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  • #61
    Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post


    I suppose I understand what you’re saying. I think the coaching staff believes TB will win more games because he is the safer bet. Fans who disagree believe Lock’s upside and potential would win more games. That’s why it’s called a bet. You make your decision based on perceived risk/reward. Many fans would rather take the high risk with potentially higher reward. The coaching staff would rather take the lower risk bet.

    I really don’t think there’s a conflict in logic. Just a conflict on what they believe would pay off.
    Well, if we call it a bet, I am hoping the decision-makers win this one.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by samparnell View Post

      Well, a great defense (especially in the red zone), a balanced offense that can run the clock and a great placekicker could be an effective formula especially when opponents fall behind and face Denver's pass rush and Secondary to try and catch up. Now if we could get Corey Bojorquez as our Punter ...
      All true. I think that’s what the coaching staff is banking on. We’ll see how well Teddy provides efficient, ball control offense. Like I’ve said, I’m rooting for the best. It will be interesting to watch it all unfold this season.
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      • #63
        Originally posted by CanDB View Post

        Well, if we call it a bet, I am hoping the decision-makers win this one.
        Me too. I’be been on the commit to a young QB camp. Still, the franchise insists on the vet FA QB strategy.

        Though my preference would have been for Lock to start, it’s not up to me and I fully acknowledge that he simply did not do enough to win the job.

        I’m definitely ready for this team to turn it around. If we can do it with Teddy, great.
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        • #64
          Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post

          Me too. I’be been on the commit to a young QB camp. Still, the franchise insists on the vet FA QB strategy.

          Though my preference would have been for Lock to start, it’s not up to me and I fully acknowledge that he simply did not do enough to win the job.

          I’m definitely ready for this team to turn it around. If we can do it with Teddy, great.
          As I reread my last response I want to clarify....I hope the decision-makers win this bet otherwise that means we have probably had a rough start to the season with no guarantees. I'd rather have 2 decent QBs than just 1, and in this case, maybe none.

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          • #65
            Originally posted by samparnell View Post

            Think McManus is pretty good. Stout defense, rushing attack and good placekicker travel well.
            I was trying to understand if you meant that we have a strong D, good rushing attack and a "great" kicker. I think McManus is good, but not great.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by CanDB View Post

              As I reread my last response I want to clarify....I hope the decision-makers win this bet otherwise that means we have probably had a rough start to the season with no guarantees. I'd rather have 2 decent QBs than just 1, and in this case, maybe none.
              I understood what you were saying. I agree. I’m just playing devil’s advocate.
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              • #67
                Originally posted by RocketArm006 View Post


                I suppose I understand what you’re saying. I think the coaching staff believes TB will win more games because he is the safer bet. Fans who disagree believe Lock’s upside and potential would win more games. That’s why it’s called a bet. You make your decision based on perceived risk/reward. Many fans would rather take the high risk with potentially higher reward. The coaching staff would rather take the lower risk bet.

                I really don’t think there’s a conflict in logic. Just a conflict on what they believe would pay off.
                In 2020 Denver ranked 32nd in the league in turnovers lost. That includes 18 fumbles lost which ranked 18th. The total number of fumbles was 23 and Lock had eight of them; Gordon had 4, Hamler, Spencer and Jeudy had 2 each and Rypien, Martin and Hamilton fumbled once.

                Denver ranked 32nd in interceptions thrown with 23 of which 15 were thrown by Drew, who had 13 starts.

                In contrast, Carolina ranked 17th in the league in turnovers lost. That includes 5 fumbles lost which ranked 2nd. The total number of fumbles was 13 and Bridgewater had six of them; seven other players had one each.

                Carolina ranked 26th in interceptions thrown with 16 of which 11 were thrown by Teddy, who had 15 starts.

                Denver was 5-11 and was outscored 446 to 323. They lost six games by a TD or less. In those games Denver committed eight turnovers of which six were on Drew (5 INT, 1 FL) Four of Denver's five victories were won by a TD or less. In those games Denver committed six turnovers of which five were on Drew (4 INT, 1 FL)

                At Carolina Drew fumbled twice and lost one, but threw four TD passes. That could be used as an example of risk/reward. In that game Carolina committed no turnovers and had three rushing TDs (one of which was Teddy) and kicked two FGs. Denver also had a PR for TD by Spencer; McManus missed two XPAs and a 2 XPA was an incomplete pass.

                Carolina was 5-11 and was outscored 402 to 350. They lost six games by a TD or less. In those games Carolina committed four turnovers of which three were on Teddy (3 INT) Three of Carolina's five victories were won by a TD or less. In those games Carolina committed two turnovers all on Teddy (1 INT, 1 FL)

                Another area besides errors is missed opportunities. One way to account for that is completion % and ypa. In 2020 Drew was 57.3% completion and 6.6 ypa. Teddy was 69.1 completion and 7.6 ypa. 2020 Teddy may have been worse than 2019 Teddy, but it was better than 2020 Drew.

                Denver's offensive coaching staff has returned intact from 2020. They know Drew well and they spent last season trying to coach him out of what they consider bad habits as well as film study in which they are trying to get him to see the field and the defense better which should lead to better decision making. They have all said that Drew has improved. The turnover issue from 2020 is a major concern and has a direct effect on wins and losses. Have no reason to believe that the preseason reps/snaps by Drew and Teddy were other than equal and fair. I believe the coaching staff when they say it was a close comparison and a difficult decision.

                Sounds like Denver wants to be plus in the turnovers. They expect that their defense will produce more and their offense won't commit nearly as many as last year for a net positive in turnover differential. Seems as if they plan to run a balanced offense with a commitment to the rushing attack which should help them win TOP. If they get enough of a lead that an opponent must pass to catch up, it will play into what should be a Denver strength in pass defense.

                They had to choose one or the other QB and Teddy gets the start. It's a longer season now and much can happen. Have no doubt Drew will be ready, if needed. Just about time to play some ball!
                "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by samparnell View Post

                  In 2020 Denver ranked 32nd in the league in turnovers lost. That includes 18 fumbles lost which ranked 18th. The total number of fumbles was 23 and Lock had eight of them; Gordon had 4, Hamler, Spencer and Jeudy had 2 each and Rypien, Martin and Hamilton fumbled once.

                  Denver ranked 32nd in interceptions thrown with 23 of which 15 were thrown by Drew, who had 13 starts.

                  In contrast, Carolina ranked 17th in the league in turnovers lost. That includes 5 fumbles lost which ranked 2nd. The total number of fumbles was 13 and Bridgewater had six of them; seven other players had one each.

                  Carolina ranked 26th in interceptions thrown with 16 of which 11 were thrown by Teddy, who had 15 starts.

                  Denver was 5-11 and was outscored 446 to 323. They lost six games by a TD or less. In those games Denver committed eight turnovers of which six were on Drew (5 INT, 1 FL) Four of Denver's five victories were won by a TD or less. In those games Denver committed six turnovers of which five were on Drew (4 INT, 1 FL)

                  At Carolina Drew fumbled twice and lost one, but threw four TD passes. That could be used as an example of risk/reward. In that game Carolina committed no turnovers and had three rushing TDs (one of which was Teddy) and kicked two FGs. Denver also had a PR for TD by Spencer; McManus missed two XPAs and a 2 XPA was an incomplete pass.

                  Carolina was 5-11 and was outscored 402 to 350. They lost six games by a TD or less. In those games Carolina committed four turnovers of which three were on Teddy (3 INT) Three of Carolina's five victories were won by a TD or less. In those games Carolina committed two turnovers all on Teddy (1 INT, 1 FL)

                  Another area besides errors is missed opportunities. One way to account for that is completion % and ypa. In 2020 Drew was 57.3% completion and 6.6 ypa. Teddy was 69.1 completion and 7.6 ypa. 2020 Teddy may have been worse than 2019 Teddy, but it was better than 2020 Drew.

                  Denver's offensive coaching staff has returned intact from 2020. They know Drew well and they spent last season trying to coach him out of what they consider bad habits as well as film study in which they are trying to get him to see the field and the defense better which should lead to better decision making. They have all said that Drew has improved. The turnover issue from 2020 is a major concern and has a direct effect on wins and losses. Have no reason to believe that the preseason reps/snaps by Drew and Teddy were other than equal and fair. I believe the coaching staff when they say it was a close comparison and a difficult decision.

                  Sounds like Denver wants to be plus in the turnovers. They expect that their defense will produce more and their offense won't commit nearly as many as last year for a net positive in turnover differential. Seems as if they plan to run a balanced offense with a commitment to the rushing attack which should help them win TOP. If they get enough of a lead that an opponent must pass to catch up, it will play into what should be a Denver strength in pass defense.

                  They had to choose one or the other QB and Teddy gets the start. It's a longer season now and much can happen. Have no doubt Drew will be ready, if needed. Just about time to play some ball!
                  Ok. Don’t disagree with any of that. I’m not an anti-Teddy guy by any means. I was just making an observation on the two different points of view. I fully expect and hope to see efficient ball control and good defense.
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                  • #69
                    If we don’t win the first 3 games I’m saying it’s a losing season

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                    • #70
                      I’ll go with 9 wins 7 losses

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by $Broncos$ View Post
                        I’ll go with 9 wins 7 losses
                        So what about game 17?
                        My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                        You Mad Bro?
                        Don’t Be A Mean Girl

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                        • #72
                          13-4 revised.

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                          • #73
                            9-8 taking into account the Broncos have an extra home game this year.

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                            • #74
                              12-5... Too many people sleeping on this team
                              defense is going to be lights out and if the offense just has half the turnovers (which was mostly lock)of a year ago...look out
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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by BroncosFanInPA View Post
                                12-5... Too many people sleeping on this team
                                defense is going to be lights out and if the offense just has half the turnovers (which was mostly lock)of a year ago...look out
                                Am thinking along similar lines. Looking at the schedule and barring significant unforeseen circumstances, think the floor is eight wins and the ceiling is fourteen. So, split the difference and it's eleven.

                                Denver led the league in turnovers lost last year. Major improvement in that area, a balanced offense, top five defense and quality depth at most positions in a longer season makes me think eleven or twelve wins is likely, maybe more if the funny shaped ball bounces Denver's way.
                                "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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