being moved on from then.

    I digress... come May 1st, I realistically think that this team will be much, much better defensively (on paper, of course). I think this offseason is an urgent, prime opportunity to further shape this defense into Fangio's vision-- especially since he is on the proverbial hot seat after two seasons. I could see FA signings or draft selections at every level of the defense-- CB, LB, DL, EDGE, and S in that order of importance. Barring a huge move at QB, I think the offense will remain largely unchanged-- which isn't a bad thing if everyone continues to develop and get healthy.

    Between the start of FA and the end of the draft, it tends to get dicey on social media and forums alike-- but at the end of the day, I support the Broncos through and through... In Paton I Trust . This feels like the calm before the storm, so buckle up for a wild ride these next two months.
    Good stuff! I can be a broken record, but beyond QB considerations, it's almost all D to me this offseason. We've touched on it in other threads, but I can see on Oliner and maybe a mid round back, but overall this is D Time!!! So maybe not as much about identity, rather an infusion of new and maybe a little old blood, to get things revved up again. I've seen a CB and Safety in our first 2 selections, in some mock drafts, and that would be exciting! I would love Parsons at 9, but not a big deal.

    So a wait and see on O (unless we land a big fish at QB) and a load of love to D....making us a top 10, maybe top 5 group by year end.

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